Up for Debate: School board seeks counsel

Wednesday, April 3, 2013 at 1:05am

How do feel about the Metro school board's decision to seek outside counsel in the charter authorizer fight? Is it the next logical step or a step too far?

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By: Rasputin72 on 4/3/13 at 3:23

The truth of the matter is that no one of sound mind believes that a public school system that has been abandonded by by the productive public is worth saving.

The free lunch and breakfast supporters want charter schools that can be manipulated to a greater degree. The school board and the teachers union want to keep their jobs (such that they be) The politicians would like nothing more than to transfer the yoke of educating the uneducable to another forum.

The productive and influential public who have their children and grandchildren in TRUE private schools look on in bewilderment and indifference.

Williamson county and other prosperous sirrpunding county residents think the drive to Nashvill and back every day is onerous but thank their higher power for not subjecting their children to the inner city culture of Davidson county.

Charter schools the answer to even more chaos and graft and fraudelent education.

By: Loner on 4/3/13 at 4:58

Good morning, Nashville.

If you are seeking outside counsel, seek outside counsel, not some insider BS...this is serious business; take it seriously...Gov. Haslam, Mayor Dean and this Huffman character are three shady hustlers looking to screw the Metro School Board out of millions of taxpayer dollars...it's a sham, a scam and a flim-flam....lawyer up!

Remember, Charter Schools are a form of corporate welfare wherein the taxpayers pick up the tab for privatized education...the main "appeal" is that Charter Schools are anti-union scab schools....anything labelled "union" is automatically despised in the old confederacy......so, bend over and squeal like a pig, you scab-lovers!

By: Loner on 4/3/13 at 5:28

One must ask, what is the role of the Joe C. Davis Foundation in all this intrigue and back room deal-making? Mayor Dean's wife, heiress to the Davis coal-mining fortune and the Davis Foundation could be off-stage players in this deceitful drama....something stinks here.

By: govskeptic on 4/3/13 at 5:52

If Charter Schools are Corporate Welfare, how is that any different than a long tried
public school system that is a total failure in their responsibilities at a huge cost
to the taxpayers as well? At least the Charters can be closed if they fail and
also have the flexibility to actual succeed in their duties to educate. Good
teachers can be encouraged and those not qualified or motivated can be
dismissed to move onto something more fitting with possibly a Union nanny.

As to outside council for this process, the Chair-lady of the School Board is driving
this with the failed notion she will run the show and win the battle at any
cost. Of course, she and the board have already cost the city some 3 million
on the issue, so what a couple hundred thousand more much needed dollars.

By: Loner on 4/3/13 at 6:11

Gov...we both know that "white flight" from the Southern public schools took place, as a direct result of the court-ordered integration of the formerly segregated Southern public schools. That and white flight to the suburbs left the urban public schools in a bind.

Private Christian schools and home-schooling were attempts to circumvent the intent of the Civil Rights Law.....charter schools - publicly funded privatized schools - are the other alternative.

The underlying problems are still there.....racism....religious bigotry....the generalized loathing of organized labor....neglect and corruption....there will be no remedy for what ails the Southern public school systems, unless those issues are recognized and dealt with.

By: bfra on 4/3/13 at 6:13

Dean's wife has kinfolk in the charter school business. Gotta get their part of the taxpayer's pie while Dean is still in office. Crooks at work daily in our Gov. dealings.

By: yogiman on 4/3/13 at 6:25

The Board of Education's business is to educate the children, not take them under their wing to replace their parents and feed them. That active role is called socialism.

By: Loner on 4/3/13 at 6:35

I think that my years of posting here on the Nashville City Paper have taught me a few things about the Tennessee mindset....of course, there are notable exceptions to the rule....but here are the Ten Tenacious Tennessee Tenets:

The Biblical account of the Creation is the Gospel truth.

The US Constitution and US Civil and Criminal law is based upon the Ten Commandments.

Jesus was a non-union (scab) carpenter, who carried a weapon and believed in self-defense, the death penalty and the Jewish State concept.

The War of Northern Aggression unjustly targeted freedom-loving Southerners.

The Second Amendment provides constitutional justification for armed rebellion against the government.

Slavery had little or nothing to do with the Great Secession and the war that followed; it was all about taxes and tariffs.

The federal government steals freedom and liberty; state governments expand freedom and liberty.

The "poor" are lazy.

Environmentalists are socialists.

PACs and Super-PACs are a good thing, not a bad thing.

OK. How did I do?

