Up for Debate: Summitt's last stand?

Monday, February 27, 2012 at 1:04am

With golden credentials, Pat Summitt helps lead the Lady Vols to upcoming SEC Tournament, but will it be her last go-round from the sideline?

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By: Loner on 2/27/12 at 6:27

Good morning, Jock City!

With golden credentials, Pat Summitt helps lead the Lady Vols to upcoming SEC Tournament, but will it be her last go-round from the sideline?

Androgynous Pat?

Actually, I don't know and frankly I don't care about basketball in general; it's a silly game that is flawed by nature, IMO and "ladies" basketball seems even more ridiculous...in my most humble of opinions.

With all the serious stuff going on this morning, this particular debate subject seems to be quite vapid and vacuous.....it's bread & circus in Jock City.

By: govskeptic on 2/27/12 at 6:42

With the lack of attention to this online edition of the City Paper, it appears it's
life is about to be short lived!

By: dargent7 on 2/27/12 at 6:44

Yeah, Loner, the Oscars would of been a better topic.
Or the maniacs rioting in Kabul over the USA throwing a couple Qu'rans in a dumpster.
I cannot believe both Bush's put us anywhere near that place.
Both Admins. had Harvard and Yale MBA's and PhD.s and how dumb can they be?

By: Loner on 2/27/12 at 6:58

The NCP is one of the best online comment boards anywhere, IMO. It would be a tragedy to see it go. It's not too small and not too big...no overt censoring and no delays...no silly "flag for abuse" feature, or "likes" and "dislikes" feature...it's straight poster-to-poster dialogue...we have developed a unique online community with a wide range of opinions and ideas.

I love the NCP and I'll stand up for it anywhere, anytime.

By: gdiafante on 2/27/12 at 7:00

Um, darge, they burned the books. Very German of us. But you're right about one thing, when the best and brightest in our country our dumb enough to think we can win there, why do we expect the rank and file to be any better?

By: gdiafante on 2/27/12 at 7:02

s/h/b are

By: Loner on 2/27/12 at 7:07

Darge, the Qurans were thrown into a "fire-pit" at Bagram Air Base...if GIs were manning the disposal site, we never would have heard about it. Thanks to Dick Cheney's fetish for privatization, the fire-pit was operated by Afghan locals...they spotted the Holy Books in the trash and walked off the job...blabbing and cursing the US...Islamic holymen picked up on that and amplified the incident....riots have spread across the country...it's not going away...this is a very serious incident.

In all probability, some idiot decided to be an A-hole and threw these Qurans into the trash deliberately...how could anybody over there not know that desecration of the Quran is considered high sacrilege? This was probably deliberate, IMO and the culprit should face courts martial.

By: Ask01 on 2/27/12 at 7:19

I agree Loner.

I have abandoned all the other local boards for a variety of reasons, many you have mentioned. I often wonder if some boards are administered by someone related to management, otherwise unemployable.

That said, I believe Pat Summitt should bow out gracefully while still in the public's good graces.

Too often, sports and other public figures try to hang on beyond their prime, with disasterous, embarassing results.

I believe it a truly sad, almost painful situation, watching someone trying vainly to relive past successes when everyone except that person knows their best days are behind them.

While I haven't followed closely her career, I do know the name and that she is well regarded. Before her illness revealed last year catches up, she needs to exit on her terms, ahead of the curve before the cheers turn to jeers.

The public can be so fickle and downright vicious.

By: Loner on 2/27/12 at 7:29

Afghanistan has been dubbed, "the graveyard of empires" for good reason. Fools rush in where wise men fear to tread.

We hastily attacked and invaded Afghanistan after 9-11...the war was fully under way by October, 2001...Bush and his henchmen channeled and directed the seething anger of the American public at Al Qaeda and the Afghan people who gave them aid and comfort.

Maybe we should have attacked the Saudis; 19 of the 9-11 hijackers were Saudis....that war would have been damn quick, IMO. the Saudis would have been caught by complete surprise...the cowardly and spoiled rotten royals would have fled the country en masse...their military is pretty much ornamental, we could have probably seized the Saudi oil wells intact.

Saudi Arabia is the head of the snake...Bush grabbed the tail end of the wrong snake we are being bitten...once again....Obama was left holding the tail end of two vipers...Afghanistan and Iraq.....meanwhile we are feeding the head end of the biggest snake, Saudi Arabia with $4/gallon gasoline...and that price may double by November....if the Israelis attack Iran.

My apologies to snake-lovers out there...snakes act without malice...humans act with extreme malice.

