Up for Debate: Is there a need for enacting Voter ID laws?

Monday, August 13, 2012 at 6:36pm

A new report suggests that the basis for voter ID laws — widespread voter fraud — might be thin at best. What do you think?

Filed under: City Voices
Tagged: debate | voter ID law

276 Comments on this post:

By: gdiafante on 8/14/12 at 7:27

Pay attention, stephen and read very slowly...

Voter fraud is thin...the resulting voter suppression would far outnumber the very few fraud issues.

And the issue isn't intelligence (or more than a few people who post here would be ineligible to vote). It's the ability and means to obtain a valid ID. This amounts to a poll tax on those who aren't financially or physically able.

You should be concerned about that. I'm not surprised you aren't.

By: yogiman on 8/14/12 at 7:34

Kosh III,

I believe you'll find voting, like driving, is a privilege, not a right. Or aren't you aware criminals don't have the right to vote?

By: bfra on 8/14/12 at 7:43

Dumb, Dumb yogi! Criminals lose a lot of rights, voting is one of them. Voting if you are eligible is a right!

By: Captain Nemo on 8/14/12 at 7:43

“Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.” Someone like yogi being locked in a closet all of his life, beauty must be very dim.

By: bfra on 8/14/12 at 7:45

Nemo - He uses that phrase when referring to "anything". That tells you, the old koot doesn't even know what it means.

By: BenDover on 8/14/12 at 7:54

Election day in Memphis and Chicago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p53kJX64ieQ

By: Rasputin72 on 8/14/12 at 7:54

The answer is, ABSOLUTELY! There are so many people voting for their wages and income that stuffing or cheating at the ballot box is second nature.

My opinion is that the underclass and lower class is breeding at such an alarming rate that stuffing the ballot box will become superfluous in the very very near future.

These people may be a dreadful sight but in a democracy like ours their votes count and they are voting for "free stuff"

By: brrrrk on 8/14/12 at 7:56

yogiman said

"If you have to show identity to buy a pack of cigarette or a "six pack" of bear, why should anyone resent identifying themselves to vote for the highest office in this nation?"

You do..... when you register to vote.

By: Captain Nemo on 8/14/12 at 8:05

Bring out your dead. LOL Ben.

By: Captain Nemo on 8/14/12 at 8:10

Ben I am going to be hearing that all day now. lol

By: Loner on 8/14/12 at 8:19

When it comes to a government-issued photo ID cards, the "little government" conservatives have suddenly become full-blown statists....again, the GOP is the party of grand hypocrisy....the Republicans want everyone to be required to carry and be ready to present their "papers" to the authorities...and they have the chutzpah to call Obama a "communist" and a "socialist"....the Republicans are now advocating for more police-state style governance.

By: gdiafante on 8/14/12 at 8:32

No one's saying voter fraud doesn't exist, Ben. It just doesn't exist on the level you think it does to substantiate voter suppression.

Nice try.

By: Loner on 8/14/12 at 8:36

Raspy likes the idea of screening out the self-serving "underclass' and the "lower class"....he's a Grey Poupon-stained Patrician....thinks the Plebeians are breeding like rats....the Emperor needs to take charge, this democratic republic stuff is too humane...where is Caesar?

By: Kosh III on 8/14/12 at 8:37

Right you are Loner.
The GOP/TPers/Right are full-blown Fascists in the classic definition: extreme nationalism; state religion; the marriage of government and corporations; government contol of social life and xenophobia.

They wave the flag and worship the military, demand their version of Christianism, serve the corporations who have bought them, tell citizens who they can and cannot marry and who can and cannot have "rights" and "liberty" and of course kick out the Mexicans, coloreds (like the uppity nixxer in the WH) and anyone else not a WASP.

Francisco Franco is NOT dead. :)

By: slacker on 8/14/12 at 8:37

Upon hearing that King Herod had ordered his beheading, John the Baptist says ''but.. but.. I voted for him twice!''

