Up for Debate: Romney's lack of concern

Wednesday, February 1, 2012 at 11:43pm

What do you make of Mitt Romney's comment that he wasn't "concerned about the very poor" because there is a safety net for them? Does it show a multimillionaire out of touch, or has the comment been blown out of proportion? How bad might it hurt him?

 

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By: yogiman on 2/1/12 at 11:41

Sounded like he wasn't too concerned about the welfare state our nation has become.

By: dargent7 on 2/2/12 at 4:52

It just proves who he really is. Has tax shelters in Switzerland, Cayman Islands, Bahamas. What % of Americans have tax havens?
Gingrich is far worse. Is indignant anytime anyone questions anything about his finances or adultery.
So, Romney's the lesser of two evils.

By: gdiafante on 2/2/12 at 6:27

Yogi fact #8

Has a tendancy to procreate with livestock, an unfortunate side-effect of having siblings as parents.

By: dargent7 on 2/2/12 at 6:45

gD: Now, come on. Animal Husbandry is a viable course selection in many of today's colleges.

By: Rasputin72 on 2/2/12 at 7:09

DARGENT7.......Romney is certainly a better option than Obama or Gingrich. As far as wealth goes, most of my friends are wealthy. I have learned that wealthy friends are different from friends who are not wealthly. The difference is that they do not worry about money. All else appears to be the same.

By: govskeptic on 2/2/12 at 7:09

An important part of his statement left out by this and most other press on
this remark. " there is a safety net for them, "and if there's a problem we
will fix it"! The next 9 months will be devoted to Mr. Romney and his income,
not warm or relateable enough, and other distracting elements not relating
at all to his abilities or worthiness of the Presidency! Tar and feather him
while totaling ignoring the bold but ignored promises and failures of the
current Occupant who has proven to be way over his head in all respects!

By: Loner on 2/2/12 at 7:09

Good morning, Nashville.

Romney's remark will fade into oblivion in a few days. I believe that he misspoke...he should have reframed the line....it came out clumsy.

Still, many folks on the right will agree with the notion that the poor are just lazy, dope-smoking, TV-addicted, Air Jordan-wearing, riff-raff....scamming the hard working citizens while living the life of Riley.

The left uses class envy in the same way that the right uses class loathing....to separate "us" from "them" and to galvanize the gullible base. It's an old trick....dating back to the class warfare between the Roman Plebians and the Roman Patricians...the bread & circus years.

By: dargent7 on 2/2/12 at 7:21

re: Wealth. There's several categories with regards to wealth.
But, as a President, For "the People", it's ALL people.
Not segments here and there. He's out of touch.
America hates Obama who rose from oblivion, with nothing, and is self-made.
Sure, he had some help along the way, but we destroy the very thing we appear to cherish.
Now, it's all about money, how much, and million dollar donors.
The office of US President goes to the highest bidder.

By: Curtis Maxwell on 2/2/12 at 7:39

curtis maxwell Yes Romney is nothing but a demon looking to put us in war. P EOPLE we need to listen to his speeches,check this speach out he said on national broadcast T.V. Romney said he would use his faith and will offer perpectives on how his faith would inform his Presidency if he is elected.Then PEOPLE ROMNEY truns around and said let me assure you that no authorities of my church or of any other church for that matter,will never exert influience on his president decisions. PEOPLE if we vote for this man ,it is like selling our souls to the ANCIENT SPIRIT this man is a demon.he is like king saul of the divine book.your sons and dorthers will be made to fight in unjust wars,we have just put some demons out of the white house,we must not put none back in ,this man has no care for the poor and just because you make 40 to 50 thousand a year you are still poor.listen to his speeches,he is telling us,he is a demon. if you believe in the majesty son ,you will listen.

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By: yogiman on 2/2/12 at 7:49

gdiafarte,

You're trying to copy your favorite BSer too much. What do I mean? By making stupid statements about some things you know nothing about.

By: yogiman on 2/2/12 at 7:55

Question: If any other of our presidents had used a forged document as the basis of the moratorium that would render 87000 American workers unemployed, would you support him?

