Up for Debate: SCOTUS rules on eavesdropping

Tuesday, October 9, 2012 at 11:58pm

In a ruling Tuesday, the U.S. Supreme Court upheld a law that protected communications companies working with the government in wiretapping operations from lawsuits. The law had been criticized by civil libertarians for giving too much power to the government. Do you agree with the court's action? Do you think there will come a time when the practice is either accepted or rolled back?

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154 Comments on this post:

By: Captain Nemo on 10/10/12 at 4:04

As long as it is only used against terrorist, then it is just okie dokie. Yet right..

By: yogiman on 10/10/12 at 5:49

Official wire tapping is just one more step toward government take-over. Wire tapping should only be allowed in a time of war, not as a normal official operation..

By: Loner on 10/10/12 at 6:17

Good morning, Nashville.

Bush and his dad set up this USSC and the grateful Bush appointees just returned the favor by upholding a freedom-threatening Bush-era law. That's how we do business in this republic...the old fashioned way....you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours..it's cronyism on a grand scale.....it's the best government that money can buy.

Here's what happened: Rather than invite the Holocaust survivors to settle in the USA after the second world war, the US bankrolled and armed the apartheid Jewish state in Palestine...the Israelis took advantage of that and ripped off as much Arab land as they could get away with....this caused a backlash in the Muslim world, as Palestine had been "Muslim country" ever since the failure of the last Great Crusade, in 13th century. This re-opened the ancient wound...the place has bled ever since.

The Muslim backlash to militant Zionism became the violent Jihad and the US was targeted and hit on 9-11-01. The 9-11 attacks were used as an excuse for the federal government to extend its tentacles into our everyday lives...what had remained of our privacy was destroyed by the hastily thrown together "Patriot Act" and similar legislation.

When you arm, bankroll and defend a nuclear-armed Jewish theocracy, in the middle of Muslim country, this is the grim result....enjoy!

By: Loner on 10/10/12 at 6:26

We should also note that President Obama has been a strong supporter of the Bush-era law that was just upheld....his AG has used the law some 30 times, according to reliable sources....this is the "hope & change" that BHO promised us?

Barack Obama is a reneger.

Sadly, the alternative is much worse.....We the People are Screwed.....unshakeable support for the "war on terror" is bipartisan....follow the money, the entire federal government is on the take.

By: gdiafante on 10/10/12 at 6:29

One of the reasons that Obama is pretty much a third Bush administration. But you can't tell that to the dipsh!ts like Paul Wade.

Oh, yeah...[click]

By: Loner on 10/10/12 at 6:32

Here's a source on Obama's use of the Bush-era eavesdropping law:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/09/justice/court-surveillance/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

Snippet:

"In an appeal, the Electronic Frontier Foundation and the American Civil Liberties Union said the retroactive immunity was unconstitutional because it gave unfettered power to the executive branch -- namely the attorney general and the director of national intelligence -- to decide it could not be held accountable in court.

Attorney General Eric Holder has used that power to block about 30 suits." (end)

As we can see, the new boss is the same as the old boss....those who believed candidate Obama were had....he reneged.

By: Loner on 10/10/12 at 6:46

To his credit, Justice Alito recused on this case...he admitted having stock in the telecommunications industry...they did not publish info as to how each justice voted on this decision; but, with Alito out, the court was reduced to 8 votes; Obama's appointees, Kagan and Sotomayor may have voted with the Reagan and Bush family appointees....we may never know how it went down...the discussion was behind closed doors....Kagan is a strong supporter of the "War on Terror"....if she were to move to Israel, she could qualify for automatic citizenship there...Kagan considers herself to be a "conservative Jew"....therefore, we know where her mindset is on this issue....like I said...the new boss is the same as the old boss.

By: Loner on 10/10/12 at 6:53

Here is an interesting backgrounder on Kagan:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/13/nyregion/13synagogue.html?_r=0

She's a feminist Zionist...on a mission from "G-d". We can thank Mr. Obama, for putting a schmuck like that on the nation's highest court....he was repaying his debt to his Jewish campaign donors....they got a lot of bang out of their buck.

By: Loner on 10/10/12 at 6:59

But hey, why worry about stuff like that? Who's playing in the next NFL game is a greater concern to most Americans.

Fat. Dumb. Happy. Under control. That's the way we like it, uh huh, uh huh.

By: gdiafante on 10/10/12 at 7:07

Obviously Loner has no idea that the Titans are playing tomorrow night on national TV. As Tennesseans know, as the Titans go, so goes the nation. Everything was fine and dandy in 1999, but now...

It's in the book of Revelations...and then there appeared a giant raccoon...and hellishly bad football came with him....

Repent now and enjoy a high draft pick in April.

By: Ummm... on 10/10/12 at 7:08

Damn, Loner. Good morning to you, too. (Pardon me while I contemplate suicide...)

