Up for Debate: Shooting for a single

Tuesday, July 5, 2011 at 10:05pm

Term-limited Metro Councilman Eric Crafton is running for an at-large seat and is asking his supporters, via email, to consider voting only for him to help ensure the election of at-large conservatives. “Obviously, I would love for you to ‘SINGLE SHOT’ me IF you don’t have another At Large candidate you support,” Crafton’s email message reads. To counter, Renard Francois, an attorney who is also running for one of the council’s five at-large seats, issued a press release Tuesday saying he’s “surprised and disappointed” that a sitting councilman would encourage supporters to “manipulate the system.” Davidson County residents can vote for as many as five at-large candidates, with Election Day set for Aug. 4. What do you think about Crafton’s approach and Francois’ response?

47 Comments on this post:

By: yogiman on 7/5/11 at 10:39

It 'sounds' like politics on both sides of the fence. But the term "term limits" should mean just that. It should be immaterial whether he was running for a district or at large position.

If the voters elect him for that at-large spot, they are abolishing the true meaning of the law for the Council.

By: Captain Nemo on 7/6/11 at 4:27

That is will be the only why Crafton could get elected. He only has a few followers in his distract that that think he is good. As for the rest of the county, his is a bad joke.

What needs to be done is that an at-Large candidate should get a majority of each district vote to be elected.

By: Captain Nemo on 7/6/11 at 4:28

Yesterday day Funny

By: yogiman on 7/5/11 at 1:55

Well, I can understand y'alls "week" minds about your love for Barry Soetoro, but what do you think about the Veterans Affairs banning the mention of God or Jesus at a veteran's funeral?

By: Captain Nemo on 7/6/11 at 4:36

By: yogiman on 7/5/11 at 4:11
dargent7,

I honestly feel sorry for you. What college did you say you went to?

What college did you "wnet" to?

By: Captain Nemo on 7/6/11 at 4:37

s/h/b went ;-)

By: govskeptic on 7/6/11 at 5:10

It's not manipulating if that's the way the system works. We have all the Unions
pushing for Wilhoite and Maynard for these seats, no reason Mr. Crafton shouldn't
let his supporters know the best way for him to be elected!

By: Kosh III on 7/6/11 at 5:48

yogi

It's not the Veteran's Affairs. You make it sound like a blanket policy for the entire agency. It's one cemetery in one city by one official and it's a policy which has already gotten the cemetery sued once and further complaints have been made. You'd know that if you had actually looked into it.

Now go back to offering incense at your altar to War and Reagan/Bush.

By: Kosh III on 7/6/11 at 5:49

If we re-elect Crafton, we will be getting what we deserve for our stupidity.

Next issue.

By: Captain Nemo on 7/6/11 at 5:54

That is the way the system works, Kosh. Tygard and Garrett got elected in this manner. It has been done many times in the pass.

By: Kosh III on 7/6/11 at 6:07

Capn
I was commenting on Crafton, not on this one-shot procedure. Sorry for being less clear on that.

By: Captain Nemo on 7/6/11 at 6:26

Now I understand, Kosh. I will take some of the blame for not understanding. However I do agree that Crafton will be more of a problem if he is an at-Large member. He is no freeing to both the public and corporations alike.

He is only looking out for the best interest of himself.

By: bfra on 7/6/11 at 7:09

I think Crafton makes a valid point. Why vote for someone you know nothing about? I will be voting for Crafton, because, I think all his points have been valid and for the better good of Nashville. Even the English only!

By: budlight on 7/6/11 at 7:25

govskeptic on 7/6/11 at 6:10
It's not manipulating if that's the way the system works. We have all the Unions
pushing for Wilhoite and Maynard for these seats, no reason Mr. Crafton shouldn't
let his supporters know the best way for him to be elected!

I agree with you gov. I wonder what college Wilhoite and Maynard graduated from. Crafton graduated Magna Cum Laude from Vanderbilt.

By: budlight on 7/6/11 at 7:28

bfra on 7/6/11 at 8:09
I think Crafton makes a valid point. Why vote for someone you know nothing about? I will be voting for Crafton, because, I think all his points have been valid and for the better good of Nashville. Even the English only!

bfra, you and I don't agree on much, however on this I agree with you.

Even New York (yeah Kosh, NY) has stepped on board the English in business train. It appears that some NY council members are pushing for business to be done in English (signs on businesses mostly in English) and it is for the safety and welfare of the public, ie, police, fire department, etc. Guess NY City might be catching on to something big.

One of the advocates for NOT using English said that when you come into Chinatown in NY that you don't even know you're in the United States. Duh? Then why are they here if they don't want to know they are here? What was their intent in coming to America? To turn America into China? To be constantly reminded of the country that persecuted them? Doesn't make sense to me.