By: Moonglow1 on 2/2/12 at 8:12

Moonglow1: Neither Romney nor his Super PAC-Man money friends have any interest in fixing the social safety net. I believe that multinationals are bankrolling elections with the goal of crushing the middle class so that they will have a steady supply of cheap labor. Some may be tiring of Communist China and prefer to return to the USA, but at maximum profit which means slave worker "right to work" nation.

Unfortunately the American public still believes in Santa Claus. So does Romney. Except his Santa comes wrapped in a Super PAC whose goal is to crush the middle class. So the goal has already been met for "the poor. " No need to mess with them. The goal of the multinationals has been met. Now on to the middle class. Crush them down to "poor status. ". Why do you think these Super PACs are pouring money like water. Not for you the public. Their agenda is far different.

What is really ironic is this: just for a week, stop purchasing any products. We are fueling the multinationals. The American economy functions because we buy products. Don't buy any. Don't shop at Wal Mart. Shop local small stores. We can stop them while we still count.

By: gdiafante on 2/2/12 at 8:17

Yogi fact #9

Considers himself a wit, but is only half right.

By: yogiman on 2/2/12 at 8:17

It looks like Barry is getting a little concerned about the court he refused to attend in Georgia. He refused to show and his attorney refused to show placing themselves above the law.

The judge didn't back down and is holding him accountable... at least for the time being.

I understand Tennessee is one of several other states coming up with the issue of qualification proof.

2012 is going to be one helluva year of history in the USA.

By: yogiman on 2/2/12 at 8:20

What the heck, gdiafarte, that's not bad when it outscores you.

By: Loner on 2/2/12 at 8:26

Curtis Maxwell, welcome to the forum. Are you suggesting that Romney is a Satanist? Please explain.

By: Mike Burch on 2/2/12 at 9:01

I don't think the US is the victim of ancient spirits and foreign conspiracies. Our main wounds are self-inflicted, and the GOP as a party has been heading in the wrong direction for a long time. That's why I left the party, because to vote for any Republican means to vote for the party platform. That party includes:

Warmongering overseas, using our military to bully other nations into submission, especially over oil.

Favoring the 1% over the 99%.

Spending trillions of dollars on wars and a vast military empire and refusing to raise taxes on the wealthiest Americans, which means more and more of the burden falls on the people who can afford it least.

The only Republican who makes any sense is Ron Paul, but he probably can't win either as a Republican or an independent. If we want to change our nation's direction, this leaves only Barack Obama at present. No, he's not perfect, but he's a damn sight better than Romney and Gingrich, because they both subscribe to ideologies that will lead to more wars and national bankruptcy.

By: Loner on 2/2/12 at 9:21

True enough, Mike, but Gingrich and Romney are more honest about it...they admit that they will engage in provocative actions as POTUS; like moving the US Embassy from Tel Aviv, to Jerusalem, as a first order of business.

Obama talked the talked, but balked at walking the walk....the new boss is the same as the old boss....the War Super-lobby, Defense, Israel & Energy, (DIE), dictates Middle East policy to the president.

Sheldon and Miriam Adelson, incredibly wealthy super-Zionists and unabashed dual-allegiance Americans, donated $10 million to a Super-PAC backing Gingrich....Newt is now their gentile bitch...thanks to Citizens United.

For a lousy ten million, the Israelis have purchased Newt Gingrich...and it's all perfectly legal. The Christian base would say it is Newt's duty to kow tow to our Israeli overlords....as a secular humanist and small "d" democrat, I vigorously disagree with that. Newt has sold out to foreign interests...no doubt about it....Newt has a criminal streak, IMO.

By: BenDover on 2/2/12 at 9:25

Barrack's economic record is deficits $1,000,000,000,000+ over trend every year he's been in office and the big hits of Obama-care have not even kicked in yet. This is in ADDITION to blowing the $500,000,000,000 in TARP repayments. Our economic situation is far worse than the late 70's but he's masked the symptoms on the backs of our grandchildren and great grandchildren so he won't have face the consequence of his horrific economic ineptitude.

