Up for Debate: Rep. Cooper talks health care mandate

Thursday, April 12, 2012 at 10:05pm

What do you think of Rep. Jim Cooper's assertions regarding the U.S. Supreme Court and its consideration of the Affordable Care Act?

85 Comments on this post:

By: yogiman on 4/13/12 at 11:22

Moonglow1,

It wouldn't hurt if you had gotten just a little bit of education in that meager brain you're carrying around.

Romney was born to parents who were American citizens, both of them. His father was born in Mexico to his grandparents who were also American citizens, both of them. His grandparents moved to Mexico from Utah when the law was passed to stop a man from living with a bunch of wives that wanted to "take care of him". Mitt Romney is a natural born citizen by law.

If you had just a little bit of the intelligence you think you have you would know Barry would have jumped right into the game when Romney started coming out on top.

Now, let's look at your boy and I'll try to give you a little knowledge, if possible.

Barack Hussein Obama was born to an 18 year old American citizen. His father was a 25 year old British subject. If, and I repeat, if, he was born in America as he claims but refuses to prove, the best he could have gotten would have been dual citizenship. But if he was born in Kenya as has been strongly considered, his mother could not pass her American citizenship down to him because of her age and the laws then , thereby making simply him a British subject. Barack Obama could not be a natural born citizen which is why he has refused to show his original birth certificate, plus all of his educational records and passports.

Now, let's assume he was born in the USA. And let's assume he was born as a natural born citizen: By his autobiography, he claimed Indonesian citizenship by his stepfather adopting him so he could go to school in Indonesia.

If you could read much, you would understand once you loose your natural born citizenship status, you can never get it back, and when he became a Indonesian citizen, he lost his American citizenship. If he did repatriate, he could only become a naturalized citizen.

So what proof do you have that he regained his American citizenship..., if he ever had it?

By: brrrrk on 4/13/12 at 11:22

Who knew James was a commie too?

By: Captain Nemo on 4/13/12 at 11:22

Well I did not believe in superstition of Friday the 13th being bad luck, until now. I just found out I am going to have to work in Gordonsville this weekend.

By: brrrrk on 4/13/12 at 11:24

Captain Nemo said

"Well I did not believe in superstition of Friday the 13th being bad luck, until now. I just found out I am going to have to work in Gordonsville this weekend."

Where the men are men, and the sheep are scared.

By: yogiman on 4/13/12 at 11:28

You lucky son-of-a-gun. But I sympathize with the Gordonsvillians that's going to have to put up with your ignorance for the weekend. It'll kill their weekend pleasures..

By: yogiman on 4/13/12 at 11:32

brrrrk,

Following Obama's documented childhood you shouldn't have to be very intellectual to know he's a communist and a Muslim by nature. But I guess that leaves you out.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/13/12 at 11:48

Compare to you yogi, I’m a genius.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/13/12 at 11:50

With all our pea size brains in play, it must be insulting for yogi to be the dummy in the bunch.

Is this too much for him to understand?

By: Captain Nemo on 4/13/12 at 11:54

It will be easy to spot yogi. He will be the one watching his back and running into the side of buildings.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/13/12 at 12:07

Old yogi and his illogical brain (I call it a brain for the lack of a better word) he can not understand that Obama could not be a Muslim and a Communist, because the two are polar opposite. But then is he the Gordonsville Village Idiot.

By: yogiman on 4/13/12 at 12:07

You're right, nimrod, it's hard to understand how you got the ignorance you're exploiting.

I thought simple mindedness would show a little thinking power, but alas, it didn't happen with you.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/13/12 at 12:10

After all of this time you still can not come up with a better come back?

By: Captain Nemo on 4/13/12 at 12:12

Yogi is the dummy of us pea size brains. HA HA HA HA HA

By: Captain Nemo on 4/13/12 at 12:14

Just in case you don’t understand, yogi. You are not the smart one in the bunch. You are a less than a zero.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/13/12 at 12:17

If you don’t understand that, it means that if you had any brains at all, (which we all know that you don’t) you would become worm food. Because that is all you are good for.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/13/12 at 12:18

Have a good Friday the 13th. I know I will.

By: brrrrk on 4/13/12 at 12:51

“Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.” - Seneca

By: Captain Nemo on 4/13/12 at 1:00

Religion is a useful tool for those that would control.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/13/12 at 1:01

Religion is an excuse for those that want take responsibility for their own actions.

By: BenDover on 4/13/12 at 1:36

“Atheism turns out to be too simple. If the whole universe has no meaning, we should never have found out that it has no meaning...”

C.S. Lewis

By: brrrrk on 4/13/12 at 2:05

"The finiteness of the human understanding betrays itself on all subjects, but more especially when it contemplates such as involve infinity. What may safely be said seems to be, that the infinity of time & space forces itself on our conception, a limitation of either being inconceivable; that the mind prefers at once the idea of a self-existing cause to that of an infinite series of cause & effect, which augments, instead of avoiding difficulty; and that it finds more facility in assenting to the self-existence of an invisible cause possessing infinite power, wisdom & goodness, than to the self-existence of the universe, visibly destitute of those attributes, and which may be the effect of them. In this comparative facility of conception & belief, all philosophical reasoning on the subject must perhaps terminate." - James Madison

