Up for Debate: Sandy, Benghazi and Obama

Wednesday, October 31, 2012 at 12:57am

Do you believe President Obama — as has been asserted — has benefitted from the news coverage of Hurricane Sandy while questions over the response to the Benghazi attacks continue to mount? Some have questioned not only the Obama administration's response to the deadly attack but also the most recent media coverage of what happened that night last month, implying some media outlets are ignoring reports of a "stand down" order to the CIA. What are your thoughts?

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By: Ask01 on 10/31/12 at 1:51

Weather forecasting is, despite huges strides forward, still a best guess science. Granted, the guesses are becoming more accurate, but Mother Nature still calls the shots no matter how advanced we consider ourselves.

All humanity can do is hope forecasters form the most reliable predictions based on past models and indicators, combined with the latest data to provide the best guess.

Short of being in the middle of the storm and filling sandbags, I don't know what else President Obama could do to aid those in the path of the storm. Based on past experience helping with disaster relief, most would prefer politicians stay out of the area as their presence is more of a distraction than a benefit. Mayor Dean was lauded, somewhat excessively I thought, for his actions during the 2010 floods, when all he did was allow the experts to perform their jobs, which they did admirably.

President Obama can do nothing more than allow the proper federal and local agencies whatever support they require to speed recovery.

At least he did not have to backtrack on foolish comments suggesting the dismantling of agencies as a waste of money.

They best way to surprise an enemy, particularly one as cowardly as terrorists, is to play your cards close and keep a poker face. I hope President Obama keeps a tight grip on our reaction to Benghazi forcing those responsible to keep looking over their shoulder anticipating sudden death from any direction, only becoming aware in the last few seconds of their miserable, ill begotten lives that they have arrived at the hopefully painful end.

If their was an intelligence failure, let's not tell the terrorists, giving them not only encouragement, but an opportunity to repeat the tactic. Fix the shortcoming in house, quietly, and let them discover the hard way. If anything, I like the concept of practicing tactical deception, releasing bogus information as to why the attack was successful, so hopefully the next time we can remove the threat early with extreme prejudice.

In the intelligence game, one should always question if reports are factual representations or what the Russian KGB practiced called, I believe, 'maskravka' (spelling uncertain) or tactical deception. (Where have I heard that recently?)

All in all, I believe President Obama has done very well.

Much preferable to a potentially disastrous Willard administration, which would have gutted FEMA and probably outsourced intelligence collection to China or perhaps Bangladesh.

Just one humble insomniacs opinion.

By: Rasputin72 on 10/31/12 at 3:36

All three are great tragedies!

By: gdiafante on 10/31/12 at 5:04

"Some" media is Fox. They've devoted 24/7 to Benghazi. Why? Because the economy is improving, so they're fishing for something to nail the President on. It's common knowledge for those who have more than 5 brain cells.

The ironic part is that Fox and the GOP (which are essentially one and the same) have been harping for months about how it's the economy stupid. Suddenly, it's not.

It's looking like another intelligence failure, not on the level of 9/11 or Iraq, but a failure nontheless. You'd think after about a decade we'd be able to get our act together. But, as I understand it, the investigation is active, so we should probably let it play out.

Regarding Sandy, I've already illustrated my distaste for politicizing the storm.

By: Captain Nemo on 10/31/12 at 5:47

Sandy is still unfolding and we have yet to see all the devastation. Benghazi is being used as a wedge by the fringe to wrestle control of power. Obama is doing what a leader is suppose to do in such times.

By: Captain Nemo on 10/31/12 at 5:56

Now for the big clown, Trump is trying to regain the spotlight from the storm. He has extended his offer to Obama of five million to his favorite charity. If Trump was not such a showboat he would use that money toward the victims with out the stunt.

By: Ummm... on 10/31/12 at 6:01

Trump is a chump. If Mitt Romney will release his last ten tax returns, I will donate a gazillion dollars to his favorite "charity" (which, as we all know, is that cult known as the "Mormons").

By: jvh2b on 10/31/12 at 6:29

My thoughts are that whoever makes up these topics clearly reads our comments...

That being said: PLEASE QUIT FEEDING THE TROLLS. =)

By: Captain Nemo on 10/31/12 at 6:36

There is a real danger from the secondary kill in the aftermath of the storm. This will not be as spectacular as the storm, but could be just as deadly.

By: Captain Nemo on 10/31/12 at 6:37

Amen to that jvh2b

By: gdiafante on 10/31/12 at 6:47

I thought the same thing, jvh2b, but I think inquiring about Benghazi is legitimate, I just also believe that this is essentially an election tactic. It would be the same if the sides were reversed...they would use any issue to gain the upper hand.

I think that the person or persons who are responsible should be held accountable, but so far there's only speculation during an ongoing investigation. Either way, looks like another banner year for our intelligence community...isn't that an oxymoron?

