Up for Debate: Is there a need for enacting Voter ID laws?

Monday, August 13, 2012 at 6:36pm

A new report suggests that the basis for voter ID laws — widespread voter fraud — might be thin at best. What do you think?

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Tagged: debate | voter ID law

276 Comments on this post:

By: yogiman on 8/13/12 at 5:35

If you have to show identity to buy a pack of cigarette or a "six pack" of bear, why should anyone resent identifying themselves to vote for the highest office in this nation?

If they have to identify themselves to get their driver's license and to enter school, voting is only one more issue. Hell, identify yourself and prove you're who you say you are.

Hopefully Illinois will pass that law and Barry will have to identify himself to vote for himself in November. He'll need that "extra" vote to usurp again.

By: Captain Nemo on 8/13/12 at 5:58

I think it is just another way for the far right to take control. The fraud has been in the GOP for sometime now.

By: yogiman on 8/13/12 at 7:06

You got that reversed, nimrod. the Democraps are the fraud executives.

By: Ask01 on 8/13/12 at 7:58

Considering the low incident of actual voter fraud, I believe the only justification for the new laws is to block the people who might not agree with a particular party from voting.

After all, they cannot always depend on having a relative in power in a contested state, or a sympathetic court system to rule in their favor.

The biggest problem for 'the party' is everyone knows the real reason, no matter how loudly or obnoxiously they deny the self evident truth.

By: parnell3rd on 8/13/12 at 10:11

The recent shooting in Texas is the fault of President Obama.He did not step in and stop the eviction notice with a beer summit. He was to busy playing golf.

By: Captain Nemo on 8/13/12 at 10:21

I belive that biggest voter fraud took place in Pennsylvania and it was the Republicans.
I will have to look farther into it I get home.

At the moment I am over Texas.

Maybe one I might do this in front of the old farts house.

By: Ummm... on 8/14/12 at 4:38

Voter ID laws, and "voter fraud" are only being touted by one political party- the Teapublicans. There's a reason for that, and it isn't because they are the most concerned with the security of the ballot box. Anyone with half a brain knows what they are trying to do.

By: Loner on 8/14/12 at 5:00

Good morning, Nashville.

No doubt about it, the Republican party is fully engaged in a program of deliberate voter suppression....especially in the so-called "battleground' or "swing" states. The flawed Electoral College system has created the right conditions for this sort of dastardly deed.

Getting the vote out is difficult; suppressing the vote is relatively easy, as was demonstrated in the Jim Crow South for over a hundred years. Today's Republicans are taking a page out of the white supremacist Democrat's old playbook.

There is zero evidence of massive voter fraud anywhere in the country; the issue is totally fabricated by the party of high hypocrisy....the tea-addled Grand Old Party...the Party of Tricky Dick Nixon....Abe Lincoln must be turning in his grave to witness the complete degradation of that once honorable political party.

By: Loner on 8/14/12 at 5:04

Thank you, NCP Editors, for the fresh UFD topic....one more day of Mark Clayton would have broken the camel's back.

By: dargent7 on 8/14/12 at 5:05

It only makes common sense.
I'm 52, my hair is going white, and I get asked for ID when I buy beer, cigarettes, chewing tobacco, glue, paint thinner, spray paint, aerosols, AquaNet, and now bath salts.
When the Police pull me over, obvious racial profiling being from Mich., I get asked for ID.
At Wells Fargo, cashing my payroll check, I get asked for ID.
Voting for the President of the United States doesn't supercede all of this crap?
Get the freakin' ID folks. Show who you are with pride.
Except when buying the bath salts.

By: yogiman on 8/14/12 at 5:07

What they're trying to do, Ummm, is get legal voters in the voting booths.

I don't know it as a fact, but I was told about a neighbor that voted in three different locations on every election. It seemed he owned farms in three different locations and was registered to vote in all three.

And, nimrod, if you get in front of this old fart's house you've done went way past urine.

By: Loner on 8/14/12 at 5:10

Uh....can we keep the tone civil, boys? It's too early in the morning for body fluid humor and playground name-calling.....can't we debate issues without personal sniping?

Thanks.

