Up for Debate: Predators reach end of road

Tuesday, May 8, 2012 at 2:15am

With the Nashville Predators' season over, how do you rate their season overall? In hindsight, how do you rate their trade deadline moves as well as the decision to sit Alexander Radulov and Andrei Kostitsyn for disciplinary reasons and then again in Game 4? Can the organization hope to match the level of skill they had this year next season?

115 Comments on this post:

By: dargent7 on 5/8/12 at 4:03

Sitting any hockey player for "disciplinary reasons" is insane.
The coach should be sitting out the next season. He lost.
You have any idea how much money Nashville lost loosing this quickly?
Godzillians.

By: Loner on 5/8/12 at 4:51

Good morning, Jock City, Tennessee.

My condolences on the heartbreak you must all be enduring at this tragic and sorrowful time...as for the Up For Debate questions, frankly my dears...I do not give a puck....no offense, but professional sports franchises and their cozy relationships with bread & circus governance turn me off...I'm just old fashioned in this regard....I do not see where subsidizing professional athletes is within the bona fide purview of democratic governance.

Go ahead, let the name-calling begin....

By: gdiafante on 5/8/12 at 5:12

Sitting any hockey player for "disciplinary reasons" is insane.
The coach should be sitting out the next season. He lost.
You have any idea how much money Nashville lost loosing this quickly?
integrity.

Obviously, it didn't help having Rads and AK back, we only got one goal. Here's novel idea...Phoenix is a better team. Congratulations to the Coyotes.

By: gdiafante on 5/8/12 at 5:17

Ok Loner. When you stop using things that are fully, partially or minutely subsidized by the government (and that would include anything like clothes, cars, food, leisure or even brass instruments), then you can bitch about it.

By: dargent7 on 5/8/12 at 5:20

What did these two guys do, anyway? Break curfew?
Like I said before, growing up in Detroit with the likes of Gordie Howe, Bob Probert, Denny McClain (sorry, wrong sport), ...hockey players are animals.
Name another sport where you can fight, during game time, anytime, and get just a 5 minute penalty?
Tennis? Golf? Lacrosse? Polo?
Bottom line is about 1,000 people lost their jobs because these sissies lost.

By: dargent7 on 5/8/12 at 5:26

I forgot Al Kaline and Mickey Lolich..Norm Cash, Bill Freehan, Kirk Gibson....
Detroit wasn't that bad a garbage dump I remember it as.

By: gdiafante on 5/8/12 at 5:45

Really Darge? So, if they would have won it all, would you have complained about that too, stating that they could have at least made sure every series went 7 games so those 1000 people kept their jobs?

That's a yogi-like argument.

By: Moonglow1 on 5/8/12 at 5:58

Moonglow1: The Predators could not get by Smith. I'm not sure why. Is he that much better than Rinne?

By: gdiafante on 5/8/12 at 6:01

No, he's not Moonglow, he's just on a roll. Every year there's one team that gets on a roll, this year it's Phoenix...though you could argue for L.A. too...knocking off the 1 and 2 seeds consecutively, that's impressive.

By: Rasputin72 on 5/8/12 at 6:02

Nashville having a ice hockey team is perhaps one of the biggest political boondoggles this city has ever seen. Never mind the the Titans,at least Bud Adams is making money and 68,000 people show up.

The ice hockey team has lost 60 million dollars in the last five years with attendence almost at capacity. The city is subsidizing 50 or so merchants and less than 9000 Davidson County residents as well as the owners. A tax increase of 15% is going to be put through. If the money is spent as friviously as the money for ice hockey God help the Davidson County taxpayers.

The owners must raise the ticket prices or Karl Dean has to cough up more money. Now remember this THE NASHVILLE ICE HOCKEY TEAM LOST TO THE TEAM FROM PHOENIX WHICH NO ONE IN PHOENIX WANTS ANYTHING TO DO WITH FINANCIALLY. The leagus (NHL) owns this franchise because no one wants the financial burden of accepting cost versus performance.

No other sport has as many fanatics and I mean fanatics as ice hockey. The owners of the Nashville ice hockey team must dismantle the prowess of the team,raise prices or settle for a well run financial franchise and bottom dweller like the Columbus team.

The next nine months are going to be interesting to watch. We will all be surprised by what is coming. When it comes to folly no one can predict what will happen next.

