Up for Debate: Romney, Santorum duke it out

Wednesday, February 22, 2012 at 11:30pm

What's your reaction to Wednesday night's Republican debate in Arizona — particularly the sparring between Mitt Romney and Rick Santorum?

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By: dargent7 on 2/23/12 at 4:59

Didn't see it. Will view "highlights" on FOX News.
Romney's, "I would of let GM fail" loses my vote.
Sanitarium is now disparaging Protestant religions due to their "weak" view on Satan.
He's certifiable.
I'm back in Black. Baby's in Black. Men in Black.
Obama in 2012!

By: Loner on 2/23/12 at 6:22

Good morning, Nashville!

I watched the debate..the whole thing...quite the spectacle.

Nobody "duked it out", there was a lot of mutual agreement on many items....some raised their voices a notch and they were talking over one another at times, nut no real fireworks, IMO.

Newt's hair was perfect...his paunch runneth over, however. His answers were thoughtful and his wealth of knowledge is considerable...he maintained his cool.

Romney looked and sounded presidential....the sane alternative to Santorum.

Santorum looked well-scrubbed, like a Ken doll...complete with phony smile. Unlike the Ken Doll, Richard the Zionhearted is a smirking, wise ass and a religious fanatic with an unholy agenda.

Ron Paul got genuine applause with each answer...except when he dissed US involvement in the Holy Land and Israel's perpetual holy wars...the audience was filled with Israel lovers....unrestrained love for and devotion to the Jewish State is bipartisan and deep.

Ron Paul has the proverbial snowball's chance of getting the GOP nod; but he will get my vote, if he runs as a Libertarian....the man makes sense.

By: gdiafante on 2/23/12 at 6:39

I'd prefer a "none of the above" option this year.

By: govskeptic on 2/23/12 at 6:42

No knockouts, but some darn good hard jabs at the President.
Romney's experience from his run last time shows up pretty
often and would give the night to him!

By: dargent7 on 2/23/12 at 6:48

After 2 hours of FOX News, they're giving the debate to Romney. But, Super Tues, especially Michigan, is the real test.
Gingrich needs to order Nutrisystem, pronto.
And that potential VP Chris Christie is pushing 400#'s.
Gingrich/ Christie....holy sh**.

By: Loner on 2/23/12 at 6:48

Santorum drew 4 "boos" during the performance...Ron Paul got 1 boo, when he intimated that the US should get out of the holy wars in the ME...the crowd was definitely infatuated with the Jewish State concept...and US defense of same.

By: Loner on 2/23/12 at 6:55

Gov Christie looks like the Michelin tire man...hyper-inflated to the blow-out point...stand back....he's gonna blow! Newt looks like the Pillsbury dough boy, with a silver hair helmet. Those two really are "Republican fat cats"....these publicly religious guys seem to be guilty of gluttony, pride and greed; three of the Cardinal Sins.

By: gdiafante on 2/23/12 at 7:02

Loner, I follow the GOP debates over at the Economist website, they made a good point that there are many Mormons in Mesa, where the debate took place. So you could argue that Romney packed the house.

By: Loner on 2/23/12 at 7:37

I believe that, GD...LDS is big, not just in Utah, but also in Idaho. All states contiguous with Utah have significant Mormon populations. Not all Mormons are devout practitioners of the strange faith...those Mormons in name only, (MINO's?) are called "jack Mormons"...I lived in Boise for 4 years....the Mormons run the state legislature in Idaho.

LDS is like a club...if you want to get ahead, you join up...insider deals etc.

By: Mike Burch on 2/23/12 at 8:10

Loner,

I basically agree with your analysis. I don't care for Gingrich's person ethics (does he have any?), but he knows his stuff and has lots of experience. He sounded like a statesman and used humor effectively. I was surprised when he described himself as "cheerful" but who knows, perhaps age agrees with his temperament.

Romney did pretty well, and came out on top of head-to-head encounters with Santorum.

Santorum is the one who scares me the most. He is so far to the right he makes Reagan and GWB look like flaming liberals. He thinks Satan is influencing or controlling everyone to the left of him, which means 99% of Americans. He would send women's rights back to the Stone Age, or at least the Inquisitions. It's hard to imagine him getting elected with 50% of voters being women, so I imagine forces within the GOP are trying to swing votes to Romney.

Perhaps the most troubling aspect of the night was the crowd's reaction to Ron Paul's wise suggestion that we avoid wars in the Middle East. The crowd also cheered every statement by other candidates about spending more money on the military. Do we really need a new navy and 100,000 more troops? What will the cost be?