By: Loner on 10/10/12 at 7:08

Let's address the 2 questions of the day:

Q: Do you agree with the court's action?
A: No, I do not.

Q; Do you think there will come a time when the practice is either accepted or rolled back?
A: Are you kidding? The practice has been in effect since 9-11-01 and it was just given the imprimatur of the USSC....it has been fully accepted and it will never be rolled back...not until this nation is destroyed...out of the ashes, we might see a government interested in rolling back some of these ridiculously intrusive governmental actions....I won't be here to see it; but that's the way it may go down.

By: Loner on 10/10/12 at 7:12

Sorry, Ummm, to have disturbed the joy juice in your gizzard on such a lovely morning. I just took my meds...when they kick in, I'll mellow out...Kum-bah-yah.

Thank you, Gd, for the Biblical quotation...I feel much better now....may the grace of the Great Raccoon be with the Titans....amen.

By: Rasputin72 on 10/10/12 at 7:18

If I were going to limit lawsuits I hardly think this particular area would be one that would make my top five list.

I would start with "what constitutes a frivolous lawsuit"? Once thar was established which would probably take years I would set the penalty as disbarment for any attorney filing a frivolous lawsuit.

In this paricular Supreme Court ruling I can only say that it is no surprise that the issue reached the Supreme Court.

By: Captain Nemo on 10/10/12 at 7:26

What is Rat's last name Rasputin?

By: Loner on 10/10/12 at 7:26

Obama. like Junior Bush is content to fight the effects, not the causes. Is this incompetence or corruption?

The Jihad is in response to US-backed land-grabbing, occupation and aggression in the Middle East....we fight the symptoms, not the disease itself.

We created a scofflaw, nuclear-arme, Jewish theocracy in Palestine; that's the root cause of the disease...fighting the effects of that, without addressing the nature of the disease, is a recipe for eternal war.....maybe that is the actual goal of the the Defense, Israel & Energy consortium....BHO is going along with the show.

By: Captain Nemo on 10/10/12 at 7:28

Oh no you don't Ummmm. You are going to hanging with the rest of us. B-)

By: Loner on 10/10/12 at 7:28

The Grey Poupon stained orator considers the federal government's unlimited power to eavesdrop a "frivolous" issue. For a homeless guy sleeping under a bridge every night, that's probably true...for the rest of us, this is bad news....seriously bad news.

By: Captain Nemo on 10/10/12 at 7:29

Oh yes one more thing...(click)

By: Captain Nemo on 10/10/12 at 7:30

LOL Loner.

By: Kosh III on 10/10/12 at 7:31

No I don't agree with this decision.

It will be expanded, not rolled back.

This is pay off for the millions in campaign "donations" the telcos give annually.

And don't forget, Verizon is a 47% parasite. Verizon paid no federal income taxes in 2010. Neither did BofA, Exxon and GE. Boeing has paid no taxes since 2001. All these lazy 47%ers did get massive welfare checks as well. Welcome to the Fasicst States of America.

By: Kosh III on 10/10/12 at 7:34

PS
I don't want to hear any garbage about how the Telcos are great "job creators." They have laid off tens of thousands in the past few years. T-Mobile and MetroPCS are merging with promises of savings from consolidation aka layoffs.

By: Captain Nemo on 10/10/12 at 7:34

I suppose sleeping at Mission, where there are cameras watching you, that would be routine.

By: yogiman on 10/10/12 at 7:34

You're right, gdiafante, Barry is just next in line following George Bush. And George Bush was next in line following Bill Clinton who was next in line following George H. W. Bush in a One World Government.

The only difference is Barry Soetoro aka Barack Obama is the only one in that office illegally.

You say he isn't? I say prove it.

By: Loner on 10/10/12 at 7:35

Dittos on that, Kosh.

I wonder if all five of Romney's sons are in the 47% group....if we had some old-fashioned investigative reporting going on, we would know about that....if Romney dissed his own sons with that stupid 47% remark, we ought to know it....where are the muckrakers?

By: Captain Nemo on 10/10/12 at 7:36

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By: gdiafante on 10/10/12 at 7:40

But...but...but...they're job creators...

So, in summary...big businesses shouldn't be taxed, the wealthy shouldn't be taxed much and the poor should be taxed more. Do I have that correct?

See, I'm of belief that the actual job creators are the middle class. Without their purchasing power, there is no demand. No demand equals no jobs.

Now, the really frustrating part (to the point of anger) is that the middle class has no special interest group lobbying in Washington. They should, they're called representatives. Instead, preferential treatment is given to those who have more. A direct contradiction with the intent of the United States Constitution.

We, the people...not we, the monied people.

By: Captain Nemo on 10/10/12 at 7:40

Romney now says that the 47% are good tax paying citizen. However that was not what he said about them just after the video was released.