By: dargent7 on 2/27/12 at 7:35

TCP message board is alot of fun. Used to be better, but many regulars have bailed.
House, Blanket Nazi, Big Momma, Chief....Their printed edition comes out Sunday nite's now and is ok for light reading.
The Tennessean has lively discussions. 80% Republican, but it shows you why Tenn. is and always will be, a RED state. The LTE's are always fairly good. A good mix of right and left. But the local topics are boring to absurd: hens in backyards, guns in bars, in parking lots, slaughter houses for horses, the war(s), bombing Iran.
The Facebook link is dominating these boards.
USA Today has too many posters, Comments can easily reach 100-200 on any topic so it's lost it's neighborhood appeal.
San Diego Union is just about right for me...75% Democratic.

By: Rasputin72 on 2/27/12 at 7:35

YOU GO, LONER! Tell it like you see it and live it. Pat Summitt has probably until this morning never been a topic of conversation in your household. Then again you have probably never been a topic of conversation in her household.

I detest womens basketball but I have to give her credit for the monumental accomplishments she has made at the task of women's basketball coach at the University of Tennessee in Knoxville.

By: Rasputin72 on 2/27/12 at 7:38

LONER.....Your comments about Saudi Arabia warrant some merit.

By: Loner on 2/27/12 at 7:42

Ask01 wrote: "The public can be so fickle and downright vicious."

Examples abound....especially in pro sports...they live by the sword of competition and they often fall victim to it.

Joe Paterno's sudden fall from grace comes to mind....they still have OJ Simpson's name on the stadium wall at the Bill's stadium....last I knew that is...have not been to a Bills game in years....they are not so "vicious" in Buffalo, I suppose....the team is cursed, some believe.

By: yogiman on 2/27/12 at 7:50

It seems several different "arguments" are in line this morning, so... What about Barack Obama going on TV asking African Americans to vote for Obama? Is that racism? Could it, or should it, be considered racism? And it should also be noted he didn't mention white American voting for himself.

What if Ron Paul came out and asked white American to vote for himself? Would that be called racism? I'd say you could bet your a$$ it would be.

Isn't it time we got racism out of the presidential race?

By: Loner on 2/27/12 at 7:50

Rasp...I get this strange feeling that your compliments are actually sarcastic and disingenuous...please, set the record straight....using only the medium of text, it's often difficult to detect sarcasm.

I respect your right to express your opinions and you do so in articulate manner. You seem to debate in a civil manner; hopefully, you are not trying to yank my crank.

By: Loner on 2/27/12 at 8:10

Over the weekend, Richard Santorum claimed that JFK's 1960 speech, in which he called for "absolute" separation of church & state, "made me want to throw up."

Santorum ad nauseum?

One sharp-witted poster called the outspoken candidate: "Sick Rantorum". That's punny stuff, IMO.

By: Loner on 2/27/12 at 8:16

As for Pat Summit, she's at the summit of her game; she might stand pat, claim the pot and take her chips to the cashier's window...or stay in the game with a losing hand and end up folding, after losing it all.

By: yogiman on 2/27/12 at 8:47


How many winners have you ever known to step down at the "end of their game"? Why give up millions a year before you die or get ousted?

By: Loner on 2/27/12 at 8:54

Santorum attended Penn State during the Sandusky era....is there a correlation?

Where is the footage of Santorum speaking in tongues? It's gotta be out there...or soon will be...fabricated by you-tube pranksters. Maybe the Dems are saving it for the general.

Santorum's version of the Gospel is not the same stuff that the nuns told us kids...back in the early fifties.....we heard about a wonderful loving man, who was tolerant. That Jesus was an unarmed pacifist and a non-political person. He did not believe in violence for any reason, even in cases of self-defense....and he had no desire for earthly wealth....he claimed the wealthy would be hard pressed to enter his kingdom....in heaven....a purely spiritual place.

According to Santorum's witnessing for Jesus, the man was a militant Zionist who hated Arabs, Persians, gays and secular humanists. Where did Santorum learn this heretical gospel? He did not get that stuff from the nuns, that's for sure....sounds like he listened to too much "Christian radio"...the right-wing theocratic radio networks.

The Catholic Bishops ought to distance themselves from this heretic, not embrace him...in my exceedingly humble opinion.

By: Loner on 2/27/12 at 9:03

Yogi asks a fair question:


How many winners have you ever known to step down at the "end of their game"? Why give up millions a year before you die or get ousted?

Because you can't take it with you, money can't buy time, love or good health. There comes a time to disengage and enjoy one's retirement, IMO...some disagree with that idea. If one enjoys their vocation, then doing it until the end has a certain special case appeal....seems like most folks don't really like their current occupational situation, if they had their "druthers", they would do something else.

By: Loner on 2/27/12 at 9:08

I left the final "t" out of Pat Summitt's surname in my 8:16 post...I regret the error...mea culpa.

By: Loner on 2/27/12 at 9:14

Darge, I agree with your 7:35 post. Where are Ben Dover and Serr8d? John Galt and Bnakat? I miss those right-wingers....and those posters that you mentioned.

