Up for Debate: Roger Clemens not guilty

Monday, June 18, 2012 at 11:34pm

Are you surprised by the verdict in the Roger Clemens case in federal court in which the famed Major League Baseball pitcher was found not guilty of lying about taking steroids? What do you think this means in the long run for the processes of investigating and prosecuting high profile sports stars?

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By: Captain Nemo on 6/19/12 at 5:18

No!

By: Captain Nemo on 6/19/12 at 5:24

Jeb vs. Grover: Battle for GOP's soul
By John Avlon, CNN contributor

Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush testifies this month before the House Budget Committee.This is what happens when politics starts looking like a cult: Jeb Bush gets attacked for being a traitor to the conservative cause.

The former Florida governor has been speaking with the freedom of someone not running for office, saying that both his father and Ronald Reagan would have had a hard time in today's hard-right GOP and questioning the wisdom of Grover Norquist's absolutist anti-tax pledge.

That set off a fascinating public fight between Bush and Norquist, two faces of competing factions within Republican Party. It is the latest evidence of a growing GOP backlash against the ideological straitjacket Norquist has attempted to impose on governing in the United States.

By: Captain Nemo on 6/19/12 at 5:27

This is so funny it has to be repeated. However I'm sure it went over his head.

By: BenDover on 6/18/12 at 11:30
A senile paranoid incontinent old fart walks into a gay piano bar... orders a "where's your f*cking birth certificate' with a twist of lime.
Bartender explains there's no such drink and suggests a "get the f*ck out of here" instead.

By: dargent7 on 6/19/12 at 5:29

Suprised? No. The combination of slick lawyers, dumb juries, rich clients, no eye witnesses, no memory, deny, deny, deny....Barry Bond's head is x2 it's normal size. Clemons was 245#, as a pitcher? Mickey Lolich was never above 200#'s from only eating donuts.
Only Jose' Canseco was credible when he ratted out players he personally shot up.
And his "clients" still denied taking steroids.

By: dargent7 on 6/19/12 at 5:32

Re: Bars, bartendars and a new drink called, "The Birth Certificate". I'm thinking of designing a drink called just that.
Any suggestions what the ingredients should be?

By: Captain Nemo on 6/19/12 at 5:32

Sorry I forgot to give the link

http://articles.cnn.com/2012-06-13/opinion/avlon-jeb-bush-grover-norquist_1_jeb-bush-grover-norquist-pledge?_s=PM:OPINION

By: Captain Nemo on 6/19/12 at 5:40

As it turns out, Norquist has reason to be concerned. It's not just Jeb Bush. A growing number of Republicans are rejecting his pledge. Oklahoma conservative Sen. Tom Coburn called the pledge's effective veto of deficit reduction plans "ridiculous" when talking with Erin Burnett on "OutFront."

Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina on Tuesday declared his independence from the pledge, saying, "We're so far in debt, that if you don't give up some ideological ground, the country sinks."

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/06/13/jeb-s-governance-vs-grover-s-agitation.html

By: Captain Nemo on 6/19/12 at 5:42

I spoted this last night

By: budlight on 6/18/12 at 8:29
"The video was damning; no creature deserves to be treated like that. "
Interesting! No one mentioned the innocent truck driver that a bunch of black thugs dragged out of his truck and almost beat to death, leaving him severely disabled for the rest of his life. King, on the other hand, became a t.v. celeb. For shame!

The troll monkey was quick to point out ‘black thugs” beating an innocent white, but she fail to mention the black people that came to his rescue. She must have selected memory lose based on racial lines.

By: gdiafante on 6/19/12 at 5:45

Maybe they're finally realizing that nothing is sustainable...you can't reduce spending and have tax cuts during a recession. It doesn't work.

By: Captain Nemo on 6/19/12 at 5:48

Here is another one of yogi loony historical misrepresentation.

By: yogiman on 6/18/12 at 10:20
If you haven't noticed, wiseguy1, Loner is the leading exploiter on this site. When Loner takes a holiday and isn't making his comments, it's very quiet here. Many days there's only one page the whole day before they all go home from work.

On the day that Loner was away; 6/13 there was 55 posts, 21 of which were made by yogi. Almost 50% of that days total. On 6/15 there 105, 28 were made by yogi, roughly 20% and the day Loner returns yogi post 18 out of 88.( almost 25%). Loner only post 8.