By: parnell3rd on 8/14/12 at 5:17

Yea, only democrats will elect a Mayor who does not have a residence in that city, Chicago.
I like how the democrat racist do not want to show id when they vote. But, to buy beer, tobacco, use a credit card, fly on a plane, buy a house, rent an apartment, buy a gun, etc they have to show photo id.
You have the same lame arguments everytime how having to show a photo id prevents people from voting. Then how come showing a photo gov't issued id does not stop everything else from happening?
Voter fraud is why some states with commen sence are purging the dead people from their records.
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By: parnell3rd on 8/14/12 at 5:22

Oh and how can we forget democrats creating the "poll tax" to keep blacks from voting in elections. Thereby creating an amendment. Yea, let's talk about how the democrats suppress every one but white people.
How democrats preventing Native Americans from speaking their language until WWII came along and they needed "code talkers"
Oh, let's not forget the democratic woman who started Planned Parenthood, of course she was only thinking of the Black people.
Yea, those DEMONcrats are good people.

By: gdiafante on 8/14/12 at 5:31

Of course this issue is thin. Documented cases of fraud is negligible and has in no way, shape or form even come close to influencing an election. However, instituting what is essentially a poll tax will have a significant effect on the outcome of an election, as the intent is to hinder a specific voting block.

It's as clear as the space between yogi's ears.

By: gdiafante on 8/14/12 at 5:33

Good retort, parnell...

But...but...but...they did it so why can't we?

I'll be sure to tell my four-year old about that one. It's on his level.

By: dargent7 on 8/14/12 at 5:34

The above guy's on meth.
All the Repubs want to do is cut, recind, and cancel all minority focused programs: Planned Parenthood, Welfare, Foodstamps. Gut Social Security and Medicare.
Make it a federal crime to be homeless. Lock people up for 20 years for an ounce of weed.
But, start several useless wars in worthless countries.

By: Loner on 8/14/12 at 5:34

Parnell is referring to the Solid South Democrats of the Ante-bellum, Reconstuction and Jim Crow eras. LBJ lost that voter block when he signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964....Nixon reached out to those disgruntled Democrats and they fled the Democratic fold, the white supremacists joined the Republicans, the switch was completed by the time the 1968 Presidential elections came around.

Parnell is simply regurgitating invalid talking points from the right-wing talk shows.

Today, the Democratic Party is the party of inclusion and tolerance ...the Republicans are the party of exclusion and bigotry....the roles were reversed, thanks to Tricky Dick and the white supremacists.

By: dargent7 on 8/14/12 at 6:04

Great news!
Chris Christie, who is mimicking the Hindenburg before the explosion, is going to be the "Key-Note Address" speaker at the Teapublican convention.
Wow! "He's a straight talker"....So, freakin' what?
Guy weighs in at close to 400#'s.
Can't manage his weight....so he can motivate Republubs?
What a joke.

By: yogiman on 8/14/12 at 6:10

I've heard some of them are even getting their family dogs to vote, Parnell3rd.

By: Loner on 8/14/12 at 6:14

Good point, Darge...all that volatile hair spray mixed with the off-gassing of so many fat cats in one room...the Republican Convention could literally ignite its base.

By: yogiman on 8/14/12 at 6:14

Loner, as I've noted before; stay off my back and I'll stay off yours. Quit throwing pebbles at me and I'll quit throwing stones at you.

That's always seemed fair enough to me, but too many of you think it's a one way street.

By: dargent7 on 8/14/12 at 6:18

Oh, yogi..take your stones, gall and kidney, to a local lab for testing.

By: treehugger7 on 8/14/12 at 6:21

The funniest thing I know about Christie was a few years ago when he was being interviewed by NPR while he was driving. He had a wreck while he was doing the interview--the radio audience was treated to the crash and a few bad words--he knew more epithets than I ever heard. Basically IMO he is a big blowhard. Even Romney didn't want him! Great comment, Darg!

By: Loner on 8/14/12 at 6:26

GOP-engineered voter suppression drives in the "battleground states", coupled with unlimited Super-PAC cash could be enough to tip the balance, especially if there is an "October surprise" that pulls the President's poll numbers down quickly.

But right now, most polls show that the POTUS is in an electorally good position.

Willard's ham-handed "world tour" did not help his numbers...the "Kiss my ass!" remark did not go over very well. His sucking up to the Israelis was a bit over the top, even for American tastes....the facade of neutrality - the honest broker image - was totally blown away....Bishop Romney does not seem to understand the theatrics of the relationship....he takes that Scriptural crap seriously.

