Up for Debate: Spray paint blues

Tuesday, July 5, 2011 at 12:33am

A recent rash of graffiti that pockmarked private businesses and downtown civic icons — including the State Capitol, Main Library and Shelby Street Pedestrian Bridge — concurrently happened during the addition of some quality public art pieces placed throughout the city. This jarring contrast has yielded various questions, including "Does Nashville need a sanctioned graffiti art program?" and "Is illegal graffiti a major problem in the city?" What is your take? 

Filed under: City Voices
Tagged: graffiti | vandalism

65 Comments on this post:

By: yogiman on 7/4/11 at 11:10

Any "illegal" graffiti is major problem to any city. Even if it is "beautiful" in the eyes of the beholder.Illegal is illegal. Even if it is "accepted" by officials, it should still be considered illegal from its origin. .

By: house_of_pain on 7/5/11 at 4:44

Yes, Nashville has a serious graffiti problem. Next issue...

By: dargent7 on 7/5/11 at 5:37

"yogi": your comments about grafitti are exactly the same as those about Obama.

By: bfra on 7/5/11 at 5:47

IF yogi could & did read the article, he MIGHT make more sense in his comment!

By: Kosh III on 7/5/11 at 5:58

Grafitti may be "art" but when it's done on the property of another, it's vandalism and should be swifty and sternly punished.

By: Kosh III on 7/5/11 at 6:00

By: house_of_pain on 7/5/11 at 5:44
Yes, Nashville has a serious graffiti problem. Next issue...
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Next issue: Council elections soon, will we ever see a comprehensive review of each district and candidate in any of the local media. Don't hold your breath.....

By: govskeptic on 7/5/11 at 6:07

"Sanctioned Graffiti Art Program"?, Yes, on your own bathroom wall!

By: treehugger7 on 7/5/11 at 6:28

That would take actual research and reporting, instead of tossing out a paragraph, and letting people argue. Actually covering news of importance to the city does not seem to be in CP's playbook. CP is in danger of becoming as irrelevant as the Tennessean. I hope things get better....I spend less and less time here every day, since they leave the same articles posted for days at a time.

By: yogiman on 7/5/11 at 6:33

Excuse me. children. Did I misunderstand the word "illegal" incorrectly? Should illegal be considered legal because it was only a spray paint figure of someone else building?

I know I don't have a brain in the same capacity of yours, but I consider illegal just that: Illegal.

By: yogiman on 7/5/11 at 6:35

bfra,

How about using that small brain of yours and interpret that article to me?
What is your definition of illegal?

By: dargent7 on 7/5/11 at 6:37

th7?: Huh? The Tessean is "irelevent"? I find it to be a very good paper.
And Monday's glossy version of the CP is quite well written and informative. This new "Question of the Day" and Burch on Fri. is new and good. Better than lifting a "post" out of context or just a 5 word sentence

By: treehugger7 on 7/5/11 at 6:42

Bring back letters to the editor!! I could not even find a way to send one.

By: budlight on 7/5/11 at 6:45

This jarring contrast has yielded various questions, including "Does Nashville need a sanctioned graffiti art program?" and "Is illegal graffiti a major problem in the city?" What is your take?

NO, YES! No we do not need a "sanctioned" graffiti art program aka "enabling people to continually break the law" program. Hidden cameras, photos of people doing the crime and jail time plus fines for clean up. Crack down onthese people. They are doing a disservice to the law abiding citizens of the community. Illegal graffiti is a major problem in all cities.

I know a man who punished his graffiti drawing son in this way: He went into the kid's room and spray painted on all his personal, precious items. His kid never picked up another spray paint can or marker to deface the property of others, including city owned and private property.

These thugs who mark territory are as bad as dogs lifting their legs to mark territory or male cats spraying to mark their territory. It all stinks!

By: dargent7 on 7/5/11 at 6:46

bfra: Obama = illegal....according to yogi. He's coined that phrase and I've be listening to it for almost 3 years now.
Yogi = misunderstanding.

By: dargent7 on 7/5/11 at 6:51

"The father got a spray can and painted all the kids personal....." Computer? Walls too?
Like all your personal examples, this father hasn't parenting skills and was lucky the kid didn't take out a contract and have him shot.

By: Captain Nemo on 7/5/11 at 6:54

I think legal walls for this kind of art form, could be beneficial to any city.