You are 100% wrong on non factual posts yogi.

By: Captain Nemo on 6/19/12 at 5:49

At this point there are 11 post and I've made 7.

By: Captain Nemo on 6/19/12 at 5:51

I think that there is an to rid the GOP of a disease.

By: dargent7 on 6/19/12 at 5:53

Got a story problem for the local racist group known as, "Birthers":
Marco Rubio's dad was born in Cuba. Romney's dad was born in Mexico.
So, if Romney picks Rubio as his VP, how's that any more legal than Obama's dad being born in Kenya?
All this "naturalized" stuff...daddy wasn't "naturalized" until 4 years after Markey was born.
And let's say you're adopted, and don't even know who your birth father is. Not step dad, but DNA dad.
Are you then inelligible to become President of the USA?

By: gdiafante on 6/19/12 at 5:57

The GOP, like the Dems, is about power. They stopped working for the best interests of the country many years ago. That's why, in practice, there's very little difference between parties.

When Grover talks about no taxes, he isn't talking about the middle class. When Obama talks about jobs, he isn't talking about the middle class either. When Romney talks about the American dream, he isn't talking about the American reality.

These people are so out-of-touch with normal people it's ridiculous.

Yet, here we are, day in and day out, defending them...what does that say about us?

By: Rasputin72 on 6/19/12 at 6:02

Roger Clemens was probably guilty. He is not the kind of person you would want as a neighbor. He is however a tenacious competitor. One has to admire the effort and cost that he put forth to win this verdict.

By: Loner on 6/19/12 at 6:04

Good morning, Nashville.

As for the Roger Clemens cluster-f*ck, few people are surprised by the gross incompetence of the government's prosecution of the charges....one more Eric Holder boondoggle?

I wonder how much time, energy and money went down this anti-doping rat-hole....certainly, millions of dollars were literally pissed away.....the lengthy and expensive process has actually backfired.....the well-intended system has been terminally compromised.....and Obama's Justice department is looking inept......or corrupt....take your choice.

And thank you, Captain Nemo, for the support.

By: yogiman on 6/19/12 at 6:05

If you had read my posts, nimrod, you would have known they were responses to comments you and your co-posters made to or about me.

By: Captain Nemo on 6/19/12 at 6:08

The question gdia is what is normal people are. I’m sure that yogi and bud think they are the pinnacle of normal.

By: Loner on 6/19/12 at 6:10

Good point, Darge...we should DNA test all candidates for the Presidency and VP....exhuming their dead parents, to get their DNA, may be required....sounds like a lucrative government contract right there.....digging up corpses, to satisfy the birther crowd.

OK, Slack, Darge etc, here we go.....an official government exhumation worker strolls into a gay piano bar........

By: Rasputin72 on 6/19/12 at 6:12

Gdiafante.......I appreciate your observation of 6:57 AM. While I may not agree with your assesment in total there is certainly enough truth to give it consideration.

The question that I put forth to myself is, How long can this country exist as those 35 years old and older know it?

The second question is what will it become?

By: Loner on 6/19/12 at 6:12

Yogi is suggesting that, if we do not post comments to or about him, he'll not be forced to post here.....let the shunning begin!

By: govskeptic on 6/19/12 at 6:12

Government given two shots at him and missed both times. They take months
if not years investigating and hundreds of thousands of dollars expended and
then attempt to overwhelm the jury with witnesses that just talk but say nothing!
As efficient as picking cotton by hand!

By: Captain Nemo on 6/19/12 at 6:13

Your welcome Loner

That is not an answer yogi, it is your typical excuse for not understand reality.

By: Kosh III on 6/19/12 at 6:14

Clements lies about drug use and goes thru an expensive lengthy show trial.

Bush, Cheney, and Co lie about Iraq and 9/11 resulting in a trillion dollars or so of expense, hundreds of thousands of deaths, mostly innocents, the destruction of the 1800 y/o Christian community in Iraq, not to mention wrecking the economy with the help of Congress and their corporate masters.

No trial, no conviction, no remorse.