The GOP is infatuated with irrational religion, alpha male domination of the globe, etc. Bad thinking leads to bad actions. It will be interesting to see if Ron Paul can stay in the race and increase his percentage of the votes as other candidates drop out or start to fall behind. RP is the only real conservative in the group, if being a conservative means advocating smaller government and fiscal responsibility.

But when a party's goals and thinking are so absurdly wrong, how can it possibly lead the country in a better direction? I think President Obama is clearly the better choice, although a race between him and Ron Paul would be interesting. If Obama were to adopt RP's stance on foreign policy, that might prove to be a marriage made in heaven.

By: Rasputin72 on 2/23/12 at 8:14

In my opinion any of them would be acceptable to Barack Hussein Obama. However there are just too many people in this country who watch TV and see the good life that some people lead and think that should be part of the welfare program. Barack Hussein Obama wins easily in November.

By: Rasputin72 on 2/23/12 at 8:14

In my opinion any of them would be acceptable to Barack Hussein Obama. However there are just too many people in this country who watch TV and see the good life that some people lead and think that should be part of the welfare program. Barack Hussein Obama wins easily in November.

By: gdiafante on 2/23/12 at 8:22

Which welfare program are your referring to, the "safety net" for the poor or corporate welfare?

By: Loner on 2/23/12 at 8:30

Mike Burch wrote: "If Obama were to adopt RP's stance on foreign policy, that might prove to be a marriage made in heaven."

I agree...but it would take a miracle from heaven for Obama to distance himself from the all-powerful Israel lobby and the other two culprits that comprise the War Super-lobby, Defense and Energy....Defense, Israel & Energy are dictating US policy in the ME...no POTUS is going to challenge that omnipotent consortium...they take their marching orders from those guys.

Any POTUS who would even suggest pulling US foreign aid to the Jewish State would be signing his own death warrant...JFK was the last POTUS to even suggest withholding Israel's annual "entitlement"....he was shot in the head six months after suggesting that....JFK had said "NO" to Israeli nuclear WMD...his slimeball successor, LBJ, gave Israel the green light to produce nukes...some say it was a quid pro quo for the Mossad's help in eliminating his boss.....knowing what we now know, about Israel's routine use of assassinations, and given the fact that LBJ was a ruthless war criminal, the idea that LBJ was complicit in the Mossad's murder of JFK is not irrational by nature....it makes perfect sense.

By: joe41 on 2/23/12 at 8:54

I went out to dinner with friends as I do not care to hear all of these politicians spewing forth garbage.
Joe

By: Loner on 2/23/12 at 8:57

The debates were entertaining...the only boring parts were when Santorum droned on with his platitudes and pontifications....Santorum smirked and chuckled when RP challenged him on substantive points...as if RP was the village idiot who was on the stage for comic relief...Romney and Gingrich also tended to treat RP as some sort of clown...a nutty guy with crazy ideas...an old guy, with bad hair, teeth and frail physique...they humored him.

RP is a medical doctor with OB/gyn specialty...the only guy on the stage actually qualified to talk about contraception etc. And RP is the only GOP candidate to have served in the US armed forces...RP did not brag about any of that...he has too much class for that....he is not a braggart....I like that in a candidate.

By: Mike Burch on 2/23/12 at 9:02

Loner,

I agree with you that it will be difficult for Obama (or any US president) to do what is best for the US, rather than the tail wagging the dog. The pro-Israel lobby can offer money and votes to politicians who side with Israel. In the past, it has managed to put politicians out of office who put US interests first. But I think there is a fairly simple solution. It's an idea I came up with, after studying the problem and "thinking outside the box":

http://www.thehypertexts.com/peace.htm

This plan gives the President a way to act without needing the assent of American politicians who are, in effect, controlled by Israel on matters pertaining to Israel. In the long run, this plan will help Israel by requiring Israel to establish fair laws and courts, which are the only path to racial peace on this planet (other than one race exterminating the other).

Also, the plan can be put into effect by a foreign nation that wants peace rather than war, which means most member nations of the UN.

The problem is conveying this idea to someone with the connections required to move it up the ladder. Anyone who likes the idea can help by sharing the link with other people. If the idea goes "viral," sooner or later it should end up in the right hands.

Mike

By: Rasputin72 on 2/23/12 at 9:04

gdiafante.........I am referring to the standard of living provided by our government for the worthless underclass of this country. These people use the word poor as an excuse for everything from their birth to their drug habit and irresponsible behavior, Not to mention their lack of ambition and genetics.