By: Blanketnazi2 on 10/31/12 at 6:50

Nemo, the aftermath usually is worse. Is your daughter still here in TN?

By: Blanketnazi2 on 10/31/12 at 6:51

http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/benghazi.asp

Officials did not watch as the attacks unfolded in real time. MORE LIES.

By: yogiman on 10/31/12 at 6:53

You're exposing your arrogant ignorance, jvh2b.

And Ummm, why are you so arguably wanting to see Mitt Romney's tax records but you aren't interested in seeing any of Barack Obama's papers. Especially since you have no idea who in the hell he is.

And doesn't it mean anything to you he's getting the backing of all of the well known communist, like Castro, Putin and Chavez? Is that your way of admitting you are a fellow communist with Barry?

By: gdiafante on 10/31/12 at 6:55

[click] ..!.

By: yogiman on 10/31/12 at 6:59

Ask01,

There wasn't a mistake in the Libya situation. Obama simply refuse to send aid to those men. The former Navy SEAL was told to stand down but refused and went to the aid of the Ambassador.

It has been brought out the attack was seen in the White House from the drone.

If Barry Soetoro pulls his usurpation off again and Congress let's him get away with it, you can kiss the old USA goodbye.

I hope you all enjoy living in the USSA.

By: Captain Nemo on 10/31/12 at 7:01

Just heard from my godson in Jersey City, he is doing better than some on his block and there is water all around him. His only complaint is that his a little cold.

By: Kosh III on 10/31/12 at 7:02

"If Mitt Romney will release his last ten tax returns, I will donate a gazillion dollars to his favorite "charity" (which, as we all know, is that cult known as the "Mormons").

But which god will get the money? Mormons have 3 principle deities and many many minor gods. Or is Willard going to try to buy his own planet and his own godhood?

By: Blanketnazi2 on 10/31/12 at 7:04

Kosh, IMO no religious organization should be tax exempt. That's the best way to fix the problem! No tax loopholes for the fundamentalist crazies!

By: Loner on 10/31/12 at 7:04

Do you believe President Obama — as has been asserted — has benefitted from the news coverage of Hurricane Sandy while questions over the response to the Benghazi attacks continue to mount?

Just one "t" in benefited; but seriously, the President has acted presidential before, during, during and after the big storm; the News media are reporting that.

If BHO had screwed up, like Junior Bush and "Brownie" did, during Katrina, we would never hear the end of it from FOX and the right-wing blowhards.

Some have questioned not only the Obama administration's response to the deadly attack but also the most recent media coverage of what happened that night last month, implying some media outlets are ignoring reports of a "stand down" order to the CIA. What are your thoughts?

As for the Benghazi tragedy, the loss of life is regrettable, but trying to put the blame personally on President Obama is simply crass partisanship on the part of the increasingly desperate GOP. Romney's team is trying to exploit the deaths in Benghazi for political gain....very shabby indeed.

Certainly, mistakes were made in Benghazi, but to insinuate the the POTUS deliberately left those Americans exposed to danger, to be slaughtered by a mob, is Republican hate-speech.

By: Captain Nemo on 10/31/12 at 7:06

(FLUSH)

By: Captain Nemo on 10/31/12 at 7:07

Blanket she lives in South Carolina and she is still there.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 10/31/12 at 7:08

Well said, Loner.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 10/31/12 at 7:08

That's good, Nemo.

By: bfra on 10/31/12 at 7:09

(flush)

By: yogiman on 10/31/12 at 7:09

Click it all you want, folks. You're showing your ignorance more every day.

But consider: The man in the Oval Office has refused to identify himself from the beginning. That point has been made for over 4 years now. Why has the states allowed him to be placed on their ballots without proof of eligibility? Will the Electoral College vote him in again without affirming his Constitutional eligibility and will the Senate accept their vote without affirming his Constitutional eligibility?

At my age, it doesn't matter a lot. And with you all backing a man whom you have no idea who he is, I can't feel sorry for you, but I do feel sorry for your children and the grandchildren of the future because, as I've said, the USA will become a communist nation.

By: Captain Nemo on 10/31/12 at 7:10

Amen Loner. Holy Politics Sucks.

By: gdiafante on 10/31/12 at 7:10

[click] ..!.

By: Loner on 10/31/12 at 7:11

Keep the religions tax exempt...if you tax them, they will have a right to craft public policy..as it is now, they are encroaching on matters of state, let's not make that encroachment legal.

We need to pull the plug the Bush-era Faith Based Initiative, for example...but BHO reneged there too...he increased their budget and scope....he's a phony secularist....he's a crafty politician, not a crusader....but the alternative is far worse....hold your nose and vote for Obama.

By: bfra on 10/31/12 at 7:11

Loner - Agree with Blanket on "well said"! Romneyites are not only clutching for straws, they are digging rock bottom for them. IMO signs of a failing bid.