By: Captain Nemo on 6/19/12 at 6:17

I disagree with your post gov; picking cotton by hand is more efficient. ;-)

By: Kosh III on 6/19/12 at 6:17

Before the GOP sycophants start their usual denials:

"We found the weapons of mass destruction" Bush 5/29/03

"Iraq will not require sustained aid" Mitch Daniels OMB Director 3/18/03"

"...how long this conflict would last...six days, six weeks, I doubt six months" Rumsfeld 3/7/03

By: yogiman on 6/19/12 at 6:20

dargent7,

Romney was born in the US to parents who were American citizens. The fact his father was born in Mexico is immaterial, he was born to American parents. Even if his father was born as a Mexican citizen, if he had become a naturalized citizen before Mitt's birth, Mitt would still be a natural born citizen if his mother was also an American citizen.

As for Marco Rubio, he was born to parents who were Cuban citizens in the US which made him a native born citizen under the 14th Amendment. He is not a natural born citizen and is no more eligible for that office than Barry Soetoro aka Barack Obama..

Your remark about an adopted child is interesting. Are they, or ain't they, legally eligible. I would think their birth would have to be factually known.

By: Loner on 6/19/12 at 6:29

Well said, Kosh.

Bush lied, thousands died....Clemens lied, Eric Holder gets "fried", but nobody died.

War crimes are given a pass....drug abuse is pursued with dogged endurance.....this is what happens in a democracy that is governed by the special interests...not the public's interests.

With the advent of the Super-PACs, things will get even crazier.....stand by for full-blown insanity.....foreign interests are now free to purchase all the influence in Washington, DC....we can thank the Bush family dynasty for their lasting legacy of corruption in the Supreme Court.......and some pine for Jeb?

By: Loner on 6/19/12 at 7:00

If bored, go here:

http://world.time.com/2012/06/19/iran-nuclear-talks-delusions-on-both-sides-of-the-table/?xid=gonewsedit

The lone one has attracted an Israeli hasbarat or two.....gotta give them credit for tenacity and diligence. I think of it as a badge of honor.....Israeli hasbarats are monitoring my Disqus posts....they must feel that I am a threat....not just a nuisance.

By: yogiman on 6/19/12 at 7:11

Isn't this interesting: Attorneys arguing on Obama's behalf on his re-election plans have asked the judge in a case going on in Florida to decide that Obama is not yet the Democratic nominee for president and ignore evidence challenging his eligibility.

By: Captain Nemo on 6/19/12 at 7:12

By: parnell3rd on 6/18/12 at 10:07
With the world in turmoil the City Paper gives another 15 minutes of fame to a man in 1992 high on PCP fighting with police. Yes Rodney King took got his butt kicked but, the news never showed the complete video of how he attacked the police first.

Please show us the whole vidoe parnell3rd.

By: yogiman on 6/19/12 at 7:15

Another interesting article: Just after the discovery of a 1991 publicity brochure claiming Barack Obama was born in Kenya, a 1990 Vanity Fair article stated Obama grew up in Singapore, not Indonesia, which raises another question; Where in the hell was he born and raised?

By: bfra on 6/19/12 at 7:16

By: yogiman on 6/19/12 at 8:11

Isn't this interesting: Attorneys arguing on Obama's behalf on his re-election plans have asked the judge in a case going on in Florida to decide that Obama is not yet the Democratic nominee for president and ignore evidence challenging his eligibility.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
What is NOT interesting is you doing a cut & paste of every trash site you can find,

By: Loner on 6/19/12 at 7:22

Good morning, Bfra.

The troll is Johnny-one-note on the birther BS....he is yanking our chains.....if we ignore him, he may go elsewhere.....he probably tests the patience of our host too....he's bad for business.

Where is Ben and the rest of the bunch?

By: BenDover on 6/19/12 at 7:24

Actually gd is right here. I read the source article a few days ago and no where in it did I see Jeb Bush's criticisms directed only at, or limited to, conservatives. It did seem to be written such that if that was your point of view it would reinforce it though.

Pelosi, Reid and Obama are highly polarized figures who were uncompromisingly listing this country hard to port. When the Tea Party steps up in response to it to try to stop them they cry, 'FOUL!"... and the media reinforces it with this ridiculous compromise meme.

