Up for Debate: State Dems on election wins/losses

Thursday, November 8, 2012 at 1:17am

What do you think about the election outcome in the state legislature and the Democrats reaction to it?

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By: Blanketnazi2 on 11/8/12 at 9:31

BigPapa, I agree. Before GWB I used to vote across party lines according to whomever I thought was the better candidate. When the GOP swung so far right, there was no way I wanted to vote for an R on any level. Marco Rubio would be a fresh start for a more moderate Republican platform.

By: Loner on 11/8/12 at 9:32

By: slacker on 11/8/12 at 8:58

Will Hillary wear a pants suit under her new robe ..or go au naturel?
Never mind, my bad.. some people are still eating breakfast.

Slack, I Googled it....if appointed to the SCOTUS, Hillary will be wearing this outfit under her judicial robes:

http://sarasotadetail.com/gallery2/d/10047-2/spy0393.jpg

By: gdiafante on 11/8/12 at 9:33

I'd agree with Papa to a point. I think it was a combination of the social issues but also that Romney was exposed when he made a B-line for the center in the first debate. It was so acute, such a dramatic turnaround from what was established during the primaries that it sent red flags up all around.

I think the reason that he closed the gap with Obama so quickly is that most Americans are moderate, that's what they wanted to hear, but in the end, they couldn't trust that it was really how he would govern.

At least that's my take...

By: Blanketnazi2 on 11/8/12 at 9:34

I agree with your take on it, g. It was as if Romeny did a Jeckle/Hyde thing after the primaries.

By: Moonglow1 on 11/8/12 at 9:38

Moonglow1: I will never forget the comment made by Mae Beavers or was it Butts. Anyhow one of them said climate change was caused by Aqua Net hair spray which is not used much anymore hence climate change in not happening today.

Second is Desjarlis: scary stuff. A physician screwing his patients. This brings new meaning to health care reform.

Then we had the other idiot whose name I cannot recall but he championed guns in bars and then was caught driving while intoxicated speeding down 21st avenue.

Then we have Haslam the ALEC crone who begs for triple A bond ratings because we need the federal govt aide.

We have Blackburn who rails against light bulbs, her #1 concern.

What a bunch of nuts.

Why can't the democrats get traction? I do know it has to do with Tennesseans being less educated than most other states. I believe the percentage of high school graduates and college educated adults is very low like in the 30 percent range. Poorly educated individuals love God & Guns. So I guess the formula here in The Great State of TN is keep the populace dumb and The Teas can stay in power.

God Bless America

By: Loner on 11/8/12 at 9:41

My crystalline spheres of clairvoyance are up to temperature....looking ahead to 2016...I see a smart, articulate, good-looking , Jewish fellow, with lots of legislative experience, on the podium, seeking the GOP nod....I patched my crystal balls into my PC and printer....here is the image & resume of the would-be Republican standard bearer:

http://maplight.org/us-congress/legislator/178-eric-cantor

By: Blanketnazi2 on 11/8/12 at 9:41

Moonglow, I think it still has to do with being suspicious of outsiders and they consider Republicans as "one of them." Notice that Davidson County, the county with the most transplants, always turns blue.

By: slacker on 11/8/12 at 9:45

After seeing the breakdown of who voted, I think Romney was beat from the start,..regardless of his stance on the issues.
More young people voted this time than in the last election.. Obama got em' all
Obama had the female voted locked in from the start.

Nothing Romney said would change those people's vote.
I think a large segment of the pop. vote for who they like, many don't even know what the issues are.
Kerry lost to Bush because most people didn't like him.

By: gdiafante on 11/8/12 at 9:46

I'd attribute that to population centers, which are usually urban, tend to vote for Democrats. There are tons of transplants in Spring Hill, Franklin, Rutherford County, etc. The more rural you go, the more red it gets.

I overheard some school bus drivers discussing the election yesterday, they were whining about how the electoral map indicated we're a red country. We're probably center-right, but most red states have low populations. Montana, the Dakotas, Oklahoma...even the deep south...low populations with vast rural communities.

This is really a good argument for some form of electoral college...maybe not what we have now, but something. As much as we complain about states like Florida and Ohio determining the election, do we want L.A. or NYC to as well?

By: Moonglow1 on 11/8/12 at 9:47

Moonglow1: Good point Blanket!