Look at this example;

http://a79.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/37/l_127db1cb89c3a0f148ab0b633e7d5df6.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/207/466176759_3d09a7c9e7.jpg

http://grafitiigallery.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/ROSK-Alphabet-Font-Legal-Gaffiti-Walls-Street-Full-Color1.jpg

http://arrestedmotion.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/English_Eaton_Jago-600x364.jpg

By: yogiman on 7/5/11 at 6:55

Does the truth hurt, dargent7?

Tell me, is that Barry Soetoro or Barack Obama you are referring to? When did he revert his Indonesian citizenship back to his former American citizenship (if he ever had it) and the name he was given by his stepfather back to his original American name? Didn't think you's know.

And can you explain why the director of the Hawaiian Health Department said she had viewed his "birth certificate" and half of it was written in pencil? Unless she was lying, wouldn't the certificate he showed on April 27 be known as a fake?

dargent7, facts are facts. Accepting his 'autobiography' as true fact, if he was a natural born American citizen, he would have lost that status when he was adopted into Indonesian citizenship, which he was, as he stated, because Indonesia would only allow Indonesian citizens in their schools.

Try reading his autobiography. I doubt it, but it might make you understand what he is in the process of doing to our country.

And with congress backing him up all the way, it should make you understand how they are running down that road right beside him.

I feel sorry for you young people. But I feel sorrier for the grandchildren of today.

By: Captain Nemo on 7/5/11 at 7:01

Now I find this to funny and just silly. Once you make something legal it is no longer illegal.

By: budlight on 7/5/11 at 7:45
This jarring contrast has yielded various questions, including "Does Nashville need a sanctioned graffiti art program?" and "Is illegal graffiti a major problem in the city?" What is your take?

NO, YES! No we do not need a "sanctioned" graffiti art program aka "enabling people to continually break the law" program. Hidden cameras, photos of people doing the crime and jail time plus fines for clean up. Crack down onthese people. They are doing a disservice to the law abiding citizens of the community. Illegal graffiti is a major problem in all cities.

By: bfra on 7/5/11 at 7:06

yogi - Try reading his autobiography. I doubt it, but it might make you understand what he is in the process of doing to our country.
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yogi wants somone to read, when it is apparent he can't.

By: yogiman on 7/5/11 at 7:11

budlight,

It appears most of these posters can't see beyond their nose. But then, their stupidity may come from their going to government controlled education in teaching them to accept absolute government control. You know, like in the communist nations.

By: Captain Nemo on 7/5/11 at 7:23

Now this is becoming bizarre. Thank you d7.

By: yogiman on 7/5/11 at 7:24

bfra,

I've apparently read much more than you. If you can accept someone as President of this nation whom you know nothing about, you are showing your full fledged ignorance .

Haven't you ever wondered why he wont show any of his personal papers to the public (which all men have done before him)? Or don't you care, simply because he is supposedly the first black president of the nation?

Have you not wondered why he would let a military career doctor (whom had served several tours in combat zones) serve 6 months in prison and take a dishonorable discharge... simply because he refused to show the birth certificate (which has been itemized to be fake) he showed a week before the book about him was published?

Just wondering, what do you know about this man except he is black? I'd sure like to know. And if you can prove me wrong, I would be happy to apologize, but I don't think I will ever need to.

By: yogiman on 7/5/11 at 7:27

bfra,,
I'm sure you have read them, so how about referring me to one of the books you are referring to in his favor?

By: bfra on 7/5/11 at 7:34

yogi - shooting blanks again!

By: yogiman on 7/5/11 at 8:00

No, bfra, you are ex;posing your ignorance.

By: tenn.Big Dog on 7/5/11 at 8:13

Tenn. Big Dog as a retired Police Officer from here in Nashville, I have said for years to slap enough punishment to it to make our littering law look small. My answer to the problem:
#1 make it a class "A" misdemeanor to deface public or private property with paint. Punishment. $1,500. fine per occurance and or punishable by 11 mos. 29 days to serve painting public buildings and assigned places as decided by the Dept. of corrections. #2 if the offender is Juvenile over the age of 16, try him or her as an adult.
#3 for Juvenilles under the age of 16, the parents will also be tried as co- Defendants. The cash fine to reduce to $500. and 3 consecutive weekends with the minor offender painting and scrubbing Grafitti around the county where the offense occured. The Dad will be the Parent responsible if the couple lives together unless the parent is deemed incapable physically, then the mom will be the responsible parent. For divorced or un-married parents, which ever parent the is the child"s custodial parent, or the parent or relative that the child lives with, he or she will be the responsible co- defendant. No Exception..