By: gdiafante on 7/6/11 at 7:56

You're delusional if you think "English Only" had anything to do with business. Companies don't need legislation to dictate what language their client speaks.

Bud, do you really not understand why different cultures gravitate towards what they find familiar?

By: serr8d on 7/6/11 at 8:07

Siddown, Crafton.

"Term Limits" are what they mean. Get this guy out of City Council politics and let him do something else for awhile; maybe run for another office if he doesn't have his belly full of politics just yet. It's these wannabe career politicians who cause eventual trouble.

Maybe gd could spare him a couple three boxes of donuts 'til next Tuesday.

By: gdiafante on 7/6/11 at 8:12

Serr8d, your donut fetish is becoming quite disturbing. Keep that to yourself.

By: serr8d on 7/6/11 at 8:16

gdonut, you've scored a new nickname, courtesy me! Not the first sobriquet I've granted. Just ask Olberdouche, if you can find him on Current TV (whatever that is).

By: Ingleweird on 7/6/11 at 8:40

Eric Crafton, the owner of multiple properties in Davidson Co., has a delinquent history of paying his property taxes. How can you represent a government body, when you cannot fund its operating expenses on time? If all Davidson Co. homeowners followed Crafton's lead, city government would shut down. Perhaps that is what Crafton and his supporters want. :(

By: yogiman on 7/6/11 at 8:40

I've given him a better nickname than gdodut, serr8d. Its gdiafarte. He keeps blowing out the lowest hole of his body.

By: bfra on 7/6/11 at 8:44

yogi - He keeps blowing out the lowest hole of his body.
========================================================

You seem obsessed with that part of the body, do you have a problem?

By: Ingleweird on 7/6/11 at 8:53

Budlight:
Your 8:28 comment is insipid. Would it be helpful for visitors to Nashville if all local men wore wifebeaters with barbeque stains, while wearing a cowboy hat, carrying a guitar and chewin tobacker? God forbid stupid people lose their bearings and forget they're in Nashville.

By: Ingleweird on 7/6/11 at 8:58

@Yogi:
When logic and intelligent, reasoned debate fail, nothing wins arguments like making fun of people's names.

Free speech for the dumb.

By: girliegirl on 7/6/11 at 9:19

At-Large candidates have been pushing the "One and I'm Done" option since I moved here in 1991. Nearly every candidate that WON in the past supported that idea. So now you're concerned? If you're looking for a witch hunt event, you best look at your editor.

By: brrrrk on 7/6/11 at 9:28

gdiafante said

"Bud, do you really not understand why different cultures gravitate towards what they find familiar?"

Not all southerners eat grits cause they like'um.

By: gdiafante on 7/6/11 at 9:34

"I've given him a better nickname than gdodut, serr8d. Its gdiafarte. He keeps blowing out the lowest hole of his body."

Remember folks, these two believe they are intellectual giants...lol

By: brrrrk on 7/6/11 at 9:45

gdiafante said

"Remember folks, these two believe they are intellectual giants...lol"

Tennessee education tax dollars (or lack thereof) at work.

By: yogiman on 7/6/11 at 10:52

yeah, bfra, I keep smelling too much of yours because your keep it blowing into the wind.

By: yogiman on 7/6/11 at 10:57

Well,children,

As I have 'said' before, you get off my back and I'll get off of yours. You keep throwing your "crap" at me and I'm gonna throw crap right back at you.

By: gdiafante on 7/6/11 at 11:05

I'm guessing the irony of yogi's last statement will go unnoticed by the author.