The NCP (TCP) webmaster might want to send those inactive posters an invitation to return to the site...an Email with some current comments might entice them to come back...pastoral outreach to the wayward sheep? Why not?

By: BenDover on 2/27/12 at 9:14

Summitt is an amazing coach. It's sad that she will not be able to continue for many if any more years.

By: BenDover on 2/27/12 at 9:21


Looks like they were using the Quran's and other books to pass messages back and fort and incite violence. Still a stupid mistake to burn them.

I wonder if someone high in the Obama administration will step up and do the right thing and resign.

By: Rasputin72 on 2/27/12 at 9:52

LONER......You may not read my posts always with the same understanding. Yes, there was a little bit of sarcasm in my post about Pat Summitt. There was NONE in my reply to your comment about Saudi Arabia.

We obviously do not always agree. We do agree on more things than you may realize.

By the way,there was only a wee bit of sarcasm in my Pat Summitt.

By: dargent7 on 2/27/12 at 10:55

Loner: The current Sanitarium commercial where he evokes JFK's speech from 1960 (!)...The Beatles weren't formed yet, and says "It makes me want to throw up.."
JFK was Catholic, and America didn't want a Catholic President. So, Jack distanced himself from his/ all religions.
Sanitarium is certifiable.

By: govskeptic on 2/27/12 at 11:40


Your 8:16 posting about Pat Summitt indicates what a dumb ass and naive
poster you are on many subjects commenting on in this state!

By: Ask01 on 2/27/12 at 12:13

Yogiman makes a good point asking how many step down voluntarily, and Loner makes the equally good point about that money cannot buy time, love, or good health.

To Loner's list, I would add one more..... respect. The respect of the fans, grudging perhaps at first, from those who wanted to see 'just one more year' and self respect for making, and sticking to a decision, and most important, not becoming a joke, a caricature of the former star, the subject of some talk show hosts opening comments.

Timing is indeed, everything. Knowing when to step down with grace and dignity demonstrates enormous insight and strength of charcter.

By: yogiman on 2/27/12 at 4:26

Loner does make sense on his point money can't buy time, love or good health. But you can sure leave your kids a hellava lot more if you stay on the job until they fire you.

By: Ask01 on 2/27/12 at 5:41

I suppose I am just unethical or greedy, yogiman, but I believe, had I been blessed with superior athletic ability worthy of playing pro sports, I would opt for the retirement while still of sound enough mind and body. Hopefully, I would have invested wisely, providing a nest egg from which to draw.

Then, and here is where greedy and unethical enter the picture, I would spend as much time as possible as a paid motivational speaker, raking in as much cash as possible with as litttle harm to my body as possible. (OK, the liver might suffer, but I expect my internal organs to take one for the team now and then.)

By: Loner on 2/27/12 at 5:44

Just to make sure that my ego did not over-inflate, my good friend, Govskeptic, steps in to release some of the gas:

By: govskeptic on 2/27/12 at 11:40


Your 8:16 posting about Pat Summitt indicates what a dumb ass and naive
poster you are on many subjects commenting on in this state!

Thanks, Gov, I needed that. But next time, don't sugar-coat it.

Had a great time in Niagara Falls, CA over the weekend....protested at the County Courthouse this afternoon...as usual....3-4 every Mon.

Good to see Ben Dover is still bearing the torch for the righties.

Rasp, thanks for the reply. I appreciate your civility..but, as you say, we will disagree on many issues. We may find common ground, for differing reasons.

And Yogi is acting decidedly un-troll like today...this posting community may be small, but the quality is first rate....there are some crappy comment boards out there...I certainly appreciate this little corner of the internet landscape.

By: yogiman on 2/27/12 at 7:33


I know, and understand, you don't know me, so you can call me a troller, saying I am trolling or simply being a troll on this site. So be it. But to give you a little knowledge about me: I say it like I think and feel it is. Take it or leave it. I know we don't agree on much, especially on the man in our Oval Office now. But what the hell, you don't know him any better than you know I, do you?

As I have stated before, when it is proven the man is in that office legally, I'll shut my mouth and wish him well; but I know it will never happen.

But because he keeps himself so enclosed from the public, that should scare the hell out of you as a ex-GI.

By: localboy on 2/28/12 at 9:01

Pat Summitt...not only has she been the best in the women's game, she should have been named coach of the men's team many years (and coaches) ago. College basketball has been the developmental league for the NBA for as long as memory serves (re: see coach Cal) yet not only did she turn out a winning product, from all appearances she impacted in a positive way generations of her basketball players, turning out good citizens...which speaks volumes about her personal as well as professional qualities. What better subject to extol versus the overworked (and overwrought) subjects continually brought forth ad extremum?