#4 WEALTHY PARENTS WILL NOT BE EXCLUDED FROM PROSECUTION. IF YOUR SON OR DAUGHTER IS CAUGHT AND CONVICTED OF DEFACING PUBLIC OR PRIVATE PROPERTY, THE WEALTHY CHILD AND PARENT WILL FACE THE SAME PUNISHMENT AS THOSE OF LESS WEALTH.

IF WE REALLY WANT TO STOP THIS EYE SORE CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR, THEN GET ON TO THE LEGISLATORS TO ADOPT A BILL SIMILAR TO THIS TO PUT AN END TO IT BEFORE WE LOOK LIKE NEW YOUR OR SOME OTHER LARGE CITY WITH THIS TRASHY LOOK..

By: tenn.Big Dog on 7/5/11 at 8:17

Tenn. Big Dog --CORRECTION TO TYPING ERRORS---NEW YORK AND THE WORD ---THAT REGARDING CUSTODIAL PARENT. SORRY SHOULD HAVE PROOF READ ..

By: dargent7 on 7/5/11 at 8:24

If you want to send a Letter to the CP: "editor@nashvillecitypaper.com.
William Williams who writes a column, edits them.
But their new format is one that they'll stay with.

By: bfra on 7/5/11 at 8:26

tenn.Big Dog - Although I agree with you, we don't have enough politicians with b***s big enough to implement this. They might step on someones toes, they need favors from for re-election. If they pass something like this it would have to apply to all and they can't or won't take that step.

By: bfra on 7/5/11 at 8:27

d7 I agree, at least this is better than picking up little quotes, but I liked the letters much more.

By: dargent7 on 7/5/11 at 8:28

Yogi: Read TIME mag feature article on the US Constitution?
It goes into depth who's eligible for the office and what naturalization means.
Being born in Hawai'i counts more than if both your American parents had you in Mexico.

By: bfra on 7/5/11 at 9:01

d7 - yogi has made it very obvious, he can't read.

By: yogiman on 7/5/11 at 9:07

dargent7,

I don't need to read TIME magazine (sorry, I'm not a fan of a Soetoro/Obama lover magazine). I find it more interesting and confirming to read the actual Constitution.

And to explain it a little bit to your obvious ignorance, may I enlighten you: The is three different features of citizenship.

1. A natural born citizen is a child born to parents whom are American citizens, born in the USA (or now on US territory if serving in the military out of the states).

2. A native citizen is a child who is born in the USA, even though its parents aren't US citizens.

3. A naturalized citizen is a person who comes to the USA legally and goes through the proper legal process to become a US citizen.

With your apparent constitutional ignorance, you feel a child born to a foreign father and 18 year old American mother in 1961is a natural born citizen.

How about going back to reading a few of the laws of 1961, dargent7 (if that is when he was born) At her age, and her length of time in citizenship, his mother could not pass her American citizenship on to her child at that time. The very best he might get would be dual citizenship. Now, do you think a child born to a Kenyan parent, whom at that time was a citizen of the British Empire was a natural born American citizen?

By: bfra on 7/5/11 at 9:10

yogi - shooting blanks, again!

By: dargent7 on 7/5/11 at 9:37

Romney, though born in Detroit, his father was born in Mexico.
How does that differ from Obama being born in Honolulu, and his father in Kenya?
It doesn't.
So, the racists enter the Birther arena and say Obama wasn't born in Hawai'i.
It's all the White Supremecists and KKK have to hang their hat on. Cone hats, that is.

By: Kosh III on 7/5/11 at 9:42

Where in the Constitution are these different types of citizens? I only see one which has always been understood as being physically born on US soil, like Hawai'i.

Which is why George Romney would not have been qualified, nor possibly McCain.

Why don't you worry about something real, like our undending wars started by Bush the War Criminal.

By: yogiman on 7/5/11 at 9:44

Wake up, dargent7,

Romney's grandparents were American citizens living in Mexico when his father was born.

What was his mother? An American or a foreigner? If his mother was a foreigner he would not be a natural born citizen.

By: yogiman on 7/5/11 at 9:58

Kosh III,

I'm sure a person of your intelligence can explain why this nation has been in any of the conflicts it has been in over the past 235 years.