By: Loner on 8/14/12 at 6:29

Chris Christie does have a Christian-sounding name...that's enough to win the born-agains....Christ loved a pontificating fat man, we know that....so it is written.

By: Kosh III on 8/14/12 at 6:35

Loner,
Just a minor correction: the migration of racist Democrats to the GOP was not complete until after the 72 election because they still had George Wallace the King of Racism to vote for.

I guess Parnell wants to ignore Strom Thurmond and the Dixiecrats whose whole raison d'etre was segregation and inequality. Just like the modern GOP who oppose liberty and equality.

By: Beernazi on 8/14/12 at 6:47

"I've heard that some of them...."
"I don't know it as a fact..."
yogi, all you do is spread rumors, not facts.

Here's a fact:

A lot of Republicans complain about voter fraud. Indiana Secretary of State Charlie White actually committed it
http://www.salon.com/2012/02/27/vote_fraud_retires_shameless_gop_official/

By: Kosh III on 8/14/12 at 6:48

I also assume Parn ignores the fact that the Civil Rights movement was supported and passed by Northern Democrats and LIBERAL Republicans who were then purged from the GOP in the following years.

By: Kosh III on 8/14/12 at 6:50

Finally

Regarding Yogi's comment on ID for driving etc

Driving is a privilege, voting is a right. Apples and oranges.

By: budlight on 8/14/12 at 6:54

Captain Nemo on 8/13/12 at 6:58
I think it is just another way for the far right to take control. The fraud has been in the GOP for sometime now.

If you go to the doctor, they want to see your ID; buying beer - id; getting married - id; and who doesn't have an id, anyway? Illegals?

What about if you are in an accident and can't speak or are unconscious? Don't you need an id to let authorities call your family?

People who don't want to get a valid photo id, don't need to be voting. They are too stupid to vote.

Parnell, these people don't want to equate that racist who created planned parenthood with their agenda. She wanted to have black families kill their children and these people can't fathom that. But people like her who are democrats still exist and they don't want to admit the truth.

By: gdiafante on 8/14/12 at 6:58

People who don't want to get a valid photo id, don't need to be voting. They are too stupid to vote.

Oh yes...more of that Christian attitude...Honey, if they let you vote there is obviously no intelligence requirements.

By: Beernazi on 8/14/12 at 6:59

Elderly citizens are less likely to possess government-issued photo identification. Survey results indicate that seniors disproportionately lack photo identification. Eighteen percent of American citizens age 65 and above do not have current government-issued photo ID.9 Using 2005 census estimates, this amounts to more than 6 million senior citizens.
Minority citizens are less likely to possess government-issued photo identification. According to the survey, African-American citizens also disproportionately lack photo identification. Twenty-five percent of African-American voting-age citizens have no current government-issued photo ID, compared to eight percent of white voting-age citizens.10 Using 2000 census figures, this amounts to more than 5.5 million adult African-American citizens without photo identification.

http://www.brennancenter.org/page/-/d/download_file_39242.pdf

Fact, not opinion.

By: yogiman on 8/14/12 at 7:00

Loner, I'll bet you're a Dumbacrat. Why do I think so? I've not [heard] one negative comment from you about a Democratic office seeker. Nor have I [heard] one positive comment from you about a Republican office seeker. Your comments are along the line of your 7:26 remarks about Mitt Romney.

Yet you make no negative comments about Barack Obama when you don't even know the man's authentic legal identity.

I know I'm a few years older than you, but I also know you've lived through several presidential elections.

Tell me, do you know of one that the candidate didn't kiss any a$$ they thought might vote for them..., Republican and Democrat alike? I know I've voted in more elections than you, and I can't.

By: Beernazi on 8/14/12 at 7:00

Citizens with comparatively low incomes are less likely to possess photo identification. Citizens earning less than $35,000 per year are more than twice as likely to lack current government-issued photo identification as those earning more than $35,000. Indeed, the survey indicates that at least 15 percent of voting-age American citizens earning less than $35,000 per year do not have a valid government-issued photo ID

By: govskeptic on 8/14/12 at 7:00

Of course, the democratic party wants to protect and keep every single
minority group possible, but do the felons, illegals, and dead voters
really make up that big a group for all this nay saying on photo ID's?