Another 4 years of an unchecked Obama will be a disaster this country will never recover from.

Mitt's right. We do have a safety net for the poor... a safety hammock in fact, but until we address the overall economic situation and end the tone of class warfare and the uncertainty that's depressing economic output we are only treating the symptom not the disease.

By: bfra on 2/2/12 at 9:26

Loner - You didn't mention that Newt has morales, lower than an alley cat. Why would anyone want that as President?

By: yogiman on 2/2/12 at 9:35

Mike,

As to your concept, Obama may be better than Romney and Gingrich, but there is a major difference between them. They are constitutionally qualified for the office. Obama isn't.

A point in question: Is he, in fact, an American citizen?

By: Rasputin72 on 2/2/12 at 9:42

There are a lot of shut-ins and lower income people who control this forum.

By: yogiman on 2/2/12 at 9:45

Well bfra,

If anyone things whore monger Bill Clinton was a better man than Gingrich, where did they get their concept? Because Clinton only 'screwed' in the Oval Office and Gingrich was married three times?

Or is it perhaps because he's a Republican and Clinton is a Democrat?

By: yogiman on 2/2/12 at 9:47

Plus us retired old fa.ts, Rasputin72.

By: bfra on 2/2/12 at 9:53

yogi - No one expects your minus zero brain to see the difference.

By: pswindle on 2/2/12 at 9:55

I think some forget that when Bush stole the election in 2000, that he walked ino a surplus that he inherited from the Clinton/Gore administration. One of the first laws that Bush did was to give him and his brothers of the GOP big tax cuts. He could not wait to start a war in Iraq. The opportunity was given to him on 911. He is the one that really started the downfall of America. Bush was like a little boy, he started his star-wars and then lost interest in it. He forgot about finding the one that bombed us and he said, "we will get him dead or alive." Then he was tired of being president, so he hid out as much as he could the last few years that he was in office. You could look into his eyes and see that he had lost all interest in doing his job as president. President Obama had to come in and make tough decisions to keep America's head above water. You have to spend money in order to save the very basis of life. That is what he has had to do. Thank God, we had a smart man that knew what had to be done.

By: Loner on 2/2/12 at 10:00

Ben Dover, my old friend, still blames the lingering "uncertainty" in the economy on president Obama...Ben blamed the specter of an Obama presidency for the economic collapse that started on 9/15/08, more than 4 months before Obama took the Oath of Office. So this blame Obama game is an ongoing right-wing narrative. Ben's got it down.

The "smart money" saw the advent of a liberal black man, as US President, as the proverbial writing on the wall...they took their "well-earned" profits and, according to Ben, the smart money did the smart thing....they split....they vamoosed....went under...whatever.

After the big boys left town, (Lehman Bros. started the stampede), it was a mad scramble...economic musical chairs....and the US public was left without a chair to sit on....and it's all Obama's fault...the biggest melt down since 1929.....it's all because of Obama and his mentor, Saul Alinsky...the all-purpose boogey men.

But now we can trust a white Republican man to restore economic vitality to the nation...according to Doctor Dover....the smart money will return, once the "uncertainty" has been removed....happy days will be here again.

I don't think that the majority of Americans agree with the Doctor's diagnosis and prescription. Obama looks good for a second term, at this point in time, IMO.

By: yogiman on 2/2/12 at 10:02

BenDover,

You couldn't be more correct on you comment; "Another 4 years of an unchecked Obama will be a disaster this country will never recover from."

If he, in fact, usurps that office again, he will have succeeded in his takeover of the USA... with congressional backing.

At this point, I'll argue Obama is the least of our worries. The President is only an "upfront" figure. Congress controls this nation. They make the laws, they accept the laws or they deny the laws, and they allowed Obama to take that office unconstitutionally in 2008.

Considering the fact they passed that NDAA bill with the vast majorities of both sections of the Legislative Branch of the Congress should wake the people up.

