Up for Debate: Is there a need for enacting Voter ID laws?

Monday, August 13, 2012 at 6:36pm

A new report suggests that the basis for voter ID laws — widespread voter fraud — might be thin at best. What do you think?

Filed under: City Voices
Tagged: debate | voter ID law

276 Comments on this post:

By: Captain Nemo on 8/14/12 at 9:47

Better watch it yogi, or I will turn Blanket loose on you LOL

By: Loner on 8/14/12 at 9:48

Let me dabble in some neo-shamanology:

My crystalline spheres of clairvoyance tell me that the Republicans will be quite successful in their attempts to disenfranchise the poor, the elderly and minorities. A national voter ID card may be coming down the pike.

The good reasons for the card will be well publicized. The real reasons will not.

I can see a time, in the not too distant future, when all voters will swipe their Voter ID cards into a scanning device, in order to vote....the scanners will be tied into data bases maintained by federal, state and local law enforcement agencies , Homeland Security, Internal Revenue, Child Support Agencies, Motor Vehicle Departments, Selective Service, FBI, CIA etc. Flags will pop up.

Only the super clean sheeple will dare to vote...most folks will be too intimidated.....and that's just the way the power brokers want it.

The crystal balls grow dim now...storm clouds inside the globes...not a good sign.

By: Beernazi on 8/14/12 at 9:50

yogi, we may pick cherries but at least we don't drink your kool aid. We post links providing facts. You post opinions and rumors. Big difference.

By: Captain Nemo on 8/14/12 at 9:55

Rabbit pellets and cherries all look the same to yogi.

By: bfra on 8/14/12 at 9:56

Beernazi - yogi doesn't know what facts are.

By: Loner on 8/14/12 at 10:03

We New Yorkers (it's a state, not just a city), register in order to be eligible to vote......then we go to the assigned polling places, where they are ready to greet us...old-timers and new-comers...people do not just walk in and pull some levers, as the GOP would have us believe....only registered voters can exercise their right to vote in NY....the registration process vets the applicants....the system is working just fine...besides, the EC system guarantees blue state status...so the whole thing is grand theater....much ado about damn little....as it turns out.

But voter intimidation is definitely here to stay....it's gonna get a whole lot worse. The oppressors have the technology to terrorize....they will use it.

When the cops haul Ben Dover out of the voting booth and trot his arse down to City Court, to pay an old parking ticket, he may realize that the lone one's predictions were understated.

Be careful of what you wish for Ben....my old friend.

By: pswindle on 8/14/12 at 10:11

The biggest fraud that this country has known was the election of 2000. The steps that were taken by Jeb Bush as Governor of Fla., the GOP and the Supreme Court will go down in history as the worse of the worst. This country is still trying to pick itself up by its boot-straps. There will always be a footnote to Bush in not winning the election, and that has been proven when the votes were recounted in Fla. So, the GOP has no credibility on fraud. They are the party of fraud. They cannot win on merit.

By: Captain Nemo on 8/14/12 at 10:23

I find it amusing that the right wing will shriek at any thoughts of government control, yet they go with so much a whimper at this first step toward the Orwellian society they are pushing us toward.

BTW shut up yogi. This is my free speech moment.

By: yogiman on 8/14/12 at 10:23


Al Gore couldn't carry his home state. Have you ever wondered why?

If he had, the debates in Florida would not have been. You should remember, Al did everything he could to block the GI's votes. Why? Afraid he could not win them?

How many specified extra counts did he call for? Only the ones he thought he would win. How many did he gain more votes in?

By: yogiman on 8/14/12 at 10:26

Do you only get a free speech for a moment, nemrod? What do you get after that free speech moment, the right to shut up?

By: BenDover on 8/14/12 at 10:27

In 2008 Al Franken became one of the most powerful men in the United States because a little under 1100 felons illegally voted for him in the Minnesota US Senate race. Franken lost the vote but contested it and chipped away at absentee technicalities and military votes until he squeaked a 312 vote majority. Franken went on to become the 60th vote for the Democrats in the Senate quashing the Republican filibusterer and giving to us the Health Care Reform Act more commonly known as Obamacare. Scott Brown was elected on the promise of blocking any reconciliation measure out of the Senate so the House had to pass the Senate version with the promise from the White-House that the reconciliation concerns would be addressed by executive order.

313 Felons voting in Minnesota in the 2008 US Senate election arguably gave us the most divisive and budget busting entitlement in US History.

To say that voter fraud doesn't count and is insignificant to American politics is absurd.