By: gdiafante on 11/8/12 at 9:49

I also think that Obama's ground campaign was underestimated. Either way, the GOP got bit by the changing demographics. They're going to have to adapt or they're going to go the way of the Dodo.

By: Loner on 11/8/12 at 9:55

Slack, Mitt was right, 47% of the electorate would not vote for him, no matter what he said or did...the other 53% was theoretically in play...of that 53%, some 53% voted for Mitt and 47% voted for Obama....no source on that ...that's my SWAG* analysis.

*SWAG: Scientific Wild Assed Guess.

By: slacker on 11/8/12 at 9:56

gdiafante if you're saying the Republicans should switch their stance on the issues, to that of the Democrats. They're would be only one party, no opposition party..no?

By: slacker on 11/8/12 at 10:06

Loner, no doubt a lot of SWAG occurs on this board, in my case BS.
But... if you have the female vote, minority vote, new young voter, you win.
Poor ''Mittens'' never had a chance.

By: gdiafante on 11/8/12 at 10:09

No, they need to acknowledge that the electorate has changed and the need to stop veering so far right. Why is it that everyone but the far-right understands that the GOP has been hijacked? Oh yeah, because they are the ones doing the hijacking...

Republicans can return to center-right without abandoning their core principles...in fact, I'd argue that by going so far right, they have abandoned many of them already.

The country wants more moderates.

By: Loner on 11/8/12 at 10:11

Sheldon Adelson bet 5 million on the Newt, then 25 million on Mitt...all the casino tycoon has to show for it is a lousy Romney & Ryan T-shirt....he makes his money off of suckers...but he may be the biggest sucker on this planet.

Adelson may hone his "skills" by 2016...he'll be back.

By: slacker on 11/8/12 at 10:27

Romney is a moderate.. granted he didn't run as one.
The ''thumper's and others, didn't like his religion, and didn't turn out in large numbers, which was his only chance. The so called silent majority is dying off. The Hispanics will be running whats left of this country in 20 years or less. They might move the capital to Mexico.
-SWAG

By: Blanketnazi2 on 11/8/12 at 10:29

Romney would have been much better off running as a moderate rather than bowing to the far right fringe.

By: slacker on 11/8/12 at 10:30

I'm becoming a troll, and posting way to much. Shouldn't put Irish whiskey in my coffee.
I'll see myself out.

By: gdiafante on 11/8/12 at 10:31

The GOP doesn't want moderates. Romney, as you say, is likely a moderate but look how he had to act just to get the nomination? Ridiculous. If they keep it up, they're going to nominate nut after nut and continually lose elections.

By: Moonglow1 on 11/8/12 at 10:36

Moonglow1: Loner, I agree 100 percent. Adelson and The Kochs made lousy bets. Perhaps this is why the USA is no longer competitive. We have losers at the helm. Fire em and get some business leaders able to make sound decisions and "bets" based on fact and forecasting instead of ideology.

I haven't heard anything out of Bibi N either. Now that Obama is back, Bibi's finger is no longer tethered to the nuke he planned to fire at Iran with Adelson's help.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 11/8/12 at 10:37

But now that this election is finally over, maybe more Republicans will be willing to take a page from the book of New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie and give Obama some credit for the things he's done right. We can still challenge the president's ideas without asking for his papers or spitting on our highest office.

When I think about where this country was four years ago -- with us losing hundreds of thousands of jobs a month, engulfed in two wars and disliked by many of our allies -- I believe Obama has done a lot that's right.

And from the looks of his resounding re-election, the majority of real Americans feel the same way.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/07/opinion/granderson-obama-reelection/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

By: Moonglow1 on 11/8/12 at 10:41

Moonglow1:gdiafante-so true the GOP does not like moderates. This is because the GOP has no balls. They are not able to stand up to the moneyed extremism of the Teas.

By: gdiafante on 11/8/12 at 10:47

It's funny blanket. Many people acknowledge that the financial collapse was something that took many years to create...yet they think it can be solved immediately, like flipping a switch.

Many also seem to think that we're isolated economically...the global markets have nothing to do with our economy, it's all the President...for example, gas prices. He's manipulating them...yada yada yada.