By: Loner on 4/3/13 at 6:38

Mrs. Dean has kinfolk in the charter schools biz? Mystery solved.

By: Loner on 4/3/13 at 6:51

Here's the age-old problem with rule by royal families:

The king was in his counting house,
Counting out his money;
The queen was in the parlour,
Eating bread and honey.

Is that what we have here, in Nashville, TN?

By: Blanketnazi2 on 4/3/13 at 6:58

Not bad, Loner. You forgot this one:

The U.S. is a Christian nation.

Corporate welfare rewards the productive class and is a good thing.

By: Loner on 4/3/13 at 7:01

Excellent additions, BN...that makes 12...a holy number...Southern Precepts: The Dixie Dozen?

By: Blanketnazi2 on 4/3/13 at 7:03

OK, I actually snuck two more in there. I hit post before I edited my first line. LOL

By: Loner on 4/3/13 at 7:04

I am so lucky...so fortunate...to have found notable exceptions to the rule right here on these NCP boards.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 4/3/13 at 7:04

Loner, the mentality also includes only acknowledging that which you agree with and ignoring the rest. Sort of like how some "Christians" read and apply the Bible.

By: Loner on 4/3/13 at 7:05

You have two more precepts, Bn? Please share.

By: yogiman on 4/3/13 at 7:06

If you guys would do a little research, you would find the communist way of getting into a nation to gain control would be through education... one step at a time. They aren't in a hurry.

Consider today, all schools are teaching the same subjects and is furnishing the books.

In my childhood (I know, that means nothing to you immature kids) each school determined what subject they would teach the children and the teachers determined what textbook would be used in their class. They had privately owned bookstores and we had to buy our books.

What makes you think everyone should have the same education and think the same on all subjects?

By: Rasputin72 on 4/3/13 at 7:08

LONER........As I posted in earlier forum, the Euro who took a look at an African fishing for his dinner and had the dastardly thought that this person had "qualities" that would solve the labor problem in the agricultural mecca called the new world brought forth the greatest human injustice of all time.

By the way, one could tweek your 7:35 a bit and 95% of the people who have their children in private Davidson schools would probably agree with you.

Some narrow minded people just refuse to believe that all men are not created equal. Anyone with bat sense and one eye can see that equality of man is apparent. I know that I am preaching to the choir when I say that to you but there are others on this forum whothink the 1964. "Great Leap Forward" was a failure.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 4/3/13 at 7:08

Yes, there are exceptions. Nashville has a lot of people who moved here from other places so it's a mid-state oasis and there are people like Nemo who were raised here but see things as they truly are.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 4/3/13 at 7:11

Here you go, Loner.....

Education is optional, not necessary.

Unions are bad.

By: yogiman on 4/3/13 at 7:12

Interesting, Loner, you say Jesus believed in self defense and carried a weapon yet you don't believe in self defense and carrying a weapon.

Doesn't your church believe in following Jesus as your leader you know: You know, like a parent?

By: Blanketnazi2 on 4/3/13 at 7:12

Further on my comment regarding education.....

The purpose of education, especially higher education, is only to achieve more money - not to learn more about the world and have an expanded worldview.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 4/3/13 at 7:22

See what I mean about education, Loner?

By: govskeptic on 4/3/13 at 7:24

What good is a worldview if you're sitting in your parents basement at age 25
with a degree in sociology and can't get a job outside of home roofing, sanitary
assignments or delivering the mail?

By: Loner on 4/3/13 at 7:24

Yogi asked, "What makes you think everyone should have the same education and think the same on all subjects?"

Nobody here is suggesting that, Yogi...you have presented a strawman argument....an imaginary position that nobody is taking...a position that is easily proven invalid, untrue or only partially true.

Rasp's claim, that all men are not created equal, is actually true, in the genetic sense. Nurturing in the home plays a tremendous role too; therefore, young students learn at different rates and in different ways.

Today's educators recognize those factors and a diverse curriculum is offered in the more successful school systems.

Having said that, a certain discipline and uniformity in the fundamentals of learning...the basic skill set....is essential; especially at the elementary school level.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 4/3/13 at 7:27

Not all public school systems are as pathetic as the public school systems in TN, especially Davidson County.

By: Loner on 4/3/13 at 7:27

Bn...I see what you mean....thick as a brick.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 4/3/13 at 7:28

Indeed.

By: bfra on 4/3/13 at 7:32

Ignore yogi & Raspy & maybe they will go the way of their mental equivalent, the Dodo bird.

