Up for Debate: Residential permit parking

Monday, May 20, 2013 at 1:04am

Does Metro's issuance of residential parking permits in 12South encroach on business or should residents have the right of way?

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55 Comments on this post:

By: yogiman on 5/20/13 at 5:07

The issue raises two questions: One; doesn't the residents have driveways into their own property, or do they have to park on the street?

Second; don't the businesses have parking areas (lots) for their customers or only street parking available for customers?

If it's only street parking, they aren't going to have many customers. How far would a customer want to walk to the business?

By: govskeptic on 5/20/13 at 5:19

The Planning Commission allows a great many developers of Condos, inter city
building lots, and other instances, of homes and business, to build without
concern for adequate parking. Then the traffic and parking division comes \
along picking the winners and losers, based on unknown criteria, as to who,
where, and how the parking for these same approved locations can park or
pay for these privileges. Taxpayer often bare the cost for winners the suspecting
and unsuspecting have to pay as the losers. Urban madness at it's worst.

By: Captain Nemo on 5/20/13 at 7:01

The gov has hit the nail on the head. The solution might not be in the best interest for all unless there is a monetary goal for the neighboring homes. Like buy up homes and turning them into parking lots.

By: Rocket99 on 5/20/13 at 7:22

It's a public street. I live in Metro and pay taxes. I should be able to park there. My tax money does not just pay for the area right in front of my house.

How many people want to have to worry about getting a ticket or towed because they visited a friend or business in certain areas of Metro?

What happened to the time when a business had to have X number of parking spaces for customers or they couldn't operate?

By: Loner on 5/20/13 at 7:41

Good morning, Nashville.

Must be a slow news day.

Any place calling itself, "Mafiaoza's", shouldn't need to go to court to get its way...in the old days, a few knee-caps were smashed...some houses would get torched and voila! a parking lot would appear.

Looks like the mob has gone legit?

Bunch of wusses!

By: Blanketnazi2 on 5/20/13 at 7:46

I think this is going to start happening more as the population in Metro becomes more dense. Look at Hillsboro Village. It's a nightmare to try to find parking over there during peak times. 12South used to just be residential with businesses that did not require much parking on the lots zoned for businesses. When the neighborhood gentified and zoning changed to allow restaurants parking started becoming an issue. For those not familiar with the area, it's an old neighborhood with mostly .25 acre lots and houses were built in the 1920's. Drivieways (if you have one) are small and often only accommodate 1 vehicle because you can't block the sidewalk. So, if you own two vehicles or have company you need street parking. Now all that residential parking is taken up by those patronizing the restaurants on 12South.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 5/20/13 at 7:52

Loner, there are not very many Italians in Nashville - lol!

By: Loner on 5/20/13 at 7:57

O.25 acre lots? And the driveway accommodates just one vehicle, maybe? Without guaranteed on-street parking, those residences lose a great deal of their value. This sounds like an area that should have remained strictly residential, as businesses naturally require parking space.

Razing some structures and converting the cleared areas to parking lots or mulit-level parking garages may be the long-range solution...basically, .....priorities need to be established....something's gotta go.

I have no dog in the hunt...this is my outsider's take on it.....just throwing that out there.

By: Loner on 5/20/13 at 8:05

Mingya! Not very many Italians in Nashville, you say? I had some great pizza when I visited Nashville, in 2004....as good or better than what we have around here, in NY state.

BTW, ...I was using my NYS Comedic License in my 8:41 post.

By: Loner on 5/20/13 at 8:16

Maybe the residents should all get those short "smart cars"? Should be able to get two of those buggies in the driveway.....Zone the residential area: "Smart Cars Only"....all deeds would include that covenant....problem solved.

Get Smart:


By: Blanketnazi2 on 5/20/13 at 8:29

Loner, those houses are 4x their value from about 15 years ago. Most of the homes are historic and those that are not are being torn down and replica homes are being built (mostly). It's very close to downtown and it's a beautiful old neighborhood with mature trees and sidewalks. It's a much sought-after area.

By: BenDover on 5/20/13 at 8:35

Mafiaoza's has benefited substantially from the 'Neighborhood' pub brand... that local-flavor hole-in-the-wall place where you get an unexpectedly good meal and atmosphere.

The homeowners in the area rightly complained that the business was using up a disproportionate amount of the public parking.

Time for Mafiaoza's to ante-up -- cough up some of that vast profitability afforded to them by their 'neighborhood' location and buy up some near-by property to accommodate their parking demands.

The fact that their first option was to take the city to court makes them not-so-great of a neighbor after all.

By: Loner on 5/20/13 at 8:45

Sounds like rich folks living there...they can afford those smart cars...I stand by my 9:16 post.