We have a senate who hasn't passed a budget in 3 years. Viewed reasonably it's Reid who is the gatekeeper who hasn't brought a single house bill to vote in the senate that didn't serve his cause. When the Repubs in the House try to exert some influence and get concessions on Bills they are immediately labeled as "Obstructionists!"... traitors even.

It's all political theater and the stage is owned by a media of mocking birds who simply shout White House spin loud and proud until the big lie sinks in.

By: bfra on 6/19/12 at 7:27

Loner - Problem is, he hasn't got enough sense to know when he is being ignored. The bunch just come & go, but Ben is kinda like the troll, just uses better phrases.

Glad to hear you had a good time with your buddies & the protests are going well.

By: Ummm... on 6/19/12 at 7:32

Bennie, all things considered, I believe you to have more than two brain cells to rub together. Doesn't the fact that only the mental midgets like Yogi, Rasputin, brainedlight, govskeptic, et al, ever agree with your misguided political bent give you cause for reflection?

By: gdiafante on 6/19/12 at 7:33

http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/19/politics/congress-productivity/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

By: BenDover on 6/19/12 at 7:43

Sometimes less is more, gd. Especially when you are dealing with congress. In my opinion they should focus on removing laws not piling on more.

By: brrrrk on 6/19/12 at 7:48

Ain't we just birth-proud this morning!? The only thing missing was an effigy hanging from a tree..... guess that would be tough to haul around on a trailer.

http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/06/18/501145/obama-outhouse-montana/

By: govskeptic on 6/19/12 at 7:48

Putin gives Obama a 2 hr. lecture, German tells our Sec. of Treasury they
don't need his advice, and Israel hasbarts are tracking Loner! I think
instead of typing we all need to be hiding under our blankets!

By: Rasputin72 on 6/19/12 at 7:50

Ummm.....I have an idea that your idea of a mental midget and that of the admitting office at Harvard,Princeton,Virginia,Stanford and the Academies are entirely different.

By: BenDover on 6/19/12 at 7:50

Both parties have, what I would call, doctrinal supporters Ummm... people who can't defend their position well... who don't understand the issues but support their candidate like they would their favorite football team.

I offer that the conservatives would fare much better in passing a basic voter qualification test on the issues at hand than would the liberals though. Such a suggestion harkens back to the Jim Crow era though; so to suggest that a voter should be reasonably well educated and informed is always made akin to racism.

By: gdiafante on 6/19/12 at 7:52

I offer that the conservatives would fare much better in passing a basic voter qualification test on the issues at hand than would the liberals though.

How old are you?

By: brrrrk on 6/19/12 at 7:53

Ummm... said

"Bennie, all things considered, I believe you to have more than two brain cells to rub together. Doesn't the fact that only the mental midgets like Yogi, Rasputin, brainedlight, govskeptic, et al, ever agree with your misguided political bent give you cause for reflection?"

I feel a vampire/reflection/GOP joke coming on...... nah, some things are just toooooo easy. As the late night guys say... make up your own joke.

By: Captain Nemo on 6/19/12 at 7:59

gdia-
Maybe, this is what the Republicans consider less government, but spends for wealthy America.

Yes, Rasputin...we know “class envy”.

Please gov, show us the lecture Putin gave.

By: gdiafante on 6/19/12 at 8:01

Nemo, they want a hands-off approach...which benefits the 1% while the rest burns. This is why Congress' approval rating is so historically low. People realize this, but until they stop voting against their self-interest, nothing will change.

Then again, voting for anyone is against their self-interest.

By: BenDover on 6/19/12 at 8:04

Liberalism is easy really. It requires simply that you care. Whether or not your means are effective... whether the whole is sacrificed to heartfelt efforts to prop up individuals who often won't help themselves... whether the work/reward cycle is demonized and neutered with progressive tax policy to the point that it's no longer functional... none of these things are of any consideration to a liberal. Liberalism requires only the perception that someone is in need; and that the meanies (other people) need to be forced to take care of them. Liberalism is the whole of the emotion of care wrapped in a huge academic and political rationalization of anything that reinforces it.

By: gdiafante on 6/19/12 at 8:05

Yeah...a two hour lecture...jeez...

http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/18/us/mexico-g20-obama-putin/index.html?hpt=hp_bn3

By: gdiafante on 6/19/12 at 8:07

That's a long-winded way to say "waaaah", Ben. Take your own advice, sometimes less is more.