By: gdiafante on 10/10/12 at 7:41

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By: Loner on 10/10/12 at 7:41

LOL, Captain....the cameras are everywhere...so BEWARE.

Kosh, the Telcos probably have outsourced all they can to overseas subsidiaries...they are being compensated by the US government for exporting those jobs.

Romney sees no evil in Chinese prison-factories, he invested in that....the corporate welfare would continue under Willard...of course, it will continue under BHO too....BHO took in 181 million in one month....he's tainted goods....beholden to special interests, not to you and me.

By: bfra on 10/10/12 at 7:42

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By: gdiafante on 10/10/12 at 7:44

That one's easy, Nemo. Romney's a liar. It's well documented so it shouldn't be a shock.

By: Captain Nemo on 10/10/12 at 7:44

The sun just top the mountain summit and the trees are really starting to show their beautiful colors. I love being in the mountains this time of year.

By: Captain Nemo on 10/10/12 at 7:45

Well that is not what he is saying on FOX.

By: gdiafante on 10/10/12 at 7:46

The sun just top the mountain summit and the trees are really starting to show their beautiful colors. I love being in the mountains this time of year.

Reminds me of a Beatles tune...

...and as the words were leaving his lips, a noise came from behind...

That noise being a big, ugly, hungry bear (named Maxwell, of course)

Sorry, couldn't help it. Listened to Abbey Road this morning. :)

By: Loner on 10/10/12 at 7:50

The Bishop is singing a new hymn now....no more "Damn the 47%"...he's now singing, "Bless the 47%"....he has a thick hymnal...a hymn for every occasion.

The Flip-Flopping Bishop in Magic Underwear...what a marvelous choice for Commander-In-Chief during this time of renewed holy war....this is the best that the party of Lincoln can offer? We are in deep shit, my friends.

By: Captain Nemo on 10/10/12 at 7:51

It is time to get back on the road. I thing that I will make a stop in the Gordonsville area a pay a visit to a friend.

By: Captain Nemo on 10/10/12 at 7:52

LOL gdia

By: yogiman on 10/10/12 at 7:56

Now wait a minute, gdiafante. You mean Romney's a liar but Barry isn't? Boy, he sure has fooled you.

By: Loner on 10/10/12 at 7:56

Enjoy the view, Captain....the foliage is nearing its peak around here....it's been cool...no killing frost yet...but it's coming....oh yeah, the summer is over....not many more opportunities to ride the big thumper are left this year...time for Stabil in the gas tank and in the barn for the winter.

By: gdiafante on 10/10/12 at 7:57

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By: bfra on 10/10/12 at 7:58

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By: Loner on 10/10/12 at 8:01

Take your choice, folks..chose the Reneger... or the Liar...no third option...this is Democracy Lite....so, who are the Titans facing next time?

By: Loner on 10/10/12 at 8:02

Ahhh, crap....I hit one of those troll droppings....nearly spun out.....(click)

By: yogiman on 10/10/12 at 8:07

I must agree with you once again, Loner. We are in deeper sh!t with your man Barry. Just remember how he scored showing his ignorance in the first debate, and if congress let's him re-usurp the office again, I hope you Obama fans enjoyed a great nation before your favorite dictator took over.

By: gdiafante on 10/10/12 at 8:09

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By: bfra on 10/10/12 at 8:10

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By: Loner on 10/10/12 at 8:11

Ever wonder why and how we lost the edge in technology and science? Maybe this is part of the explanation:

ATHENS, Ga. -- Georgia Rep. Paul Broun said in videotaped remarks that evolution, embryology and the Big Bang theory are "lies straight from the pit of hell" meant to convince people that they do not need a savior.

The Republican lawmaker made those comments during a speech Sept. 27 at a sportsman's banquet at Liberty Baptist Church in Hartwell. Broun, a medical doctor, is running for re-election in November unopposed by Democrats.

Broun also said that he believes the Earth is about 9,000 years old and that it was made in six days. Those beliefs are held by fundamentalist Christians who believe the creation accounts in the Bible to be literally true.

Broun spokeswoman Meredith Griffanti told the Athens Banner-Herald that Broun was recorded speaking off-the-record to a church group about his religious beliefs. He sits on the House Committee on Science, Space and Technology.

Read more: http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/u-s-congressman-calls-evolution-embryology-lies-from-pit-of-hell-1.986287#ixzz28tw1tNB0

Just when you think things are bad in TN, GA comes along to steal the spotlight. "The South done gonna rise agin..."? I tell you, Abe Lincoln screwed up.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 10/10/12 at 8:12

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By: bfra on 10/10/12 at 8:12

Loner - Romney is not only a liar, he is a flip-flopper. Hey if the voters show they don't like what he says, he just changes it.