By: BenDover on 4/13/12 at 2:44

"Like the atrocities and disasters of Greece in the fifth century before Christ, the ruin of great nations in our century shows us the pit into which fall societies that mistake clever self-interest, or ingenious social controls, for pleasing alternatives to an oldfangled moral order." Russell Kirk

By: brrrrk on 4/13/12 at 3:23

"History, I believe furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government" - Thomas Jefferson

"In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for the protection to his own" - Thomas Jefferson

"Shake off all the fears, and servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly on her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear" - Thomas Jefferson

By: brrrrk on 4/13/12 at 3:33

BenDover said

"Like the atrocities and disasters of Greece in the fifth century before Christ, the ruin of great nations in our century shows us the pit into which fall societies that mistake clever self-interest, or ingenious social controls, for pleasing alternatives to an oldfangled moral order." Russell Kirk

Of course Kirk makes the assumption that our laws are based on Christian morality, when in fact they are based on English common law.

"For we know that the common law is that system of law which was introduced by the Saxons on their settlement in England, and altered from time to time by proper legislative authority from that time to the date of Magna Carta... This settlement took place about the middle of the fifth century. But Christianity was not introduced till the seventh century; the conversion of the first Christian king of the Heptarchy having taken place about the year 598, and that of the last about 686. Here, then, was a space of two hundred years, during which the common law was in existence, and Christianity no part of it.... If, therefore from the settlement of the Saxons to the introduction of Christianity among them, that system of religion could not be part of the common law, because they were not yet Christians, and if, having their laws from that period to the close of the common law, we are all able to find among them no such as of adoption, we may safely affirm (though contradicted by all judges and writers on earth) that Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law."- Thomas Jefferson

By: BenDover on 4/13/12 at 3:42

Kirk said nothing of Christianity in the quote I provided.

By: BenDover on 4/13/12 at 3:44

Have a nice weekend everyone.

By: Loner on 4/13/12 at 3:50

Hey kids....back online...let me try to get up to speed here...

Let me restate my view:

As a civilizing influence, organized religion is highly over-rated.

And the correlate: HOLY WARS SUCK.

As for the supernatural, the metaphysical, the spiritual, the mystical, the theological et cetera, what in the hell do I know? I'm just a hominid on a mudball...goin' round a yellow sun...what is pour earthly mission? It simply is to have fun.

By: brrrrk on 4/13/12 at 3:51

BenDover said

"Kirk said nothing of Christianity in the quote I provided."

I've read his book, The Conservative Mind.... I know Kirk.

By: Loner on 4/13/12 at 3:52

...what is our earthly mission? It simply is to have fun.

By: brrrrk on 4/13/12 at 3:54

Loner said

"...what is our earthly mission? It simply is to have fun."

John Adams was just fine with the golden rule.... works for me to.

By: Loner on 4/13/12 at 4:06

I use the Golden Rule and Murphy's Law...and the Scout Law, of course. If that fails, I just ask a woman.

As for the existential questions that have vexed mankind for millennia, all I can say is this: Shit Happens.

The odds of any of us being born is astronomical...think about it.

In my opinion, to expect an everlasting afterlife is being an arrogant and ignorant ingrate....it's selfish and greedy....we ought to be happy with this one shot at sapient life.

By: dargent7 on 4/14/12 at 4:37

Sat. 04/14:
re: "Holy Batshit!...it's Adam West, not Allen.
"yogi": In the words of Al Gore, who got busted for attended a Buddhist temple: "the legal controlling interest..."
If Obama was born in Hawai'i, as his B.C. clearly stated (you must of slep thru all of 2008 when it was all over the Internet), it doesn't matter if he changed his name from Barry to Barack and kept his middle name, Hussein.
What's the difference if he took his step dad's last name, Seranto, then changed it back?
Newt Gingrich took Gingrich from his mom's 2nd husband. He was actually born "McPherson".
And Romney's grandfather moved to Mexico to have his Mormon 4 wives, and gave birth to Mitt's dad in Mexico. How's that a "natural born citizen" to be born in Mexico?
You try to make sense, but loose the forest for the trees.

By: yogiman on 4/14/12 at 6:57

What have you been drinking, dargent7? You say "In the words of Al Gore, who got busted for attended a Buddhist temple" Did you mean [because] he attended, or did you mean 'for attending'?

[Obama's] step father's name was Soetoro, not Seranto.

It doesn't matter what Gingrich's name was when he was born if he changed his name officially. Did Soetoro officially change his name to Obama?

Both of Romney's parents were American citizens. His father was born to American citizens in Mexico and his mother's was born in the USA to parents who were American citizens . Romney was born in the USA. He is a natural born citizen.

Even if Obama was born in the USA, only one of his parents was an American citizen. The best he could claim would be dual citizenship.

Your reference to Obama's birth certificate; can't you see a document as a fake when the lines don't match, the letters don't match, different letters are shown when supposedly that document was printed on a standard typewriter.

If Obama was legally eligible for that office, why has he constantly refused to prove it when so many American citizens want to know?

By: Captain Nemo on 4/14/12 at 11:16

Even if Obama was born in the USA, only one of his parents was an American citizen. The best he could claim would be dual citizenship.

This still would make him the President. HA HA HA

By: parnell3rd on 4/15/12 at 7:33

"I was against the affordable heath care act, before I was for the affortable heath care act" Rep. Jim Cooper So the quote begs to ask, How much or what did it take to change his mind? More gov't grant money to his Alma Mater?