By: yogiman on 8/14/12 at 8:39

You're right to a point, brrrrk. But you didn't have to prove who you are when you go to vote.

By: Loner on 8/14/12 at 8:40

Bust the unions! Suppress the vote! Tax breaks for the wealthy! Screw grandma! Deport the brown-skinned! Guns for everyone! Demonize the gays! Death to the Muslims!

Oh yeah, reaching out to the Southern Christian whites has had its effect on the Party of Lincoln....the elephant is draped in the Stars & Bars....pathetic.

By: Loner on 8/14/12 at 8:47

I forget a few more GOP commandments: Screw the kids! **** the federal government! Terrorize Planned Parenthood!..... and last, but not least: Drill! Drill! Drill!

That's the Republican 12-point program for America.

By: Loner on 8/14/12 at 8:48

Wow! The word filter finally kicked in...the F-bomb triggered the device.

By: gdiafante on 8/14/12 at 8:48

and "privatize...privatize...privatize...". Because if there's one thing that's clear since 2008, Wall Street can be trusted...

By: Loner on 8/14/12 at 8:51

Excellent point, Gd...the "private contractors" are milking the federal treasury like manure-stained udder brudders.....they skim the cream and leave the rest for "guvmint" to take care of....same old BS....new manure-spreader.

By: budlight on 8/14/12 at 8:54

gdiafante on 8/14/12 at 7:58
People who don't want to get a valid photo id, don't need to be voting. They are too stupid to vote.

Oh yes...more of that Christian attitude...Honey, if they let you vote there is obviously no intelligence requirements.

Takes one to know one you dimwit! Honey, you are so judgemental that it's a crying shame.

By: govskeptic on 8/14/12 at 8:54

The best Republican commandment will be to tell the States of Calif.,NY,
and Illinois to go play with yourselves when they come crying for the
Federal Government to bail them out of their self-imposed debt crisis!

By: BenDover on 8/14/12 at 8:55

It is detected in a small percentage of the whole and prosecuted in an even smaller percentage, gd; but the problem is that a small percentage often decides the vote.

Requiring people to show ID for something so important as a vote is not too much to ask.

All of this disenfranchisement talk is mostly spin and smoke-screen to protect time-honored practice of shady voting districts stacking the boxes the way they want them.

By: dargent7 on 8/14/12 at 8:55

This is a prevalent topic over at the Marxist paper called, The Tennessean.
Seems half of Tenn. lives in rural areas, having no phones, mail delivery, bathrooms, running water, electricity, etc.
Grandma and pa don't know Reagan still isn't president. "9/11?" "What's that?"
They're all holed up watching re-runs of "I Love Lucy" with aluminum foil on their rabbit ears.....
F****!
Get out the vote, people!
Ever know any old people? They have nothing to do. Ever.
They knit or gossip. Usually at the same time.
Gather them up in a van and take them to a picture ID station.
Geez!

By: yogiman on 8/14/12 at 8:55

Loner,

Have you read Obama's autobiography? You know, "Dreams from My Father", the book where he told how he was raised in a family with Muslims on his paternal side and .communists on the maternal side of his family?

If you haven't, maybe you should, because the only reason you have given in his favor is his race. You don't know anything about him because he refuses to identify himself.

Have you changed your "way of life" from the way you was raised as a child? If you have, you're amongst the "few and far between". And the vast majority I have known who did change their "way of life" usually turned out to be criminals.

As I have posted before, to accept someone as your president and you don't even know their legitimate name makes me wonder about your intelligence other tan to say you'll vote for anyone as long as they say they're a Democrat and refuse to prove it..

By: budlight on 8/14/12 at 8:57

Beernazi on 8/14/12 at 7:59
Elderly citizens are less likely to possess government-issued photo identification. Survey results indicate that seniors disproportionately lack photo identification. Eighteen percent of American citizens age 65 and above do not have current government-issued photo ID.9 Using 2005 census estimates, this amounts to more than 6 million senior citizens.