By: Loner on 2/2/12 at 10:07

Bfra, my "moral standards" are not beyond reproach, ergo I did not mention Gingrich's "morals", or lack thereof.

Newt is a hypocrite....he went after Bill Clinton for a BJ, but he slept with his aide, Caligula the Coiffed, most every night...whenevr his 2nd wife was not in DC.

Alley cats are not hypocrites...Newt is lower than an alley cat, IMO.

Only humans are capable of hypocrisy; in this sense we are inferior to the remainder of Creation....IMO.

By: yogiman on 2/2/12 at 10:13

pswindle,

If Al could have carried his own home state, Bush couldn't have "stolen" it from him, could he?

Which raises another question: Why was so many GIs stationed overseas denied the vote? There can only be one of two answers. It would have assured him the win or assured him of the loss. So what was he thinking when he blocked their count?

By: yogiman on 2/2/12 at 10:17

Well Loner,

At least he wasn't screwing her in the Oval Office. Or even on Capital Hill for that matter, and a man's personal life is none of our business. We should only be concerned about their work for our nation.

By: yogiman on 2/2/12 at 10:25

pswindle,

Who was in office when the numbers of the military was reduced and the National Guard was started being used overseas?

You should do a little more research on your boy Billy to see why he came up with a "surplus" But then you want to blame Bush.

Well, Barry put this nation deeper into debt than all presidents combined before him in less than three years. Bush couldn't come close in his eight years.

By: Loner on 2/2/12 at 10:27

Ben Dover blames the specter of an Obama Presidency for the financial collapse that began on September 15, 2008.

A more plausible explanation for why the "smart money" pulled up stakes and headed for the exits, starting on that particular date, lies in the fact that Sarah Palin had been selected by Senator McCain, as his running mate, just two weeks earlier. The "smart money" recognized McCain's blunder and may have reacted to that unsettling development.

The smart money may have read the following CNN article, and decided to hunker down, batten the hatches, fold their tents, move offshore etc.:

McCain taps Alaska Gov. Palin as vice president pick

August 29, 2008

Sen. John McCain announced Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his vice presidential candidate Friday, calling her "the running mate who can best help me shake up Washington."

"She's exactly who this country needs to help me fight the same old Washington politics of me first and country second," the presumptive Republican nominee said at a Dayton, Ohio, rally of about 15,000 supporters, who welcomed the surprise pick of the relatively unknown politician with cheers and flags.

"She's got the grit, integrity, good sense and fierce devotion to the common good that is exactly what we need in Washington today," McCain said.

Source:
http://articles.cnn.com/2008-08-29/politics/palin.republican.vp.candidate_1_safety-commissioner-walt-monegan-sarah-palin-alaska-gov?_s=PM:POLITICS

The specter of an Alaskan bimbo, a heartbeat away from an aging POTUS, may have spooked the financial herd...a stampede occurred shortly after the news sunk in....it's all Palin's fault!

By: JeffF on 2/2/12 at 10:32

Moonglow made a statement I found interesting regarding "fixing the social safety net". I was not aware the net was broken. The net seems to be doing a terrific job of capturing everyone it was intended to capture.

By: Loner on 2/2/12 at 10:41

McCain was right, Palin "shook up" Washington, DC and Wall Street...a financial earthquake resulted when she wiggled her tectonic plates and thrust her volcanic peaks into the picture....she belched gas...lots of heat, but no light...sensing the impending temblor, Lehman Brothers hauled @$$, just before the catastrophe struck.

Obama was forced to deal with the quake, the eruptions and the numerous aftershocks....with no help from the guys who brought it all upon us....just cat calls

Our president has done a remarkable job, considering the monumental disaster he inherited from Bush-Cheney and the ham-handed Republicans.

By: BenDover on 2/2/12 at 10:55

That scenario might be reasonable except for the double dip that hit on election day and after Loner.

Clinton's only credit for his term was riding an economic wave that he was forced not to screw up by the first republican run congress in decades (enter Newt). That economic boom had it's roots in the peace dividend of the end of the cold war where the people held true to Reagan's demand to "... tear down this wall".