What do you call corporate welfare?

47% of the people in this country do not pay any income tax. They are supported by the other 53% and this motley group under our system of democracy are allowed to vote themselves more welfare. In the final analysis the only survivors will be the 1%. They have survived every downturn in the world for 2000 years. They all may not be the wealthy. All however will be at the top of their game when it comes to understanding the way the world works. The naive,the bleeding hearts and the huddled masses will be plowed under just as they have for 2000 years when the economic shoe drops on this country.

By: Loner on 2/23/12 at 9:04

Good choice, Joe...those guys would spoil anybody's appetite...it was like watching three dairy farmers racing their hopped-up manure spreaders...meanwhile one farmer, Ron Paul, was planting seeds.

By: Ask01 on 2/23/12 at 9:05

To be honest, I have not paid a great deal of attention to any of the candidates.

The current process is, to me, reminiscent of "The Amateur Hour" or perhaps "The Gong Show." Some contestants will show promise, while many are, in my opinion, little more than 'filler' to prevent that broadcast nightmare, 'dead air.'

We are still way too early in the process. Numerous pitfalls await our intrepid champions as they seek the 'Golden Rings of Nomination.' Unforeseen external forces and foreign intrigue can exert unimagined influence for good or bad, affecting any candidate.

At this point, I prefer to support America's struggling comedians as they reap the windfall of the antics of these 'men who would be king' by letting the comics lampoon every mistake.

Let us be honest, this is a popularity contest right now. Additionally, no matter who seems to have a lock, once the respective party's national conventions convene, literally anything could happen.

So for now, let the "Laffalympics" continue.

God forbid all these poltical commentators be out of work stirring up trouble on street corners.

By: Mike Burch on 2/23/12 at 9:12

Rasputin72,

You said: "In my opinion any of them would be acceptable to Barack Hussein Obama."

Do you mean "preferable"?

Usually when someone uses President Obama's middle name in a negative comment, it is a suggestion that he is "not really an American" or is otherwise suspicious. Other presidents have had unusual middle names, such as Richard Milhous Nixon. No one ever made a president's middle name an issue in the past. Why make it an issue today?

John McCain took a firm stand against such unfair treatment of the first American president who wasn't lily-white.

By: gdiafante on 2/23/12 at 9:19

I am referring to the standard of living provided by our government for the worthless underclass of this country. These people use the word poor as an excuse for everything from their birth to their drug habit and irresponsible behavior, Not to mention their lack of ambition and genetics.

As opposed to the worthless privileged class, whose wealth and sense of entitlement encompass political donations that result in favorable political outcomes.

Notwithstanding the bubbles that are created due to the collusion of Wall Street and government at this level, which when all is said and done, have the unfortunate effect of increasing the worthless underclass that you so completely revile.

It's a vicious circle but you only seem to comprehend half the equation.

By: pswindle on 2/23/12 at 9:22

This field of GOP candidates are beyond words. There war on women has totally turned me off.

By: Loner on 2/23/12 at 9:24

Rasputin, I'm beginning to think that your kind words the other day may have been satire.

Our worldviews are quite different. You are using a mighty broad brush to paint the portrait of the typical welfare recipient, for example. The idea that welfare recipients are all living the high life, while their benefactors, the oppressed members of the "producing class', are barely making ends meet, is a well-worn, right-wing canard.

Many of the "welfare queens" are older Americans whose life savings went up in smoke when Bush-Cheney ran the ship-o-state aground in 2008. Some lost everything due to medical bills...some lost their homes to back taxes...they worked hard all their lives, but now they are old, infirm and broke....should we just euthanize them, or let them sell pencils on the street corners?

Maybe we set aside a beggar's row, for these unfortunate members of our society....let them survive on the worker's charity, like in the days of Charles Dickens?

By: Mike Burch on 2/23/12 at 9:32

Rasputin72,

We can tell a lot about people by the words they choose:

gdiafante.........I am referring to the standard of living provided by our government for the worthless underclass of this country. These people use the word poor as an excuse for everything from their birth to their drug habit and irresponsible behavior, Not to mention their lack of ambition and genetics.

A friend of mine has a saying, that real class "is classlessness." To suggest that other people are beneath you in class is to fall into the camp of Hitler, the Nazis and the KKK. Is that the kind of company you keep?

Babies are not responsible for their genetics.