I always close these comments by stating that families with young children and a modest but sufficient income should exit this county immediately if not sooner.

By: gdiafante on 5/8/12 at 6:12

Wrong, Raspy. I guess the thin air from your throne is affecting your arguments. First, the team hasn't been near capacity the last five years. Maybe the last two...I know this year they averaged over 16K per game and set attendance records. But over the last five years? Nope.

The NHL has announced that someone bought the Coyotes. The reason no one wanted Phoenix is because of the location of the arena and the lease the city negotiated, which is horrible for the team. That is a bad business model, things will have to be changed.

The Preds payroll is consistently hovering either around the cap floor or in the lower half. Poile (the GM) has managed to field a competitive, playoff caliber team the past few years on fumes. I dare say most of the income for the owners comes from the arena, which is top tier in the nation. Are you saying that Metro can run the arena better? Laughable.

And ask the business owners downtown if having 40+ games a year is a burden.

By: govskeptic on 5/8/12 at 6:15

For some reasons, my dreams have never seen a Stanley Cup on
anything but a short visit through Nashville! Now comes the cry from
our famous sports writers and lower Broad bar owners: "Wait until
next year!" Please?

By: Captain Nemo on 5/8/12 at 6:30

Good morning all!

It was a great season, but life goes on. The team has shown improvement over the years and I’m sure they will continue to do so.

By: Loner on 5/8/12 at 6:32

So, the Predators turned out to be prey...Coyote meat....that's the law of the jungle...eat or be eaten....hopefully their last meal will give the Coyotes diarrhea...poetic justice for the heartless killers....let them sh*t themselves out of the playoffs!

There...is that graphic enough?

By: Captain Nemo on 5/8/12 at 6:34

Nice retort there gdia. Thin air from the throne. LOL

By: Moonglow1 on 5/8/12 at 6:35

Moonglow1: I thought the Arena was losing money because of mismanagement by the Sommet Group who was indicted for fraud. Every hockey game I've attended (23+) is at full capacity: 17,000 fans.

By: Captain Nemo on 5/8/12 at 6:35

I don't understand it Loner. lol

By: Captain Nemo on 5/8/12 at 6:38

By: Rasputin72 on 5/7/12 at 8:11
I have been an officer of a Fortune 500 company.

budlight as been a door greeter at Wal-Mart too, this does not impress us.

By: Rasputin72 on 5/8/12 at 6:42

Captain Nemo.....I am not trying to impress you. I am trying to challenge your bias. The world you live in is not much bigger than a pinhead.

By: Captain Nemo on 5/8/12 at 6:44

gov-

The Stanley Cup may not be one of your dreams, that does not make any less for the city overall. When it comes to the city, we will all benefit from it. This means you too.

By: yogiman on 5/8/12 at 6:51

There are things called contracts and ethics, dargent7. You make an agreement, you follow it.

You're arguing it as it okay to sign a contract for a financial fee then its okay to say to hell with that contract, I'll do what I want? BS, those men got what they deserved.

If they are kept on the team, maybe it taught them a lesson for next year.

And just wondering, what do their teammates think of them?

By: Captain Nemo on 5/8/12 at 6:51

Rasputin-

Well when you flaunt your so-call wealth around like you have so often, you shouldn’t go around talking about others bias.

By: gdiafante on 5/8/12 at 6:52

You're right, moonglow. The Sommet Group set back the franchise a few years.

By: Captain Nemo on 5/8/12 at 6:55

By: yogiman on 5/4/12 at 4:25

Mike,
The first war I remember our nation being in is WWII. And I hate to tell you this, but we've been in one war after another in the past 7 decades.

Has anyone notice that when yogi makes a true statement, it is something that everyone knows as a fact and he words it to sound as if he thought of it all by himself.

By: budlight on 5/8/12 at 6:55

Of course the CP does not want you to weigh in on how you feel about Karl Dean sending emails to people to "talk to their neighbors" about him raising taxes and why it's a good thing.

So will one of you geniuses and/or financial wizards tell me why it's a good thing for the Dean to raise our property taxes. And Oh yeah, why this state needs to collect taxes for purchases you all made on Amazon last year. I only spent $18 with them, do I owe some State tax on that?

DEAN go away with your new property tax to a deserted island and live there.