That resulted in the tech-boom that caught everyone off guard, especially Bill and Al. but they were happy to take credit for it. The thing that ended the tax revenue rise was that those 2 earner professional households that income inflation had promoted to the new highly punitive tax brackets began to realize about 50% - 60% of the 2nd income was going to taxes in one form or another. The party was fun but a year or two of taxman hang-over was enough to encourage the 2nd earners to begin to play defense with the family budget rather than offense. Throw in the election uncertainty in 2000 that dried up the VC money, Enron and Worldcom collapse, the dot.com bubble burst and it is evident that lingering Holy legacy of Clinton is another liberal castle built on a foundation of sand.

By: brrrrk on 2/2/12 at 11:02

Consider this.....

There are over 360 million people in this country. Of that population, there are approximately 8000 whose net worth is greater than that of Romney's.

By: BenDover on 2/2/12 at 11:22

And for just another needle in the eye to liberalism... part of the problem with unemployment (especially in the lower cost of living rural areas) is because of the raising of the minimum wage. We've had a 41% rise in the minimum wage since 2007 with no corresponding match in income inflation .

Wonder where the jobs have gone? Just kill off all of the moss and algae and watch what happens to the food chain in the world my friends.

Hopefully though Romney won't state this truth or he'll really catch a ton of sh*t over it too.

By: Kosh III on 2/2/12 at 11:44

"Wonder where the jobs have gone? "

Gone to communist China, communist Vietnam, Indonesia, Pakistan, Mexico........

any place where the workforce is cheap, labor laws are non-existent, profits are skyhigh and Gingrich and Armey can use child labor .....

By: BigPapa on 2/2/12 at 12:00

Gingrich and Armey... how about the beloved Steve Jobs.. he marketed himself as a hippie friendly anti-business person, "a guy on the out side" but look at who he employs in Asia and how they are treated.

The Robber barrons of the turn of the century would be proud.

By: Loner on 2/2/12 at 12:14

Ben objects to raising the minimum wage..he may reject the idea of a minimum wage itself. Ben forgets that a rising tide lifts all boats.

We should our nation by how we treat our most vulnerable citizens....right?

By: Loner on 2/2/12 at 12:15

s/h/b: We should judge our nation by how we treat our most vulnerable citizens....right?

By: BenDover on 2/2/12 at 12:59

So telling people it's illegal for them to work for less than a certain wage is helping them, how?

Go to rural low cost of living areas and you'll see that this policy of minimum wage so en-vogue by the liberals has helped price American unskilled and semi-skilled entry level labor out of the world market.

Whereas it made sense in the past to throw local labor at something it now it prohibitive cost wise so you see a lot more outsourcing of that labor (via imported goods) and extensive mechanization and automation.

Taxing the imports to try to balance it out is no good because the inflationary pressure on the goods hurts the same consumers you wish to help by adding jobs and it makes our own products less competitive in the world market. It's a zero gain proposition with an inefficient government middle-man so it's by definition a net loss.

When are you people ever going to realize your cure is the cause.

By: pswindle on 2/2/12 at 1:00

Al lost TN because this great state has hit the bottom with the right -winged christians running it., plain and simple. Until the people wake up and stop letting the churches brain-wash them, we are hopeless. Bush/Cheney caused this recession and mess because of their greed for money and power.

By: BenDover on 2/2/12 at 1:05

Al Gore lost Tennessee because of his positions on Gun Control.

By: Loner on 2/2/12 at 1:11

Ben asked, "So telling people it's illegal for them to work for less than a certain wage is helping them, how? "

By informing workers that they are being exploited, if they work for less than the minimum wage, one is helping them, right? Should we keep these things a secret, Ben?

If there was no minimum wage, no safety net, no unions and no regulation of human exploitation, then a situation would exist in which a growing number of people would be desperate enough to work for slave wages....this is the present situation in much of the developing world...Ben Dover would have us emulate that failed model.