Being born with darker skin into a world where lighter-skinned people have all the power and use it unfairly happens to be a big obstacle to overcome. Just imagine yourself being born Jewish in Nazi Germany, or Palestinian in modern-day Israel, or black during the days of American slavery.

You might find it very difficult to seize the American dream if the circumstances of your birth were different. If you are successful, is it due to superior genetics and ambitions, or does a lot have to do with where you were born and the time you were born and the color of your skin ... none of which you can take any credit for?

By: yogiman on 2/23/12 at 9:34

Beauty is in the eyes of the looker.., and the winner is in the ears of the listener.

By: Loner on 2/23/12 at 9:34

"A nation's greatness is measured by how it treats its weakest members." ~ Mahatma Ghandi

I second that....all in favor....say "aye".

By: gdiafante on 2/23/12 at 9:40

Aye...I said that the other day, Loner. The hypocrisy of this nation, which confesses to be Christian, yet would have a third of the nation die in the street rather than provide government assistance, knows no bounds.

Mike, yes, I noticed the verbage of Rasputin as well...it seems there's some underlying issues there. Unfortunately, that is typical in this part of the country.

By: Eye Nose & Now ... on 2/23/12 at 9:47

Paul has a limited base: EDUCATED drug users. That's about all. Obama has
a strong base: UNEDUCATED drug users, ALL Blacks (no matter what he does),
Unborn Baby Killing fans, Pervert Marriage crowd, Felons (Yes, they CAN vote in
some states), Welfare recipients, Ignorant Masses (if not already covered in the
previous demographics.) YEP - it's gonna be hard for ANYONE to beat Obama.
Best chance is with Santorum.

By: gdiafante on 2/23/12 at 9:49

Well, that's two knuckle-draggers today...anyone else want to come forward?

By: Loner on 2/23/12 at 9:50

Eye Nose & Now, which category are you to be found in? You are relatively new on this forum...please, introduce yourself....thanks.

By: Mike Burch on 2/23/12 at 9:50

pswindle,

I agree that the GOP's war against women's rights is very troubling. The GOP is also waging war against the middle class, the poor, the elderly, the unemployed, teachers, unions, GLBTs, Muslims, and basically everyone who isn't a well-off white alpha male.

The problem is that so many Americans are hung up on religion that they can't see how religion is being used to influence the targets of the GOP to vote for politicians who will legislate against them. I call it the "curious collusion between the rich and the poor."

The GOP's method is pretty simple: appeal to the lunatic fringe, bigots, people who love guns and military domination of the globe, et al. If Christians would only open their eyes and see that the GOP has abandoned Christian ethics for social and economic Darwinism (the survival of the strongest and most ruthless at the expense of everyone else), we could change our nation's course by de-electing Republicans until they come to their senses.

But ironically, millions of Christians are voting for politicians who plan to do exactly the opposite of what Jesus, the apostles and Hebrew prophets advocated. Rather than the rich helping the poor, the GOP obviously wants the rich to prosper and the poor to fend for themselves. But due to unfair taxation and other problems, more and more of the middle class is joining the ranks of the poor.

How many Americans will be able to retire without Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid? How many working people today will suffer tomorrow because the rich only paid a fraction of their wealth in taxes, and they started one war after another in an attempt to dominate the globe? How many Americans want to work themselves to death to pay for global supremacy?

Ron Paul is the only real conservative left in the race. And he would at least keep the government from interfering in women's health care issues. The other candidates are alpha males who seem to be intent on waging war in the Middle East, and keeping women, GLBTs, non-Christians and minorities under their white thumbs.

By: Ask01 on 2/23/12 at 9:51

Just to suggest an alternative timeline, as I do enjoy thought provoking science fiction.

The 1% will probably survive so long as they can pay for a protection force and people to maintain their infrastructure. An adddition to the equation will concern how long their money is worth anything.

If the economy tanks so badly, government collapses, money will become worthless, and anarchy will rule.

Once the money the 1% have becomes worthless, unless they have substantial hoards of precious metals, gems, or other bartable goods, they will become targets for those who have nothing, subject to having their goods removed by force.

Anywhere in the world, at any point in time, when the lower and middle class, backed into a corner revolt, society changes, often violently.

Of course, there is always the possibility the 1% of survivors will not be the 1% the Occupy movement have been targetting. What if the 1% were the most violent and ruthless from the middle and lower classes, thrust into positions of leadership, who lead their followers to oust the current upper classes?

Of course, by this time, society would have probably regressed several centuries.