My guess is that they're the same ones who were crying about Wall Street dropping 300 points yesterday and blaming Obama. Nevermind that (1) he was expected to win (2) we have a fiscal cliff around the corner and the electorate chose to elect the same people that couldn't agree on anything the past two years, (3) Europe - specifically, forecasts that Germany's economy may be slowing.

People just don't seem to get the big picture...

By: Blanketnazi2 on 11/8/12 at 10:54

I know, g. It's aggrevating. Just like they refuse to recognize that after Obama chose to publish the numbers accurately, we saw that the clear, transparent picture was much worse that what GWB's administration was admitting to. You can show articles published in 2009 that document this, but they still refuse to acknowledge it. Unbelievable.

By: Moonglow1 on 11/8/12 at 10:56

Moonglow1: Well said Blanket "We can challenge the President's ideas without asking for his papers or spitting on our highest office."

Perhaps now the Donald Trumps of the world will be vilified by the news media. Although, I was watching a television show last night and there was another PAC ad on. It showed a Chinese professor lecturing to students about what went wrong in the USA. We mortgaged our future and now the Chinese own us. So I thought: here we go! The Koch's are at it again with the propaganda. The election results are just in and they start with the propaganda.

One thing Obama should do is contact the Cayman Islands to stop off shore tax havens. Romney, you can run but you can't hide (your cash). He should also nationalize oil & gas and put the Koch's and BP out of business. These types of industries should be govt run as they are critical to our national security.

By: gdiafante on 11/8/12 at 10:58

Great point. Everyone points to the fact that the administration cited a number for unemployment and didn't attain it. That's because the crisis was considerably more damaging than what we knew at the time. It's not rocket science.

Now, all that can be completely undone by us reverting back to recession if we don't address the fiscal cliff. Just amazing.

By: yogiman on 11/8/12 at 10:59

It would be much better is we had a Constitutionally eligible president in that office instead of a Indonesian citizen. Or is an Indonesian citizen that much better than an an American citizen?

Two primary points your man Barry will start: Gun control and an amendment to the Constitution for a third term; unless he thinks he only needs a takeover.

This is a different USA, folks. You had better get used to it.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 11/8/12 at 10:59

Moonglow, I wish I could claim that but I was quoting an article. :)

We need to get rid of Citizens United. Montana already did.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 11/8/12 at 11:02

Hopefully, Boehner can get the extremists in his party to understand the importance of the task at hand. I don't envy him that.

By: yogiman on 11/8/12 at 11:02

One other thing I didn't mention to be taken under control by Barry; Communications. The use of communications through computers will be put under control.

By: budlight on 11/8/12 at 11:07

By: bfra on 11/8/12 at 9:23
Bud - People like you are the problem! Can't hold a job, draws SSI & no telling how many other benefits (all of this coming from your own big mouth). Then just sit around & complain about others.

Wrong again! I got disability for ONE YEAR FOR A MAJOR DISABILITY. I get social sec. retirements now because I paid into it from age 18 to 65 AS MANDATED BY FEDERAL LAW. I get NO other benefits except SSRetirement which I expected to get because I paid in.

I don't even have a handicapped tag for me car; I leave that for the lame brains like you and of course, those who are having a hard time walking. I walk as far as I can for as long as I am able - that's my motto.

Blanketnazi2 on 11/8/12 at 10:37
But now that this election is finally over, maybe more Republicans will be willing to take a page from the book of New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie and give Obama some credit for the things he's done right. We can still challenge the president's ideas without asking for his papers or spitting on our highest office.

Christie said he would "do anything" to help his state and that meant kissing some butt, which he did. BUT announced that he would vote for Romney as well.

The FEDS are supposed to help the states with FEMA, etc. so Obama didn't lose any money from tight little pocketbook over that.

Obama is still NOT presidential material in the books of some; he won! America lost!

By: yogiman on 11/8/12 at 11:07

Loner,

This was a much different nation 44 years ago than it is today. Back then you had to be constitutionally eligible to run for the President's office.

Today, you don't even have to prove you're a US citizen. Is that an advancement or a dismantling fall from civility?

By: yogiman on 11/8/12 at 11:14

Adman,

Congress is not a fear of Obama. They have never questioned him about his Constitutionally eligibility to hold that office. Like you, they actually don't even know his legal name of what nation he's a citizen of. But with his documented Indonesian citizenship he sure as hell isn't a natural born citizen of the USA. Is he even a citizen of the USA.

