Up for Debate: Smithson-Craighead set to close

Thursday, May 23, 2013 at 1:02am

What are your thoughts on a judge's decision that will appear to shut down Smithson-Craighead Middle School? Was it bound to happen? Should it happen? Was there enough solid proof to revoke the charter? Does it represent a sign of other charter closings or increased scrutiny on them?

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By: govskeptic on 5/23/13 at 4:56

They are apparently doing a good job with their Elementary School, but just
couldn't get a handle on the same performance with the Middle School.
Neither Charter or typical Public school can be allowed to remain the same
if it's not performing. Kids only get one chance at a good education, so it
must be the best possible for them and affordable to the taxpayers at every

By: yogiman on 5/23/13 at 5:45

Teachers teach... and students learn. A good teacher induces a child to learn all they can with the learning unit in their skull.

Regardless of the school made note of, if it doesn't have good inspiring teachers, the children aren't going to learn very well.

A good teach must love children, not just a paycheck.

By: Captain Nemo on 5/23/13 at 5:50

Do not post on taxpayers time bud.

By: Captain Nemo on 5/23/13 at 5:50

When a hick tries to sound as if he knows something, it only makes him sound foolish.

By: Loner on 5/23/13 at 5:59

Good morning, Nashville.

So, Charter Schools are not the panacea that their advocates claim them to be...yeah, they're ant-union scab schools, but that fact alone does not translate into improved performance, SCM is an excellent example that illustrates this point.

Any school that ranks in the bottom 5% of TN schools must be altogether dreadful....pull the plug!

By: Loner on 5/23/13 at 6:07

s/h/b anti-union....ants are not unionized....my bad.

By: Loner on 5/23/13 at 6:43

On the main article's thread, a poster named Edsupp, provided some pertinent background info...the article skipped over the school athletics angle....apparently, the school was basically a jock mill....that in itself might not be a bad thing, if the NFL, NBA, MLB and the NHL were to pick up the tab for that sort of "education"....but the taxpayers should not be saddled with paying for training young jocks to play stick & ball games.

By: BenDover on 5/23/13 at 7:05

Why should they be any more involved in providing free day care for workers and training the corporate workforce, Loner?

By: Captain Nemo on 5/23/13 at 7:29

The smart companies provide day care for their employees, to promote a better work environment, which in return gets a more loyal employ.

By: Loner on 5/23/13 at 7:33

Ben, I don't understand your question posed in your 8:05 post...please re-phrase or clarify...thanks.

By: BenDover on 5/23/13 at 7:53

The smart companies rely on taxpayers to pay for child-care for their workers in the public schools and let the taxpayers pay to train their workforce.

I'm surprised to see so much support for this corporate welfare.

By: Loner on 5/23/13 at 7:55

Back to the topic, IMO, any school - public, private, unionized, non-unionized, charter, Catholic, Christian, Jewish, Islamic or whatever - that ranks in the bottom 5% academically should be shut down, for the welfare and benefit of the students.

By: BenDover on 5/23/13 at 8:06

Given the consistent chant about private health care being 'broken' so we have to 'do something!', I present: Cost / Result analysis of Public education in America


By: Loner on 5/23/13 at 8:11

Thank you, Ben Dover, for clarifying your point(s).

By: BenDover on 5/23/13 at 8:53

The smart companies rely on taxpayers to pay for child-care for their workers in the public schools and let the taxpayers pay to train their workforce.

I'm surprised to see so much support for this corporate welfare.

Interesting. Public education as corporate welfare....never thought of it that way, Ben...you may be right.

In a capitalism-based democratic republic, successful corporations do support public education, by way of corporate taxes paid to federal, state and local governments. At least that's the theory.

But, as it turns out, large successful corporations have found ways to avoid paying their fair share of the taxation needed to fund public education and everything else that our taxes make possible.

And state and local governments are eager to give tax breaks to corporations promising local jobs.