Beer, you've been in the beer too much. IF an elderly person does not have a government issued photo id, how are they getting their benefits from Social security, such as medical? Every time I go to the doctor since I joined up with the so-called medicare, I have to show my "driver's license". So duh! These people must not be getting medicare benefits.

I'm so tired of all this rhetoric. How in the sam hill can a person prove who they are if they don't have an id. I bet if it meant getting FREE stuff from the government and the ID was required, they'd all have one. Of course.

By: Loner on 8/14/12 at 9:01

Cherry-picking privateers....Corporate welfare....Sweetheart no-bid contracts...Deregulation...that's the kind of stuff that the campaign "donations" are actually purchasing....and it's all perfectly legal....it's part of "American Exceptionalism"....no other nation spends that kind of money in its electoral contests...we are special...and we are shamelessly exporting our "democracy" to those who "need it".

Who do we think we are?

Special interests finance the show and call the tune...the public's interest is ignored...the public election financing option is usually declined.

Obama spent 752 million dollars to get elected...a record amount....the Democrats are also on the take. With the advent of the Super-PACs, things will only get worse.

By: budlight on 8/14/12 at 9:02

Rasputin72 on 8/14/12 at 8:54
The answer is, ABSOLUTELY! There are so many people voting for their wages and income that stuffing or cheating at the ballot box is second nature.

My opinion is that the underclass and lower class is breeding at such an alarming rate that stuffing the ballot box will become superfluous in the very very near future.

These people may be a dreadful sight but in a democracy like ours their votes count and they are voting for "free stuff"

Rasp, I didn't read your post when I posted. And I said the same thing. I bet if these numbos thought they had to have a gov-ment issued id to get FREE stuff, they'd have one in a heart beat with no fuss about it. And they vote for their leader who gives them the FREE STUFF.

OH well, you and I (and yogi and others like us) are paying for it. I'm so tired of this free stuff mentality. Last year we (US gov-ment) paid 1 billion dollars in free cell phones and that freebie is just catching on with the "gimmie" crowd! It will double next year. They will all need to be called to tell them who to vote for just before they go in to vote with NO PICTURE ID. Can anyone say ACORN?

By: Loner on 8/14/12 at 9:05

Let us not feed the troll(s).

By: yogiman on 8/14/12 at 9:07

So where do you live, dargent7? You're constantly posting your ignorance with your remarks about old Tennesseans being "holed up" watching re-runs.

Wouldn't it be fair for them to say you and your fellow posters on this site are just sitting there in front of that "puter posting back and forth?

By: Captain Nemo on 8/14/12 at 9:07

By: budlight on 8/14/12 at 9:54
gdiafante on 8/14/12 at 7:58
People who don't want to get a valid photo id, don't need to be voting. They are too stupid to vote.

Oh yes...more of that Christian attitude...Honey, if they let you vote there is obviously no intelligence requirements.

Takes one to know one you dimwit! Honey, you are so judgemental that it's a crying shame.

Can you believe this cow calling others judgmental? LOL HONEY!

By: Captain Nemo on 8/14/12 at 9:12

BTW she misspell judgmental.

By: gdiafante on 8/14/12 at 9:12

Takes one to know one you dimwit! Honey, you are so judgemental that it's a crying shame.

Yes, I am. The difference being, I'm not religious and don't pretend to be something I'm not. You're the reason why I detest the bible belt and the vast number of hypocrites that reside here.

The sad thing is that you so completely misunderstand Jesus' message. Why is it that the ones who don't believe seem to get his teachings more than those who supposedly believe?

By: gdiafante on 8/14/12 at 9:13

Well nemo, she's not the sharpest knife in the drawer...

By: Loner on 8/14/12 at 9:14

In New York state, we go to the assigned polling place...local poll-watchers know most of us by name....we have to sign a book that has our signature on record....the poll-watchers check the signature and mark us as having voted....the system has worked very well since earliest days of our republic, why re-write a hit?

The GOP is engaging in voter suppression; all the euphemisms in the English language will not alter that fact. All the small "d" democrats must have been expunged from the post-Nixon Republican Party. The bigots drove them away.