By: budlight on 7/6/11 at 11:08

AND now NY is joining in on the English for business due to public safety:
"In this Tuesday, June 14, 2011 photo, signs primarily in languages other than English are displayed in the Flushing, Queens section of New York. New York City Council members are wading into a potential culture clash with a bill that would require 60 percent of a business' exterior sign to be in English, saying the signs are a public safety hazard and keep merchants from attracting a larger customer base. (AP Photo/Seth Wenig) New York, NY - The teeming streets of Flushing, Queens, can feel like a different country.
A booming Chinese population exists alongside a longtime Korean enclave. On a recent afternoon, the sidewalks were jammed with shoppers browsing and haggling in stores offering everything from iPhones to herbal remedies. Stalls selling fragrant dumplings and tea shops did a brisk business. Day trippers from Manhattan or the suburbs often come to eat and shop here on weekends, savoring the broad array of foods and products available. But to some, the area can feel a little too foreign. City Councilmen Dan Halloran and Peter Koo are drafting legislation that would require store signs in the city to be mostly in English. They say police officers and firefighters need to be able to quickly identify stores.
The change also would protect consumers and allow local shops to expand outside their traditional customer base, the council members argue. But merchants say it would be an unnecessary and costly burden on small businesses and would homogenize diverse pockets of the city that cater mostly to immigrant residents. “People must respect that this is a special area and please respect the Asian culture,” said Peter Tu, executive director of the Flushing Chinese Business Association. “They have their own life in this area. When you walk in the street, you don’t feel like you are in America.”
Two bills are pending in the council to change language on store signs. One, introduced in May, would authorize inspectors with the city Department of Consumer Affairs to enforce a little-known state law that requires businesses to display their names in English. The second bill, which will be introduced later this summer, would stipulate that the sign should be at least 60 percent English. Businesses would have four years to comply, after which they’d face fines starting at $150. “This is designed for public safety, consumer protection and to start increasing the foot traffic into the stores,” Halloran said.
The law on the books — passed in 1933 and dubbed the true name bill — classifies a violation as a misdemeanor but is not enforced. Its primary intent was to protect creditors and consumers from fraud by informal stores that popped up during the Great Depression. The president of the Flushing on the Hill Civic Association, David Kulick, said store signs provoke different concerns these days, mostly from longtime residents who find it insulting or off-putting when they can’t read them. Assemblywoman Grace Meng said she’s heard many of those complaints. She started a task force on the issue last year and supports the council legislation.
“The heart of the issue is not just about an English sign,” Meng said. “They don’t feel like they can communicate in their own neighborhoods.” The issue has cropped up before in the district. Similar legislation was proposed in the 1980s by former Councilwoman Julia Harrison. Her successor, John Liu, now city comptroller, commissioned a survey eight years ago and found only a small percentage of signs did not include English. A spokesman for Liu said the legislation was probably unnecessary.
“In an ever-changing global city, this issue has surfaced for the past 100 years in different parts of New York, involving a panoply of languages from Yiddish to Spanish to Greek and now Chinese and Korean,” Liu spokesman Matthew Sweeney said in a statement. Koo, who currently represents Flushing in the council, owns five local pharmacies with signs in English and Chinese. He said he would change his own signs to comply with the law. “This is America, right? English is the main language,” Koo said. “If I go to a Spanish or Polish neighborhood I would like the sign to at least be in English so I can understand.”
Dian Yu, executive director of the Flushing Business Improvement District, said most stores in Flushing would have to change their signs to comply with the law because they include English but not enough of it. Yu added that there was a misperception that local merchants don’t want non-Asian customers. Many shops simply cater to Asian customers because they make the bulk of the purchases, he said. The bills’ prospects remain unclear.
Councilwoman Diana Reyna, chair of the small business committee, said in a statement it would strain relationships between immigrant entrepreneurs and the government. Councilman Peter Vallone, chair of the public safety committee, said there are unresolved questions about how the legislation would work, such as whether the size of the lettering would matter. The Department of Consumer Affairs referred questions to the mayor’s office, which declined to comment. A police spokeswoman, Detective Cheryl Crispin, said in an email the department was “not aware of this arising as a police issue.”
Meng said the bill was part of a wider strategy to encourage interaction between different groups in her district. “My goal in bringing up this whole issue a year ago was to bridge the gap between cultures,” she said. “This is not going to solve it. But it’s part of the resolution.”

If it passes in NY, then it will be good to have it here, cause we have so many new yorkers here.

Thank you Ingle, you gave me a new word to look up in the dictionary. I appreciate your kindness.

By: brrrrk on 7/6/11 at 11:46

History, according to Michele Bachmann.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RCH1nQ1u4I

By: dargent7 on 7/6/11 at 12:05

re: BudLightYear's post at 12:08pm....wasn't The Twlight Zone marathon over on the 4th?

By: budlight on 7/6/11 at 12:08

Hi to you, too, D7. Just wanted to bring up the fact that while Crafton and others may want business in English in Nashville, there are some New Yorkers who think it's prudent in NY also.

Just a note on comparison as to leaders who are thinking of the public safety. I want Nashville to always look like the USA, TN, and Nashville. It's a lovely, wonderful place to live. Let's preserve some of what makes America great!!!! And our language is one of those things.

By: gdiafante on 7/6/11 at 12:26

English is so American...ain't it?