So, the burden of paying for public education falls upon the property owners in each school district; regardless of whether or not the property owner has kids in school or things of that nature....it's not a user fee, as such, at least not in the direct sense.

Are our schools day care centers... baby-sitters, so mom and dad can work and pay taxes? I'm not quite that skeptical, Ben.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 5/23/13 at 8:14

Ben, did you catch "TED Talks Education" a couple weeks ago?

By: Loner on 5/23/13 at 8:14

Cato Institute = Libertarian Think Tank. I'm already suspicious, Ben, but I'll open up a tab in a new window and check out your source.

Ron and Rand Paul have soured me on Libertarianism.

By: budlight on 5/23/13 at 8:23

Are you sour on socialism yet, Loner? Just curious. Have a nice day. I'm off to harrass people for the gov-ment.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 5/23/13 at 8:27

bud, you really think we have socialism? LOL

By: Loner on 5/23/13 at 8:28

The chart looks legit, Ben. I'm not sure about the cause and effect though...lots of other factors must be factored into the equation....what was the cost of a new school bus in 1970 and what is the cost for a new bus today, for example....higher costs like that will not result in higher academic test scores.

More special needs students are being served today, as compared to 1970...these are expensive programs and they are mandated by law. And increased security costs. The list goes on and on.

The chart was adjusted for inflation, or so they claim. But there is more on the educational pizza pie today, not just cheese, as in the 70's, they now offer pepperoni, mushrooms, anchovies, sausage, peppers, olives and onions on today's educational pizza.

By: pswindle on 5/23/13 at 9:00

This Charter lasted about as long as they all last. The company comes in takes the money for a few years and out the door for one reason or the other.

By: BenDover on 5/23/13 at 9:05

Is not the new jalapeno counteracted by the rice cakes loner?

It's per capita and adjusted for inflation. Twice as many employees and 3 times the costs. Who would be happy about such a thing? Oh yeah... the teacher's union.

One of the real failings though is the idea that schools can gain economies of scale by consolidating. It just has not yet worked at all in practice.

By: BenDover on 5/23/13 at 9:10

I did not see a TED on education bn. Do you have a link?

By: Blanketnazi2 on 5/23/13 at 9:13


It's pretty interesting.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 5/23/13 at 9:14



By: Blanketnazi2 on 5/23/13 at 9:16


By: Blanketnazi2 on 5/23/13 at 9:17

The thing I like about the TED talks is how it makes us question all the ways in which our society has changed, especially in the age of social networking, yet our way of educating has not. It really makes you look at things from a different angle.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 5/23/13 at 9:18

Standardized testing and classes that teach memorization instead of critical thinking skills is really not the way to go. We need to get away from the "one size fits all" kind of classrooms.

By: dargent7 on 5/23/13 at 9:20

As usual I have no idea what the question refers to.
I'm still in a tizzy over Angelina Jolie's "pre-emtive" double masectomy and the removal of her ovaries. She's on the cover of TIME.
Lance Armstong has 3 sons...had testicular cancer. Should all his boys have their balls cut off as a preventive measure?

By: Blanketnazi2 on 5/23/13 at 9:27

dargent, if you had lost several members of your family to cancer at a young age and you had a gene that carries an 80% chance that you will contract that particular strain of cancer too, would you remove yours?

By: BenDover on 5/23/13 at 9:37

I think the standardization is OK for minimum requirements but the excellent students need to be allowed to excel and that involves segregation by achievement level... something that's become taboo.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 5/23/13 at 9:48

I think that by junior high there should be more diversification to suit different types of students and career paths. I also think that we need to add back vocational courses that have been eliminated from so many schools.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 5/23/13 at 9:49

I also like the idea of learning labs where students can learn at their own pace.