Why do you think you had to show a photo ID to prove you was eligible to vote but Obama didn't even have to prove he was eligible to run for office? Why do you think congress sat on their posteriors to let it happen? I say they are in the 'pot' with him.

By: Moonglow1 on 11/8/12 at 11:17

Moonglow1: Check out NYT article & readers comments: Little to Show for Cash Flood.

Money does not buy votes! A true victory for non-billionnaire Americans. Also, we can take these arrogant men down: don't patronize their business which includes Home Depot & Vegas Casinos owned by Adelson.

Karl Rove-a loser all the way. Take your super PAC & shove it.

All these billionaires...job creators???

By: BigPapa on 11/8/12 at 11:31

yogi
really dude give it a rest.. you come off as a loonie. Better to point out what policies and positions that you disagree with than to constantly shoot out crazy stuff about Obama.

You're like the lefties that claim Bush caused 9/11.. nobody listens to crackpots.

By: yogiman on 11/8/12 at 11:34

B2,

Marco Rubio is in the same category as Barry Soetoto; he isn't constitutionally eligible for that office. But on the other hand, why is Constitutional eligibility never mentioned by congress lately?

By: Adman on 11/8/12 at 11:57

One thing Obama should do is contact the Cayman Islands to stop off shore tax havens. Romney, you can run but you can't hide (your cash). He should also nationalize oil & gas and put the Koch's and BP out of business. These types of industries should be govt run as they are critical to our national security.

Moonglow you are truly scary. Thankfully we are still a Republic and not yet a dictatorship. No President has the power to do what you suggest.

By: Mike Burch on 11/8/12 at 11:57

Yogi,

What about agents for other countries proving American politicians like Romney and Ryan with millions of dollars?

Sheldon Adelson and other pro-Israel agents tried to buy the presidency. Romney and Ryan took millions of dollars from them.

Perhaps rather than worrying about politicians' birth credentials, you might want to look at who they're really working for. Follow the money ...

By: brrrrk on 11/8/12 at 12:04

The irony of the recent election is that the Republicans lost primarily because they believed their own bullshit and after the election refuse to believe that everyone else could smell it....

Perfect example, yesterday Rush was bemoaning the loss; not understanding why they lost so much of the Hispanic vote because "there are more Hispanic Republicans in Congress than there are Democratic" (not sure about that one). Cynically Rush believes his own BS thinking that Hispanics will blindly vote for another Hispanic regardless of policy, but Hispanics understand that BS is BS and bad policy is bad policy. It's the smell, Rush.......

By: gdiafante on 11/8/12 at 12:11

Hispanics are largely Catholic, which you would think would fall right into the GOP's hand. They just keep alienating people.

On the flip side, the Democrats shouldn't pat themselves on the back and think they've solved how to win elections. Obama won fewer electoral/popular votes than in 2008. There is no mandate.

I want to see Boehner and Obama in a room negotiating until they can produce a viable plan. It's going to have to have tax and entitlement reform. Everything should be on the table. This is about our future, for christ sake.

.

By: yogiman on 11/8/12 at 12:20

BigPapa,

Personally, I don't care what you and all of your co-posters think of, or about, me. You have that privilege to make your remarks. You are the least of my worries. And by that Constitution, I also have the privilege to think of and about you all as I do. I am concerned about the future of my now adult children's, and my grand children's, futures.

I was educated as what the Constitution of this nation was written for and how is was to be honored and lived by. I was taught the meaning of that littlel booklet in my civics class in grade school. I realize the times have changed, but that little piece of paper our founders wrote for our futures still means a hell of a lot to me. You have your privilege to ignore it by the way it was written. But you all vividly think I should think like you. What would be your reactions if I vividly expressed my opinion you all should think like me?

I understand you younger people of today don't give a damn how that little booklet was written as a guide for this nations future.

When 'Obama' was allowed to run for the presidency by congress in 2007 with out asking him for proof of eligibility, I concluded then our nation was going to hell in a bucket.

Of all the "arguments" over the last 4 years, 11 states made assurances they was going to pass a bill requiring proof of eligibility. How many states did Barry have to prove his eligibility?

Why did you have to show a photo ID to prove your eligibility to vote but Barry Soetoro aka Barack Obama didn't even have to prove he's a US citizen?