By: Captain Nemo on 10/31/12 at 7:12

(Stupid)

By: Loner on 10/31/12 at 7:13

Thanks, Bn and Captain Nemo, for the kind words.

Now, to avoid the troll droppings......(click)

By: Blanketnazi2 on 10/31/12 at 7:13

OK, you have a good point on the exempt thing, Loner. I never thought of it that way.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 10/31/12 at 7:15

When the only thing the Romney supporters have is conspiracies and lies, you gotta wonder. I'm disappointed and more than a little bewildered that so many people blindly support him.

By: bfra on 10/31/12 at 7:15

Loner - Religions can stay tax exempt, but all the "for profit" enterprises they are running now, should not be tax exempt. Churches are not just for religion anymore, they are a business.

By: Loner on 10/31/12 at 7:17

Thank you too, Bfra.

It will all come down to how a handful of independents vote in OH, FL and PA..the popular vote is meaningless, so I hope that Bishop Romney does win the popular vote...but loses the EC count. I want to hear the right-wingers howl....they love the discredited states rights concept; let it bite them on the arse.

By: jvh2b on 10/31/12 at 7:19

Don't get me wrong gd...it is important, but given the cries of the fringe loons like parnell whining about this issue when Sandy was going on...it seems like the paper is feeding the trolls because they whine.

I will say I sure am looking forward to the election being over...either way it goes, it's gonna make our resident dingbat look the fool. Romney wins (god forbid) and no marshal law..yup...you’re a sorry racist sack of it...Obama wins...MUAHAHAHAHA suck it. And in 4 more years we STILL won't be a commie nation...but we will still have to deal with 4 more years of irrational beating of a dead horse and ignoring logic and facts.

By: Captain Nemo on 10/31/12 at 7:21

The bigger religions are now more like corporation and can very well be considered people, by the laws of the Supreme Court.

By: Loner on 10/31/12 at 7:22

I say let the churches cheat on paying taxes on their profit-making operations, if that is the case...that is preferable to formally admitting them into the decision-making process in matters of state.

True, many of the born-again mega-churches are simply scams and flimflam operations, if there is a God, he/she can deal with punishing the creeps.....they have a way of self-imploding....give the Jesus scamsters enough rope and they will hang themselves....they get to infighting over the profits etc. and then somebody blows the whistle on the filthy operation....that's the usual MO.

By: BenDover on 10/31/12 at 7:26

One was an unavoidable act of God... the other was a wholly avoidable act of man.

By: bfra on 10/31/12 at 7:28

(click)

By: Loner on 10/31/12 at 7:29

Speaking of the sacred profits, Billy Graham has yanked the Mormon church off its list of "cults". Bishop Romney made a personal appeal to Billy and his son Franklin....they used the Dogma Removal Tool (DRT), as seen on TV....removes unwanted dogma from your soles, so you don't track it in! Just $19.95...Order Now! and get two Dogma Removal Tools for that same low price. Makes a great holiday gift for the Jesus-freak on your list.

If Romney gets in, he will be grateful to the Billy Graham operation...very grateful.

By: Captain Nemo on 10/31/12 at 7:32

You are absolute correct, Ben. We should have never gone into Iraq.

By: yogiman on 10/31/12 at 7:33

Isn't it strange, gdiafante, that a slight improvement of the economy has begun to tip toe just a couple of weeks before the election?

And doesn't it make you wonder why Obama still refuses to identify himself?

By: Loner on 10/31/12 at 7:34

Ben still clings to the idea that Obama deliberately left those Americans to die like dogs at the hands of an Islamist mob and/or a professional hit squad....Hundreds of thousand of innocent people died in the elective Bush wars - an act of man - but Ben does not blame Bush for a single death....Ben still carries the torch for the Bush family political dynasty....he even likes Jeb Bush for POTUS....he's a die-hard Republican who believes in political dynasties and nepotism...bless his undemocratic heart.

By: bfra on 10/31/12 at 7:35

(flush)

By: bfra on 10/31/12 at 7:36

Loner - Ben is yogi, jr.

By: Loner on 10/31/12 at 7:40

Yogi has a one-track mind, Bfra...just one old & tired train on that track: The Usurper Special.

Ben Dover, on the other hand, can carry on a decent debate, on a wide variety of subjects...so, I don't think it's fair to lump the troll and Ben into the same category.

By: Captain Nemo on 10/31/12 at 7:42

yogi Jr. sounds like replacement for a yogurt. lol

By: gdiafante on 10/31/12 at 7:42

So Ben admits that God killed about 100 people...it was his will...just like rape...right, nutjob?

Of course, this fails to acknowledge the concept of God being a non-interventionist...you know, after the resurrection, he was hands-off...that's part of the new covenant with man...

By: Captain Nemo on 10/31/12 at 7:44

Ben does have good taste in cars. ;->