Sorry for rambling, but would it not be ironic if, after survivng so much, including the threat of nuclear extermination, our grand and glorious civilization fell to an economic cancer?

The premise is old, but might make for a good retelling with today's economic woes as a background. Quickly, to the typewriter!

Yesy, I do still have a fully functional typewriter. Right by my rotary phone.

OK, I'm done. I just wanted to offer some food for thought or ridicule as you wish. Ridicule is pointless though. After so long in the military, having been married most of my adult life, and thre teenagers, I am accustomed to the slings and arrows.

By: Loner on 2/23/12 at 9:52

GD, on your 9:40...great minds think alike? I missed your post, I guess...anyway, it's a good quote, said by many in differing forms and it's worth repeating, IMO.

Yesterday, I claimed the this board was short of articulate right-wingers...here come the contenders.

By: Loner on 2/23/12 at 9:59

Food for thought, Ask01...fpolks should be careful of what they wish for...the "limited government" people might regret their anti-guvmint views when armed banditos with torches show up on their front porch demanding food, water and sex.

By: yogiman on 2/23/12 at 10:00

I saw yesterday where Mitt Romney is "considering" Ron Paul as his VP.

Considering then: If Ron Paul won the nomination, would he consider Mitt Romney as his VP? Would either of them make their choice simply for their voting advantage, or because they felt they would be the best man for the "next in line" with them.

Looking back to when Harry Truman took over at Franklin Roosevelt's death, he didn't know what the hell was going on in the Oval Office. I read where Roosevelt wouldn't have anything to do with Truman (wouldn't even talk to him) and the first thing Truman did was call a full house staff meeting to find out what was going on .

By: gdiafante on 2/23/12 at 10:02

I would take these people seriously if they called for efficient government rather than no government. That's not a rational thought.

By: dargent7 on 2/23/12 at 10:02

I love this quote, "49% of all Americans pay no income tax..."
Listen up: Your UN-employment check is NOT taxed when received, weekly.
End of the year, when filing with the IRS for your "Single" deduction of $5,800. and EIC of $400., you are then taxed on ALL of your received UN-Employment. At a 30% rate.
Yes, 30%. Not a Romney 13.5% for Capital Gains.
It virtually wipes out any tax REFUND you thought was coming.
So, the UN-employed DO pay income tax, only at the end.
Now, illegals who work for CASH ONLY, don't pay Income Tax, but then don't get anything back, either.
These idiots who say these statements, "pay no income tax and still get $8,000. BACK from the gov't are brain-dead Republicans.
Or, is that redundant?

By: Mike Burch on 2/23/12 at 10:11

Loner,

Aye. I think we would live in a much better, safer, more prosperous world if every American politician would ask "How will this affect mothers and their children?" before signing any piece of legislation.

Here are some other quotes I like. By the way, according to Google, I am one of the most relevant publishers of epigrams on the Internet. If you Google "epigrams" you should see my site (The HyperTexts) high in the rankings. I think the page is well worth exploring, and there are no annoying ads.

It is better to light a candle than curse the darkness.—Eleanor Roosevelt

If you can't be a good example, you'll just have to be a horrible warning.—Catherine the Great

I don't approve of political jokes; I have seen too many of them get elected.—Jon Stewart

I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell.—"Give 'Em Hell" Harry S. Truman

Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country and giving it to the rich people of a poor country.—Ron Paul

How can one live without grace? One has to do what Christianity never did: be concerned with the damned.—Albert Camus

I like your Christ, but not Christianity. You Christians are so unlike your Christ.—Mohandas Gandhi

What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans, and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or in the holy name of liberty or democracy?—Mohandas Gandhi

I think the last quote is very important. Many Americans claim to be Christians, but who can believe that Jesus would have waged wars around the globe in the name of religion and American global supremacy? Whatever happened to "blessed are the peacemakers"? When Ron Paul spoke of the advantages of peace, he was booed. That reminds me of German Christians who were so in love with the military power of the fatherland that they started invading other countries. They soon learned that it's a big world and other people will fight to the death rather than submit.

How many Americans have put two and two together, and realized that Ron Paul is right? Even if we won't seek peace because it is the right thing to do, we must seek peace because we can't afford more unwinnable wars. But Gandhi did give us room for hope:

First they [unjust rulers and governments] ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.—Mohandas Gandhi

By: brrrrk on 2/23/12 at 10:11

During last nights debate candidate Mitt Romney used the word “resolute” when asked to give a one word description of himself. When asked after the debate why he chose the word “resolute” Romney replied, "Well I looked it up in the dictionary and the word just seemed to be just the right length."