Brrrk, I had to laugh out loud while watching "John Adams" on the 4th...especially during the montage of Abigail reading the Declaration of Independence to founding father John Quincy...lol

By: Ingleweird on 7/6/11 at 12:42

Thank you for your cut-n-paste, budlight.
You do have a compelling argument for your English signage suggestion. However, businesses are not obligated to use signage that informs passersby of its presence or purpose. If they want to alienate themselves from new customers, that is really their decision to make. I think a restaurant sign in a non-English tongue indicates to those who would do business there, that they are offering an authentic exotic product. What's next? Force them to speak English to accommodate you? I don't go to the torta restaurants in Madison or Inglewood expecting the waitresses to explain the menu to me in English. I go because I know they are offering authentic Mexican cuisine that I can't find at Americanized restaurants like Las Maracas or Las Palmas In your defense, I do think the address number should be of a certain font, at or above a minimum size, and clearly visible from the street (along with street name) for fire/police/safety reasons.

By: Ingleweird on 7/6/11 at 12:44

Missing period after "Palmas."

By: brrrrk on 7/6/11 at 12:46

Ingleweird said

"In your defense, I do think the address number should be of a certain font, at or above a minimum size, and clearly visible from the street (along with street name) for fire/police/safety reasons."

What!!! Are you some kind of socialist?? Take that somewhere else Comrade Ingleweird!!

By: budlight on 7/6/11 at 1:13

girliegirl on 7/6/11 at 10:19
At-Large candidates have been pushing the "One and I'm Done" option since I moved here in 1991. Nearly every candidate that WON in the past supported that idea. So now you're concerned? If you're looking for a witch hunt event, you best look at your editor.
Girlie, what did you mean when you said "...... make a good mom"; I am not following you on that. Keep our identy a secret! Some on this post think we are one in the same. bahhhhwahhhh waaahhhh! That is so funny. You are young, intelligent and beautiful and I'm old, relatively smart (only) and need I address beautiful? We all know that you win, hands down!

By: budlight on 7/6/11 at 1:22

You are welcome Ingle. I agree with you on the "In your defense, I do think the address number should be of a certain font, at or above a minimum size, and clearly visible from the street (along with street name) for fire/police/safety reasons." Having been a state inspector for a certain type of business (health-related boards), I had to drive to many hundreds of locations both rural and inner city and suburbs. It was a nightmare to find these places.

So big street signs, larger than life address numbers and relatively readable business signs would solve many problems.

Dialogue with you Ingle is a pure delight. You are articulate and intelligent. For those who care to learn: "insipid, vapid, flat, jejune, banal, inane mean devoid of qualities that make for spirit and character. insipid implies a lack of sufficient taste or savor to please or interest . vapid suggests a lack of liveliness, force, or spirit . flat applies to things that have lost their sparkle or zest . jejune suggests a lack of rewarding or satisfying substance . banal stresses the complete absence of freshness, novelty, or immediacy . inane implies a lack of any significant or convincing quality

By: girliegirl on 7/6/11 at 2:52

Sidney, I've been crying (so has husband darling) since the verdict yesterday. I still cannot accept that a jury could be so negligent.

The "Single Shot" topic is funny, given all of the prior At-Large Members said the same things while I was present at polling stations and campaign events. As the joke goes, this ain't news. LOL

By: girliegirl on 7/6/11 at 2:52

And Sidney, you're making me blush. LMBO

By: dargent7 on 7/6/11 at 3:26

American "justice" is wholly based on money. Then skin color. Then beauty.
The "jury" are complete idiots who have no jobs and revel in the sensationalism.
The OJ case set the bar at below sea level.
These juries cannot understand basic science. DNA is like a Master's degree.
Telling them the Earth is the 3rd planet from the Sun sails over their heads.
Lawyers are all clowns masquerading as attorneys.
The judges are ringmasters.
I'd rather watch a bear ride a tricycle than sit in today's courtroom.

By: dargent7 on 7/6/11 at 3:35

Oh, by the way.....Casey will be on some tv talk show within a week. She gets out tomorrow.
My guess Bill O'Reilley gets it or Geraldo.
Then the Today Show with Ann Curry.
Gloria Allred comes in quick to spawn some lawsuit against someone.
She'll make a huge payday.

By: bfra on 7/6/11 at 3:50

d7 - Oprah might even come back for this one! Bet that sorry show The View has already contacted someone about having the sleeze on there. Any money made off this beautiful little girl's death, should go to a reputable charity.

By: dargent7 on 7/6/11 at 3:55

I agree....Oprah may come back for one more drama. I'm sure her people are looking into it.
Geraldo was foaming on her innocense against Mr. Bill where if Oprah doesn't take it, he'll get it.

By: 4gold on 7/7/11 at 4:06

If you ever saw Metro Council in session. You would never vote to reelect any of these two faced yahoos in there to fill their own pockets. I will vote for the most unfamiliar name I can find and I gaurantee who ever it is. They will be better than Crafton. Motto? Never reelect anyone. Keep the crooks moving through before they set up house.

. Go Dores, Preds, Titans! Go Nashville a great place to live!