His name is Barack Obama? Prove it.

By: gdiafante on 11/8/12 at 12:26

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Don't try Papa. Yogi has an aversion to truth, sanity and any form of intelligence...in other words, he's dumber than a box of rocks.

By: yogiman on 11/8/12 at 12:49

Mike,

Your comment about campaign money affirms my argument about limits of campaign support money.

How many billions was spent in this presidential race? How many millions in the House or Senate? A hell of a lot more than they will make in a term. How much of it came from foreign people and foreign nations? For what reason?

My beliefs: The president should be limited to a limited amount from a citizen of this nation. After all, they are who they are in office for. Corporations and industries should be banned. The president isn't in office to represent them and they can give money to share and stock holders who may oppose the candidate they want to give to. I wouldn't like it worth a damn if I knew my stock money was spent on Barry.

The Senate: A limited amount only from the citizens of the state they are going to represent. Again, they are not in office to represent corporations and industries.

The House: Only from the citizens of the District they are going to represent. Again, they are not in office representing the corporations or industries.

I realize they do, but that isn't what they are elected to do, and they should doing the job they were elected for instead of constantly running for re-election while letting their staff do their job.

By: BigPapa on 11/8/12 at 1:00

You just seem to be hung up on one thing and you cant let it go. broken record. pick a day and talk about other things you disagree with the Dems on, and only go back to the birth certificate every 3rd friday or something like that.

I spout off lot of stuff, some on here think Im a right wing tool, other think a lilly livered pinko Dem.
When Im actually just a lilly livered pinko tool

By: Adman on 11/8/12 at 1:41

My question about Obama is why he won't release his educational transcripts. Bush did, Kerry did, Gore did. I suspect Romney would have if he had been asked. Actually if I had been Romney I would have offered to release my tax returns if Obama released his transcripts. There must be something there he doesn't want to see the light of day.

By: Loner on 11/8/12 at 1:46

I wonder, is the looming, "financial cliff" really a precipice...or is it a steep grade?

The Bush tax cuts are set to expire on 12/31/12...does this mean immediate financial disaster...or has the merry-go-round ride for the one-percenters merely ended? Automatic federal spending cuts are also set to kick in.

Of course, Congress will have to raise the debt ceiling next year too...there could be a snag there too....credit down-rating, perhaps.

But is this a "financial cliff"?

I'm not the only one to be skeptical about the fear-mongering coming from Wall Street. Here is a snippet from an informative article:

"Then too, the doomsday scenario isn’t going to happen because tax increases will bite into personal incomes over time, and spending cuts will affect government procurement over time, says Martin Edwards, associate professor, Whitehead School of Diplomacy and International Relations at Seton Hall University. “These changes can, if left unaddressed, slow down the economy, but it won’t be instantaneous, and we might never notice it.”

Source:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/sherylnancenash/2012/06/22/fiscal-cliff-fact-or-fiction/2/

By: Loner on 11/8/12 at 1:54

The paper chase:

Adman and Trump want to see President Obama's College Transcripts...Yogi and Trump want to see Obama's "real" Birth Certificate...Adelson and Netanyahu want to see Obama's Death Certificate.

By: Adman on 11/8/12 at 1:57

Actually Loner, if we go over the fiscal cliff tax rates will rise for everyone back to the pre Bush tax cut levels. A fact that is often overlooked is that the Bush tax cuts reduced tax rates across the board not just the top marginal rate (that is a little harder to demonize). The spending cuts will go into effect immediately Jan 1, and from everything I have read they are draconian. It was designed that way to try and force the super-committee last year to do something, and not just kick the can down the road. they kicked the can down the road anyway.

As to the debt ceiling, we will reach that before the end of the year. It was raised 2.4 trillion dollars 15 months ago and we are about surpass it. It's sorta like being maxed out on your credit card and instead of dealing with it you ask the CC company to increase your credit limit. The difference here is that the borrower has the CC company by the short hairs.

By: Adman on 11/8/12 at 1:59

The paper chase:

Adman and Trump want to see President Obama's College Transcripts...Yogi and Trump want to see Obama's "real" Birth Certificate...Adelson and Netanyahu want to see Obama's Death Certificate.

gee Loner your clever, you can make jokes but you won't answer the question. Why won't Obama release them?