By: gdiafante on 2/23/12 at 10:11

Darge, illegals who get paid under the table pay other taxes...like the gas tax, sales tax, etc. Is there really anyone who pays zero taxes? That's a myth.

Besides, "under the table" income is not exclusive to illegal immigrants.

By: Mike Burch on 2/23/12 at 10:19

Yogi,

I have wondered if Romney and Paul might team up. Ron Paul is attacking Santorum by pointing out that he's not really a fiscal conservative.

Having Ron Paul on a Romney ticket would appeal to me, even though right now I favor President Obama. If Romney would get us out of wars in the Middle East, as part of a pact with Paul, suddenly he becomes much more attractive as a candidate.

Ron Paul will appeal to the Tea Party types, to people who want peace rather than war, and to young people who want smaller, less costly, more efficient government.

I only hope that if Ron Paul becomes Romeny's running mate, that he holds firm for peace rather than war. Romney probably can't say that publicly, but he might agree to it privately.

If so, that could be a big positive. But here's another thought: what if President Obama asked Ron Paul to be his running mate, or become a member of his cabinet?

Who knows, perhaps one way or another, Ron Paul can help save the US from World War III ...

By: gdiafante on 2/23/12 at 10:40

You may be stretching the influence of VP. Adding Paul would only be to attract voters. Once the election is over, he'd be relegated to ceremonial gestures at best.

I'm not sure what cabinet post would be appropriate, either.

By: Mike Burch on 2/23/12 at 10:48

Yogi,

My point about Ron Paul going after Santorum is that this helps Romney. Perhaps Ron Paul will get something in return: either the VP spot, or a cabinet position, or some sort of assurance that certain positions of his will be considered or implemented.

If the politician were someone other than Ron Paul, I would be more worried. But he seems like a straight shooter who wants the best for his country. I think he could be a good influence on Romney.

So this may be like a ray of sun shining through dark clouds. Romney is much better than Santorum, who is a real flake.

By: Ask01 on 2/23/12 at 10:50

An excellent observation, Loner.

The law of unintended consequences has bitten more people and society's in the hindquarters then we probably know.

My wife at times questions why I keep all sorts of military manuals dealing with basic survival and other knowledge likely beneficial in a post apocalyptic scenario. I laugh off the subject, explaining the collection is mere memorabilia, something to with which to 'wow' the grandchildren. Just like I gloss over teaching my daughter skills with a crossbow as good clean family fun, an exercise enhancing hand eye co-ordination.

Unfortunately, you now share my secret..........

Seriously, the events I mention are unlikely, but if I am able to cause people to think, perhaps they will become more unlikely.

Have a great day, Loner.

By: Mike Burch on 2/23/12 at 10:55

gdiafante,

I don't think Ron Paul is out for personal gain, or that he would settle for a ceremonious position. If he joins forces with Romney or someone else, I think he will hold out for some sort of assurance that he will have input in certain areas. I don't think he will sell out at this stage in his life.

Things could be getting interesting. If Romney doesn't give him what he wants, he could join forces with Gingrich or some dark horse candidate. He could run as an independent and ensure Barack Obama's election. Or he could join forces with Obama somehow.

If Romney can't muster enough votes on his own, Ron Paul seems like the joker in the pack. He could determine who becomes president. My guess is that he will will want something substantial in return.

By: Loner on 2/23/12 at 10:58

Looks like the "ayes" have it.

Mike, I love your epigram site.

Ron Paul will not be on the GOP or Democratic ticket...ever. The Israel lobby has given him the kiss of political death....the Jewish equivalent of the bacio della morte.

If the Israelis though that RP had a ghost of a chance, they'd have wiped him out years ago...they dismiss the man as a clown and an anti-Semite.

By: Loner on 2/23/12 at 11:02

Have a great day yourself, Ask01...and keep your powder dry.

By: Loner on 2/23/12 at 11:05

I apologize for the flurry of typos....need meds!

By: Loner on 2/23/12 at 11:15

Mike, as to the "kingmaker" role in 2012, my vote is for Bibi Netanyahu, Israel's fiery and unpredictable Prime Minister.

All of the issues now being discussed will seem irrelevant, if the US is sucked into a war with Iran. If that war goes well, Obama gets another term...if the war goes badly, Obama is out....Obama, not Netanyahu would get all the blame; the US media would paint Obama as a total failure - an incompetent and bungling fool..... in over his head.