By: dargent7 on 5/23/13 at 9:52

All cancers are a spin of the roulette wheel.
Now we have designated genes that "guarantee" that the "odds" are you'll get it too?
Steven Jobs had a liver transplant, then died of pancreatic cancer.
Should his children have their livers cut out and their pancreas as a preventitve measure? My dad had hair, my grandfather was bald, my two brothers are bald, I have hair. See how genetics works?
Jolie is only 37. Her mother died at 54.
Maybe if she stopped adopting kids from Nigeria, Algeria, and the Congo and focused on a vegan diet she'd live to be 100.

By: Rasputin72 on 5/23/13 at 9:52

These people and their representatives want equality. Genetically speaking the task is too great. Through legislation and lawsuits they may temporarily feel comfort. The judge ecposed the school for just the charade it was.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 5/23/13 at 9:55

dargent, go read up on it. You're uninformed.

By: bfra on 5/23/13 at 10:01

Raspy - Not a good one to say anything about schools. Did you even go to school? According to the BS you posted yesterday, you don't even know what a proverb is & definitely can't spell.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 5/23/13 at 10:06


By: BenDover on 5/23/13 at 10:10

Here you go loner... drudge is having a ball with the NYC mayor race.


By: BenDover on 5/23/13 at 10:13

Proverb -- that's a part of speech... like a pronoun, right?

By: bfra on 5/23/13 at 10:25

Ben read well: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proverb

By: Jughead on 5/23/13 at 10:31


By: BenDover on 5/23/13 at 10:33

I actually had no idea that there is now a part of speech called the pro-verb.

Thank you for the informative link, bfra. It illustrates nicely your, "everyone else is an idiot" world-view.

By: BenDover on 5/23/13 at 10:35

Jugs! Where you been? Pickin' up extra shifts at the car wash?

By: dargent7 on 5/23/13 at 10:40

I am not uninformed.
Genetics has been around since fossils and the dinosours.
There's always, "skipping a family", a "family trait", or some such "luck"...
Breast and uterine cancer are killing thousands of women.
As is, pancreatic and prostate cancer killing men.
Then you have kidney, liver, spleen, lung cancers
God did not make defective human bodies to get killed off at 50 years old.
It's something we're doing to ourselves.
Jolie is a "hero" for her surgeries? ...bullshit.

By: bfra on 5/23/13 at 10:56

Ben with all your riddle writing, I can't believe you don't know what a proverb is! Guess you are the idiot!
A proverb (from Latin: proverbium) is a simple and concrete saying, popularly known and repeated, that expresses a truth based on common sense or the practical experience of humanity. They are often metaphorical. A proverb that describes a basic rule of conduct may also be known as a maxim.
Do you get it now Ben?

By: Jughead on 5/23/13 at 11:02

BentOver: Yep! I love my job. I like to work and earn money. It feels good to not rely on the gov't for food, housing, and meds.

On the other hand, how are things in your world? I see you and your pathetic lady-friends have not abandoned your sad practice of sitting here all day posting incomprehensible masturbations.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 5/23/13 at 11:09

Still uninformed, dargent.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 5/23/13 at 11:11

No one said she was a hero but it would take a lot of courage to do what she felt she and her doctors thought she should do. I don't understand your ridicule. Apparently you didn't read the link I posted either.

By: dargent7 on 5/23/13 at 11:30

"No one said she was a hero..." Really?
Bad Pitt said it, as does TIME magazine, People magazine, and US magazine.
All are hearlding her decision to remove both breasts, replace them with plastic and saline, and remove her ovaries, as "heroic", and a role model for young women".... You kiddin' me?
You don't get it. Let's say colon cancer runs in my family....my dad had it, my aunt and grandfather had it...there's a 50% chance I may get it ...
Should I have my colon removed at 37?
Dumb sh!t.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 5/23/13 at 11:44

Why are you so worked up about it anyway? I'd have to say that if a lot of my relatives, including my mother, died at a young age from ovarian and/or breast cancer and my doctor recommended the same procedures, it would be scary as hell and it would take courage to go through with it. I can only imagine the emotional ramifications let alone the hormone changes and the depression it would cause. Why are you being such an ass about it?