By: Captain Nemo on 8/14/12 at 9:17

But she is the only knife in that drawer, gdiaf.

By: Loner on 8/14/12 at 9:20

Gd... I listen to Christian Radio...according to their "gospel", Jesus was a non-union carpenter and packed heat....he hated the Arabs....he despised gays and eschewed secular governance....he hated taxes...he was a death penalty advocate...a Zionist....a fan of the military....and a heterosexual virgin male stud.

Obviously, our trolls listen to that gospel....not the sissy gospel.

By: BenDover on 8/14/12 at 9:21

Why re-write a hit?

Because that's not how they do it in Memphis and Chicago, Loner... and Upstate NY too for that matter.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/286557/yes-virginia-there-really-voter-fraud-hans-von-spakovsky

By: gdiafante on 8/14/12 at 9:24

Looks like the topic gave Ben something to do today...search for every obscure voter fraud case in the country.

While your searching, can you find me a new Sinatra CD collection for around $30? The Capital years would do nicely. Thanks, man.

By: yogiman on 8/14/12 at 9:25

True, Loner, most of the poll watchers know everyone; especially the old timers, but they often don't know the new comers. So should they just say; okay, you can vote because I reckon you're who you say you are.

By: yogiman on 8/14/12 at 9:33

Loner,

You call me and those that agree with me as "trolls". So what does that make you; an antitroller?

So what should we trollers call you and urin, trotters?

By: BenDover on 8/14/12 at 9:33

Well gd would you agree that the voter fraud cases are a subset of all voter fraud?

Would you agree that voter fraud cases prosecuted are necessarily a smaller subset of fraud that has been discovered?

Would you agree that although cases prosecuted are a small portion of the total vote; and that voter fraud, prosecuted + discovered and not prosecuted + undiscovered, can be the deciding factor in many tight races?

This isn't politics, this is common sense. To use the idea that fraud is a small portion of the electorate and dismiss the fact that even a small number of votes can swing the election is to ignore the importance of the problem.

It is in no way unreasonable to require a photo ID to assure the person voting is who he says he is.

By: Loner on 8/14/12 at 9:35

Ben, I told you folks how we do it in upstate NY...believe it...or not.

We have lots of Hispanic migrant farm workers here...I have never seen one in line to vote....I doubt if anyone in the Empire State has ever seen Hispanic "illegals" lining up to vote in any election ever. They mind their own business.

Actually, the all or none EC vote system and the gerrymandering of the districts makes a lot of this stuff moot...the major parties are bosom buddies...gentleman's agreements have reduced the size and depth of the playing field...we now have about 10 "battle ground states" and that number shrinks with each election cycle, or so it seems.

The major parties have hit the "Easy Button"....the major media prefer the reduced work-load, high financial yield set up. ...why reform it? Nobody wants to rock that boat...not even Ron Paul.

By: gdiafante on 8/14/12 at 9:38

Ben, when I was a teenager I had several fake ID's. They're not hard to get and easier to forge now with technology. This isn't going to do much to curb fraud, in fact, it may increase it.

As with immigration, instead of creating new laws, how about enforcing the ones on the books now? If dead people voting are a problem at a local level, then the local level needs to tighten up and do it's damn job.

By: Captain Nemo on 8/14/12 at 9:40

Loner of New York the Anti-troller (sic).

By: bfra on 8/14/12 at 9:40

Searching just about any phrase, with give pro & con sites. Ben just cherry picks the sites that agree with him at the time.

By: yogiman on 8/14/12 at 9:40

dumbo,

You should take a few lessons before you jump on the bandwagon and criticize someone for a misspelled word. Have you checked your spelling lately?

You should, often.

By: Captain Nemo on 8/14/12 at 9:45

Just returning the favor you like to do so much, old fart.

By: yogiman on 8/14/12 at 9:46

bfra,

Can you name anyone, including yourself, that doesn't cherry pick their favorite flavored cherries?