By: Captain Nemo on 5/8/12 at 6:57

BTW Rasputin, I was away in North Carolina yesterday on business. My world is bigger than a pinhead.

By: dargent7 on 5/8/12 at 6:57

Let me break it down for you guys:
Mike Smith is the size of a Buick.... Electra 225 to be exact.
He's 6'4" w/o pads, gloves, helmet. Add in another 100#'s when suited up.
Renne is from Finland. My 92 year old grandmother is bigger.
Take a look at today's The Tennessean, front page.
Preds Norkquist is, "having words" with Mike Smith.
Why would anyone need to "have words" with an opposing team's goalie?
No discipline. Idiotic management. Stupid coaching.
You simply do not piss off a goalie. You'll loose. Which they did.

By: Rasputin72 on 5/8/12 at 7:00

Captain Nemo.....Perhaps you would like to present your credentials?

By: yogiman on 5/8/12 at 7:01

How is your argument a yogi like argument, gdiafante? As in all sports, you have winners and losers, so let's consider Nashville won that title; would dargent7 have been disappointed that 1000 people lost their jobs in Phoenix?

I doubt it, but what would have been his argument if he was living in Phoenix?

By: bfra on 5/8/12 at 7:01

Nemo - Rasputin's world, is probably no bigger than the computer room at the public library!

By: gdiafante on 5/8/12 at 7:01

Darge, it's Hornqvist...Peks is 6'5" w/o pads. Players jaw all the time.

The Predators problem, not just with this series, is that they can't hit the net. For instance, Hornqvist had 12 shots on goal in game 4, only 5 were actually ones that could have scored, and only 1-2 required Smith to actually make a difficult save.

We need more skill. We though Rads was it. We were wrong.

By: Captain Nemo on 5/8/12 at 7:03

I’m not the one flaunting my credentials Rasputin.

By: Captain Nemo on 5/8/12 at 7:05

LOL bfra

By: BenDover on 5/8/12 at 7:05

Mike Smith was fantastic yesterday. Rinne lost his earlier edge. Call it biorhythms. Timing sucks though.

By: dargent7 on 5/8/12 at 7:08

gD @ 6:45am...
All I'm saying is the revenue from a Preds win translates into thousands of dollars for the Nashville economy. Now, losing, the Arena is shut down until Motley Cru and Poison comes to town in Sept.
So, now what? Until the CMA Awards all we have to is sit around and play with our Wangs.

By: gdiafante on 5/8/12 at 7:09

It's "yogi-like" because it makes no sense. I've been watching hockey for over 30 years, I've never heard anyone complain about the arena/team workers being out of work when a team is eliminated.

Not even the employees...see, it's because (1) many are employeed by the arena, which still holds events when the Preds don't play, (2) the team employees still have their job...unless you think a professional sports franchise only works during the season.

Ridiculous.

By: Rasputin72 on 5/8/12 at 7:09

Captain Nemo.....Forgive me. In the world I live one must present his credentials in order to be heard.

By: Rasputin72 on 5/8/12 at 7:09

Captain Nemo.....Forgive me. In the world I live one must present his credentials in order to be heard.

By: dargent7 on 5/8/12 at 7:11

Ok, you got me...I don't know a Hornquist from a ventriloquist.
But, look at that front page photo...Mike Smith is bigger than a Caddilac Escalade.
Navy SEALs run for cover when he's on the ice.

By: gdiafante on 5/8/12 at 7:13

He's big, for sure. He's also on a roll. But there's nothing in his career to say that he's actually this good. He's simply on a roll, as is the entire Coyote team. It happens.

Like Ben said, bad timing.

By: slacker on 5/8/12 at 7:18

Well... look at the bright side. Nashville avoided the riot that always occurs during the Stanley cup victory celebration. The revelers would probably have flipped over the red roller coaster track, destroyed the rock climbing wall, and hassled the homeless people, driving them to drink.

By: dargent7 on 5/8/12 at 7:19

gD: @ 8:09am
You don't know what the f*** you're talking about.
If the Preds won, Game 6 would of been here, in Nashville.
That's a sold out crowd of 28,000. The gate reciepts alone is in the thousands.
Then you have the concessions, bartenders, sports memorbilia, nachos, hot dogs, beers, ...
Then, when the drunkards leave the arena/ stadium, they migrate to the adjoining bars to get further shit-faced.
Ask Tootsies, Ripy's, et.al, if they like that the Preds were eliminated.
Even the Hooters girls were pissed off. And you know it takes for that to happen.