By: Loner on 4/3/13 at 7:32

Govskeptic posits a rhetorical: "What good is a worldview if you're sitting in your parents basement at age 25 with a degree in sociology and can't get a job outside of home roofing, sanitary assignments or delivering the mail?"

Or was that a soliloquy?

By: Blanketnazi2 on 4/3/13 at 7:36

gov further proves the point.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 4/3/13 at 7:38

The lack of intellectual curiosity and critical thinking is astounding.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 4/3/13 at 7:49

The GOP’s biggest problem? Mean-spiritedness
http://www.eclectablog.com/2013/04/the-gops-biggest-problem-is-one-they-arent-even-trying-to-fix-mean-spiritedness.html#.UVwgq00qK24.reddit

Nailed it.

By: pswindle on 4/3/13 at 7:56

Lawyer up and go after the leeches.

By: Rasputin72 on 4/3/13 at 8:24

LONER...........Your 8:24 was your best observation in a long time. I think in the Davidsoncounty public schools they are still requiring advanced math to students who should be learning how to prepare a household budget and balancing a checkbook.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/3/13 at 8:35

Thank you Blanket for your 8:08 post, but I am not the only one. There are many and I was surprised to fine that some who do not express their true feeling to it out of not wanting to insult their ignorant co-worker or neighbors.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/3/13 at 8:37

It is the nature of a fringe conservative to want for a better life and work for it. It is also the nature of the same fringe that once they manages to reach this goal, not to let anyone else in. The reasoning for this; once in they consider themselves special and the rest are not. To let more in would reduce their importance.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/3/13 at 8:40

Raspy old boy you have my permission to through the first stone, if you have them.

By: Rasputin72 on 4/3/13 at 8:42

NEMO, my good nitcompoop, to whom should I throw it?

By: Captain Nemo on 4/3/13 at 8:43

By: Blanketnazi2 on 4/3/13 at 8:38
The lack of intellectual curiosity and critical thinking is astounding.

Blanket it is much easier for the fringe to let others do the thinking for them. All they have to do is to color between the lines.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/3/13 at 8:45

Raspy old boy if you were as smart as you claim you would know.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/3/13 at 8:46

Raspy old boy, in your attempt to slur my wife the other day the truth was totally the opposite. Standing next to you, I was a much better catch and our marriage lasted 30 years, before her death.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/3/13 at 8:52

Loner, Blanket there is a little know fact outside the South, some think that the Baptist have a much older religion than the Jews.

Education is just the 3 R’s; Reducing the time for education, Restricting others from learning and Rewriting the Bible and History in general.

By: Rasputin72 on 4/3/13 at 8:57

NEMO.......I offer my sincerest sympathy and understanding in the loss of your wife. I lost my wife 20 years and five months ago. I think of her often and with great memories.

Somethings are far more important than a clash of cultures.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/3/13 at 9:07

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By: brrrrk on 4/3/13 at 9:26

Loner said

"Remember, Charter Schools are a form of corporate welfare wherein the taxpayers pick up the tab for privatized education...the main "appeal" is that Charter Schools are anti-union scab schools....anything labelled "union" is automatically despised in the old confederacy......so, bend over and squeal like a pig, you scab-lovers!"

1) There has never been a study (that I'm aware of) that has shown, when ALL things are considered, that "private" schools do any better than public schools.

2) Charter/voucher schools are a way for the religious right to get public funding for what are essentially parochial schools. Right now there are over 300 schools in this country that receive public funding that are teaching creationism.....

http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/01/16/creationism-spreading-in-schools-thanks-to-vouchers/

By: Blanketnazi2 on 4/3/13 at 9:30

brrrrk, you are correct. That is one reason why I don't agree with charter schools.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 4/3/13 at 9:35

Loner, have you seen this?

North Carolina GOPers want an official state religion
http://www.salon.com/2013/04/03/north_carolina_gopers_want_an_official_state_religion/

By: pswindle on 4/3/13 at 9:45

Out of all of the Charter Schools across the US, very few are successful. They last about three years until the public schools have to pull the plug. Do you have any idea the amount of money that the charters walk away with? It is all about money, money and money. They also donate big bucks to the Legislative Branches across the country just to get their foot in the door. They do not have to last very long to take home the big money because they can move on to another place and get their money. It just keeps going and going. Thanks Nashville for trying to stop this for the children.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 4/3/13 at 9:47

Yeah, charter schools are one of those things that sounds good on the surface but when you get to the details and see the track records it's not so good.