While you wouldn't know it from our press, a pretty large majority of
voters in both parties approve of these ID's in this state!

By: oyharward on 8/14/12 at 7:02

Voter photo ID for voting is one way in an effort to prevent voter fraud.

Free and open voting elections are one of the most precious freedoms under our Constitution.

Voter fraud is a Constitutional violation of one of our freedoms; an open election by qualified voters to have their votes entirely counted.

Anyone who opposes this legislation to protect the legal votes of eligible voters would, otherwise, support voter fraud.

By: Captain Nemo on 8/14/12 at 7:03

Posting in front of yogi's cave, I deliver what I promised.

News21 reporters also reached out to election personnel in all 50 states, requesting information on every single reported case of alleged fraud at the polls. The organization’s analysis of 2,068 cases found only 10 related to impersonation. Using those figures, the frequency of poll impersonation is about one in 15 million.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-truth-about-voter-fraud/2012/08/13/7d6f5ad2-e58b-11e1-936a-b801f1abab19_story.html
A partisan motivation behind the voter ID laws has been evident from the start. People without IDs are more likely to be poor and in a minority, groups that vote disproportionately for Democrats.

By: yogiman on 8/14/12 at 7:08

And, Beernazi, I'll bet you 10 dollars to a donut the vast majority of the "seniors" who don't want a photo ID are women. Why? Because they don't like to see their old age photos. I can't remember seeing a man without a photoed driver's license. That was the reason that law was passed.

Are you one of them?

By: Beernazi on 8/14/12 at 7:10

Wow, yogi - you are truly ridiculous!

By: oyharward on 8/14/12 at 7:11

The importance is for each individual legally, qualified voter to have that person’s votes to be fully weighed. “Voter fraud” is a violation of our Constitutional freedoms. “Voter fraud” is an “obstruction to justice” as each counterfeit vote actually diminishes every legally, qualified voter’s values and rights.

Voter ID is required to visit some local County Court Houses, the Governors’ offices, (y)our Capitol Hill office buildings, and the White House. We must show photo ID to drive a car, fly on a plane, cash a check, open a bank account, collect social security benefits, receive food stamps, collect welfare, rent a car, check into a hotel room, pickup tickets, and the list goes on. Voter ID would be provided to those who cannot afford to purchase one.

By: Beernazi on 8/14/12 at 7:11

So, according to your "logic" the law was passed to prevent vain, older women from voting?

By: Captain Nemo on 8/14/12 at 7:12

By: yogiman on 8/14/12 at 7:10
I've heard some of them are even getting their family dogs to vote, Parnell3rd.

Back to the dogs he goes. Did they lick them thar (sic) dogs to get there vote. How many times does your dog vote yogi?

By: Captain Nemo on 8/14/12 at 7:13

By: budlight on 8/14/12 at 7:54
Captain Nemo on 8/13/12 at 6:58
I think it is just another way for the far right to take control. The fraud has been in the GOP for sometime now.

If you go to the doctor, they want to see your ID; buying beer - id; getting married - id; and who doesn't have an id, anyway? Illegals?

You have an ID under the bridge?

By: Captain Nemo on 8/14/12 at 7:14

By: gdiafante on 8/14/12 at 7:58
People who don't want to get a valid photo id, don't need to be voting. They are too stupid to vote.

Oh yes...more of that Christian attitude...Honey, if they let you vote there is obviously no intelligence requirements.

LOL

By: yogiman on 8/14/12 at 7:19

You youngsters probably don't remember it, but there was a voter fraud in Athens, TN (McMinn County) in 1946. WWII vets stepped into the picture.

There's an article on it in the August 2012 issue of the VFW magazine.

By: StephenII on 8/14/12 at 7:21

NCP; "A new report suggests that the basis for voter ID laws — widespread voter fraud — might be thin at best."

If this is a non issue - why do some of you cry that this a Republican conspiracy to suppress? Suppress what... The VERY few aren't wise enough to have a photo ID.

Voter Fraud is as wrong as voter suppression. You can't have both ways.

By: Captain Nemo on 8/14/12 at 7:23

A Blanket whips yogi with words he stutters and shudders with imbecilely yammer.

By: Beernazi on 8/14/12 at 7:24

lol, Nemo!

By: yogiman on 8/14/12 at 7:25

Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, Beernazi.