And by the way, we have not been in a declared war since WWII.

See my post to dargent7 about Romney. McCain. Do you believe a man whose father was serving in the US military on US territory should be denied such an honor?

And just wondering, Barack Obama co-sponsored and approved the questioning of John McCain's eligibility but refused to be questioned himself. Ever wonder why? Didn't think so.

Also just wondering; why did Billy boy attack Bosnia? Ah hell, it doesn't matter, does it?

By: brrrrk on 7/5/11 at 10:12

Graffiti is as old as humanity. Anyone remember "Kilroy was here"? For yogi it would be "Claudius was here".....

By: Kosh III on 7/5/11 at 10:23

"Do you believe a man whose father was serving in the US military on US territory should be denied such an honor?"

So military service, not place of birth can qualify? Is that what you mean?

Why did Clinton invade Bosnia, not for OIL, which is the reason Bush went into Iraq and Afghanistan, and why we are still in those quagmires.

Are you happy that we spend 6 Billion annually JUST for the State Dept in Iraq?

You wake up. It's OIL OIL OIL MONEY MONEY MONEY. Human rights, liberty and freedom are just the excuses Bush the War Criminal gave, he didn't care about anything but.....OIL!

By: Kosh III on 7/5/11 at 10:27

Yogi? Why do you think we were in most wars?
1812? Imperialist invasion. Us invading Canada.
Mexican-American? We invaded them for territory.
Texas? Ditto.
Spanish-American? We invaded without excuse.
Granada? O yeah, big dangerous country we had to invade before they overcame us. (sarcasm)

Most of our wars were baseless and we were the aggressor at fault.

Withdraw from Iraq, Afghanistan, Korea, Japan, EU, Columbia, Guatemala, and pretty much everywhere else. Non-intervention is the policy that we should have, not being the global aggressor and enforcer.

By: Kosh III on 7/5/11 at 10:45

Come on Yogi, don't avoid this question of min

"Where in the Constitution are these different types of citizens? I only see one which has always been understood as being physically born on US soil, like Hawai'i."

Cite specific parts of the Constitution to support your contention. Proof. Trust but verify.

By: yogiman on 7/5/11 at 10:46

I agree with you on the one point, Kosh III, but the US is the US.

I remember when the sun never set on the British Empire all the way around the globe. I'm wondering if it ever sets on the US today. I can't think of one nation we went into in combat that we came out of.

The last I read we have 197 bases over the world.

And just wondering; how many nations are there in the world?

By: yogiman on 7/5/11 at 10:55

Kosh III,

The Constitution is the guide to the government of this nation. It isn't dictionary. Where did I refer to the Constitution as to the in the definitions of citizens?

How about learning to read a little better.

By: yogiman on 7/5/11 at 10:58

Damn, let me re-write that last question.

I meant: Where did I refer to the Constitution as the definitions of citizens?

By: dargent7 on 7/5/11 at 11:28

Arguing about qualifying US citizenship with Yogi, is akin to arguing with Charles Manson on the definition of, "family" or even a mafia like Tony Soprano.
It's pointless.
K-3 you're right: "born on American soil" is the defining, legal, definition.
The Birther's have to say Obama wasn't born in Hawai'i, otherwise their argument is 100% baseless.
McCain was born in 1936 or so in the Panama Canal Zone.
We were in WW I, ( I think), so it counted as an American birth.
Romney's dad, his grandparents, his milkman...it doesn't matter as long as Romney popped his head out and took his 1st breath in America...Detroit notwithstanding.

By: yogiman on 7/5/11 at 12:25

Well, dargent7,

Why did his paternal grandmother say she was in the room with his mother when he was born and (at that time) never been out of Kenya? Why did the Kenyan ambassador say they were restoring his home to become his library?

Why did his wife state (twice that I heard) they traveled through Africa to his homeland of Kenya?

By: dargent7 on 7/5/11 at 12:28

Get a load of this: Casey Anthony verdict is IN...aquitted.
First OJ, then Robert Blake, now this 3rd murder is free to walk among us.

By: yogiman on 7/5/11 at 12:31

Well, you want "proof" from me on my remarks about Barry Soeotor, dargent7 how about proof from you the young lady was guilty. I'm sure you "know" she did it.

By: yogiman on 7/5/11 at 12:33

Go to emailalerts@dailycaller.com, then to the bottom of the page and listen to the man being interviewed by Judge Thomas' wife.