But seriously, the streets belong to the people, not to the homeowners along those streets. Who paves and plows the streets? The general public, by way of taxation, that's who. Liberate the streets!

By: BenDover on 5/20/13 at 9:09

There are thousands of locations in Nashville with parking adequate to their demand. Mafiaoza's just wants to continue to make out on the cheap. Let them solve their own parking problems. They are lucky the residents didn't go after them as a public nuisance for their drunken customers parking in front of homes and puking in the yards.

By: dargent7 on 5/20/13 at 9:14

Parking permits for residential?
Try parking in San Francisco. Even in the ocean.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 5/20/13 at 9:37

These days it's not just Mafiaoza's - it's all the restaurants that are in a short corridor of 12South.

Loner, not all folks living there are rich. Unfortunately some people have been priced out of their neighborhood.

By: brrrrk on 5/20/13 at 9:45

BenDover said

"Mafiaoza's has benefited substantially from the 'Neighborhood' pub brand... that local-flavor hole-in-the-wall place where you get an unexpectedly good meal and atmosphere.

The homeowners in the area rightly complained that the business was using up a disproportionate amount of the public parking."


Do my eyes deceive me?!?!

Is Ben actually advocating the idea that businesses have to assume at least some responsibility when it comes to the use of the public domain?!?!

By: BenDover on 5/20/13 at 10:04

I have never been the caricature you have envisioned brrrrk.

Simply reading what I've written without your filters and predispostions should have informed you of that years ago.

By: Loner on 5/20/13 at 10:15

Yeah, Ben is actually a closet leftist...he digs hippie chicks.

By: BenDover on 5/20/13 at 10:22

I'd be queer if I didn't loner. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

By: Loner on 5/20/13 at 10:58

Amen, brother Ben....Queer once meant Odd and Gay once meant Happy...Back in the days of my dear old Grand-Pappy.

By: Loner on 5/20/13 at 11:15

When t comes to Cannabis, Brother Ben is a Leftist...or is he a Libertarian? As in a Venn diagram, the two ideologies overlap on the Cannabis and Drug War issues.

There is plenty of common ground between the Left and the Libertarians.

But the Ron Paul-Rand Paul Royal family stuff gave Libertarianism a bad name recently...Rand is an ambitious Grand-stander with an outsized ego....Dynastic Libertarianism Sucks!

By: Kelliente on 5/20/13 at 11:42

This is a good question. It must be really annoying as a homeowner to have a business move in down the street and then not be able to find anywhere to park close to your front door. On one hand, the businesses are the latecomers and they should have thought about addressing their parking concerns before opening. On the other hand, in many other cities, all the streets are open to public parking and residents usually don't have much trouble finding a place to park that is somewhat close to their house (they just have to walk a little).
Even though I've had a hell of a time finding parking at 12 South when I want to patronize one of those businesses, I think I sympathize with the homeowners. They were there first and adequate parking is something that the businesses should have addressed themselves when thinking out their business model.
Two final points: No one wants a parking garage in 12 South, and paying taxes doesn't mean you get to park wherever you want: Valets regularly "reserve" meter spaces.

By: yogiman on 5/20/13 at 11:44

I don't believe Rand Paul's ego is any comparison to your man Barry's, Loner. I see your man as an egotistical insipidly pompous ass. And he proves it more every day.

By: bfra on 5/20/13 at 11:54

Loner - Ignore wee willie winkle, if he had a brain, he might have something of FACTS to post.

By: Rasputin72 on 5/20/13 at 12:00

Queer in today's world mean one can haul coal in their mouth or anus with only a smirk from a very small majority of those who choose to use their mouth or anus for more conventional purposes.

Parking is only problem for those that allow parking to be a problem. I have a friend who just retired and moved back ti San Francisco (hometown) He bought a Condo on Jones Street. He had two choices. A condo with two inside parking spaces or an identical unit with no parking other than street parking. The price premium was 20% He chose the inside parking and has been quite happy.

My suggestion to anyone in the 12 South area that is burdened by parking woes. Sell immediately and remove the burden or continue to pay lawyers and/or fight what may be several more years of 12 South growth.

By: Loner on 5/20/13 at 12:11

Rasp's peculiar post was quite queer, IMO...beyond odd....hauling coal?

By: bfra on 5/20/13 at 12:16

Loner - I agree with you, but from Raspy's comments, he must be quite familiar with the situation.

By: BenDover on 5/20/13 at 12:17

I'm a conservative in the truest sense of the word Loner. I'm a total conservationist at heart... I hate waste... I think government should be only as large as absolutely necessary... I take strong heed of the traditions and mores that got us to where we are but don't see a reason to blindly abide when other people make a good case for change.... What's not to love?

By: Captain Nemo on 5/20/13 at 12:18

That nothing unusual for Raspy, Loner. He was queer/strange back when I knew him.