By: dargent7 on 5/8/12 at 7:20

"He's big, for sure..." Now what? Size doesn't matter? Tell that to my 3 ex-wives.

By: Captain Nemo on 5/8/12 at 7:29

Rasputin, are you telling that all of us must give our credentials in order to speak with his Holiness, The great and powerful Rasputin? LOL

All you have done so far has spun us a story of your fame/wealth and still has not said nothing. So if you don’t want to speak to me that is your business. However I will continue to point out your flaws and egotistical post.

By: gdiafante on 5/8/12 at 7:30

The arena only holds 17K, darge...I doubt they fit in an extra 11K...unless the walls are spandex...lol

Yeah, I'm sure the coach and players are kicking themselves about the lost revenue. Get real.

By: BenDover on 5/8/12 at 7:35

I usually try not to live in the past but the lone one called me out last night using the term "utter hogwash" and accusing me of pulling numbers out of my @$$. Well I admit to a little rectal cogitation on the rough number but as it turns out the real numbers are very close to mark... certainly not in the 'hogwash' realm.

Do the numbers surprise you Loner?

By: BenDover on 5/7/12 at 6:27

You see... while everyone is so distracted by their own predispositions about convention centers or gay marriage or whatever; the federal government is quietly adding around $15,000 every year for every American family onto our tax tab (in addition to what we already pay). How many years can every family in the country continue to be another $15,000 in the red and our country still survive this debacle? The $400 a year hit on property tax is a pain in the @$$ but, a little perspective here people.

By: Loner on 5/7/12 at 6:49

I'm back from the Monday Protest gig...lots of thumbs up and horn honking...the message is getting through: HOLY WARS SUCK.

I read Ben's 6:27 post and I want to see a credible source on his claim:
".... the federal government is quietly adding around $15,000 every year for every American family onto our tax tab (in addition to what we already pay)."

Let's see, in the 3 1/2 years under Obama, (3.5 X $15,000), that would come to about $52,500 per family in additional federal taxation under this president....utter hogwash, I dare say....Ben Dover pulled that number out of his @$$?

By: BenDover on 5/7/12 at 7:33

I pulled round numbers thinking about 100,000,000 families and about $1,500,000,000,000 a year in deficits, loner. The deficits are on mark (this not even accounting for the almost half trillion in TARP repayments they blew) but the number of households is a little higher at 114,235,996.

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.htmlhttp://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html

So given that, around $13,134.35 per year per household in the red. Does that make you feel any better old friend?

I'm not too bad at that Math stuff... I have a degree in it actually. So if you factor in the magic disappearing TARP repayments it does get us up to around the $52K per family that you extrapolated.

All the while America was proving it wasn't racist, I guess it should have unbiasedly listened to what this man was saying he'd do to the country. Sadly Rush's commentary, "I hope he fails". did not come true. We are living the Obama dream of 'fairness' just as he presented it to anyone who was listening. Sadly few of us were listening.

By: Captain Nemo on 5/8/12 at 7:41

That is noting Ben

By: yogiman on 5/4/12 at 4:25

War is hell, and you can ask any veteran involved in one on that matter. But war is, regrettably, a major use for the control of the world's population.

Yet this clown will call birth control killing and that war is good for your health. LOL

By: dargent7 on 5/8/12 at 7:41

I could "google" it, but it's a waste of time. I think Bridgestone holds 18,000.
In any event, the revenue soars when "we win".
There were two more semi-finals, another "Best of Seven" if we won this one.
Then there's the Stanley Cup. People would be flying in from all over America if we were in the Stanley Cup. Nashville would be a zoo.
You don'r care about the waitresses at Hooters?
So, don't tell me "revenue" is a moot point to a sports team, winning.

By: yogiman on 5/8/12 at 7:42

gdiafante,

It perhaps makes no sense because you need a little bit of intelligence to understand what I'm posting (saying). And, of course, I understand the problem in your case.

By: Captain Nemo on 5/8/12 at 7:46

gdia-

There is no mount of intelligent that can sort out yogi’s “Braided brains.” Fuzzy unwashed at best, that one has.