By: Loner on 5/20/13 at 12:19

Kelliente's post was articulate and reasonable.

Two final points: No one wants a parking garage in 12 South, and paying taxes doesn't mean you get to park wherever you want: Valets regularly "reserve" meter spaces.

The throngs of conventioneers who will be using the brand-new, palatial, colosal MCC might want a parking garage in that area...as would any parking garage architect & builder....just sayin'.

Metered on-street parking is one thing....un-metered on-street parking is quite another matter.

By: Captain Nemo on 5/20/13 at 12:21

The home owners of Historic German town have several restaurants , with very little parking space, but there does not have this problem.

By: Loner on 5/20/13 at 12:28

In my humble opinion: Vehicle registration & driver license fees, along with tolls and fuel taxes, pay for street-road-highway maintenance, improvements etc. therefore licensed drivers should be able to park their registered vehicle in any un-metered on-street parking spot...with the exception of handicapped-only parking and fire-emergency-reserved parking.

By: Captain Nemo on 5/20/13 at 12:29

I am finishing up my work in Paducah, Ky. Look forward to see what comes of this.

By: Captain Nemo on 5/20/13 at 12:32

What about the tax payers that lives on that street, Loner? Don't they have rights to there house?

By: Rasputin72 on 5/20/13 at 12:37

NEMO.............You should identify me to your welfare friends.

LONER ..........If the word coal is not adequate for queer status ypu might want to subsitute any number of other examples. Try words like semen or horse urine or in your case a soapy enema

NEMO...........There are two people who post on this who know you are a lying low income nit shit. Those two people are you and I

By: Loner on 5/20/13 at 12:39

Hey, Mitt Romney has a car elevator and elevated parking; why not the rest of the 53%...screw the 47%...they are lucky, if they can afford a gravel driveway.

I see a market for well-off, but land-limited folks who want to park 2 or more cars in about the same space needed to park one car....stacking the Jaguar, the Lexus, the SUV....and so on.....$250K for the basic 2-story unit should be doable and affordable, for the 53% crowd....guys like Ben Dover....and Rasp.

By: Loner on 5/20/13 at 12:46

Rasputin hurls an invective....he wrote: "you are a lying low income nit shit."

And that, after all the nice things I have said about brother Rasputin.....such ingratitude...such an attitude...but at least the invective was not a platitude.

By: Loner on 5/20/13 at 12:48

...and the "soapy enema" comment is most queer....rather Jug-like. Rasp is oral-anal fixated?

By: yogiman on 5/20/13 at 12:49

Well, bfra, it doesn't take much brain to be more intelligent (smarter) than you. You can claim but you can't [pro]claim.

By: dargent7 on 5/20/13 at 12:50

re: Raspy @ 1:00pm. Obviously his meds kicked in.
He "knows" a good buddy (gay) in San Franciso who....
Move next to Mittens Romney in La Jolla.
Has a 4 car elevator lift from the beach to his 2nd floor house.
And you nit-wits wonder why he lost the election....

By: bfra on 5/20/13 at 1:01

yogi & Raspy keep anal on the brain! Very telling when the queer subject is mentioned.

By: Loner on 5/20/13 at 1:05

Captain...if the deed does not specify reserved on-street parking in the area immediately adjacent to your property, then the "right" to do so is dubious, IMO.

By: yogiman on 5/20/13 at 1:25

Sorry, bfra, I can't compete with you on the anal on the brain. Could that be because you have a bigger brain than I? And why do you keep mentioning "queer" all the time? Could it possibly be because you're so queer?

By: bfra on 5/20/13 at 1:43

No brain yogi, can't even come up with a good response. Never has, never can, never will! No brains!

By: Blanketnazi2 on 5/20/13 at 1:53

I think as Metro becomes more densely populated, the people who live in the residential areas affected need to be diligent in attending zoning meetings and understanding the impact of zoning changes.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 5/20/13 at 1:54

I believe it will behoove people to be more diligent in learning about who they are electing to their city council as well.

By: bfra on 5/20/13 at 2:02

Blanket - From watching some of those zoning & codes meetings, I found that the members didn't really act like they were familiar with the areas they were voting on. No hands on, just hearsay.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 5/20/13 at 2:10

Well, you do have a point. And no matter how much their constituents speak out it doesn't mean they necessary vote the way the residents want them to.

By: Captain Nemo on 5/20/13 at 2:27

First of all Raspy old boy, there are no welfare friends on this site, with the exception of you and you are certainly no friend of mine. Second you have no clue as to who I am, so there for you do not know what my income is. Thirdly you had whore yourself many times during the time I knew you and what I have been hearing about you lately you have not change except your pay leave is as low as you.