By: Captain Nemo on 8/14/12 at 10:31

Al Gore lost Tennessee, because the Tennessee Democratic Party was falling into ruin do to Uncle Ned’s not letting any fresh talent rising to the top.

By: Captain Nemo on 8/14/12 at 10:32

Only if you will yogi.

By: yogiman on 8/14/12 at 10:40

That ain't kool-aid of mine you're drinking, Beernazi. I only make good home brew.

But you're comment about my opinions and rumors; are they only things I have read about Barry, written by him, his personal opinions and rumors? Me thinks so.

So why are you calling him a rumormonger and a liar?

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/14/12 at 10:45

Out of curiosity, just HOW would this block people from voting?

After all, if you want to buy beer, buy cigarettes, drive a car, cash a check, or do much of anything ELSE...you have to have proof of ID.

So...just HOW would this restrict anyone from voting?

By: Captain Nemo on 8/14/12 at 10:50

You know yogi you have the right to shut up too.

You might rethink about tactically Blanket, cause she whips your butt every time.

By: yogiman on 8/14/12 at 10:53

Captain Nemo,

Please allow me to refresh your memory. When you started these asinine remarks on me, I offered if you would stay off my back, I would stay off of yours. You ain't and I ain't.

To refresh your memory a little further, every comment I have made to you is a follow up of your remark to, or about, me.

Shall we fall in line to friendly comments enclave?

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/14/12 at 10:54


Al Gore lost Tennessee because he turned his back on everything he said he was FOR while a Congressman and Senator, just to be Clinton's VP.

There was NO WAY we was going to win.

By: Captain Nemo on 8/14/12 at 11:00

If anyone disagrees with your lack of thing yogi, then you consider it is jumping on your back. So what are people to do just go along with the old fart and make it a perfect world for you? Well it is not a perfect world and people like you make less than prefect.

By: bfra on 8/14/12 at 11:07

I get so tired of "if Gore had won his home state". It wouldn't have mattered, he won the popular vote, but the fix was in for Bush. Bush was going to win no matter, Jeb had promised Bush FL, way before the election.

By: Captain Nemo on 8/14/12 at 11:07

The Democratic Party of Tennessee started crumbling with Ned’s election to Governor, chief. Gore’s campaign in Tennessee was under Ned’s leadership and cronyism and in thinking that Tennessee was in the bag. The Democratic Party is not looking for any new talent to replace the old guard,

BTW vote write-in Park Overall.

By: Captain Nemo on 8/14/12 at 11:09

shb thinking not thing.

By: Captain Nemo on 8/14/12 at 11:10

I got to go for a time, but I will return today.

By: BenDover on 8/14/12 at 11:23

The NRA kicked Gore's ass. It's a case study as to why the gun grabbers don't show their true colors on the national stage anymore.

By: yogiman on 8/14/12 at 11:49

How good would Jeb's promise to his brother have been if Al had carried Tennessee, bfra? There wouldn't have been any recount claims.

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/14/12 at 12:03


Gore would have lost Tennessee anyway. Far too many people were not happy with the way he did a 180 on his positions. That's my opinion on it.

By: BenDover on 8/14/12 at 12:08

Hi Chief... you back in the states?

By: BenDover on 8/14/12 at 12:18

"Searching just about any phrase, with give pro & con sites. Ben just cherry picks the sites that agree with him at the time."

No... I made a very good point that you guys wish to ignore because you like the spin better. Although voter fraud (that is identified and prosecuted) is a small portion of the voting population it is often very important to the outcome of the election.

I further went on to illustrate several situations when this has been the case... one establishing Obamacare as the most expansive entitlement and government expansion of our generation.

You guys just start chirping in the chorus of White-House spin without considering the whole implication of what is going on. Voter fraud isn't some statistical nil that has no impact; it is a very important problem that we should take basic common-sense measures to prevent.

By: slacker on 8/14/12 at 12:27

Hi chief, glad you're back.

By: slacker on 8/14/12 at 12:51

Admittedly the Repubs. pushing the photo requirement, are trying to head off the Unions busing in of rent-a-voters in swing states. This election appears to be so close, both sides will be lawyered up at every poll in swing states. If Obama loses, we may see tanks in the streets of some cities.

By: MamaG on 8/14/12 at 1:05

I know (some of) you all have missed me! LOL

By: yogiman on 8/14/12 at 8:25
Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, Beernazi.

Yogi, Beauty is in the eyes of the BEERholder. Especially at closing time.

By: budlight on 8/14/12 at 10:02
...OH well, you and I (and yogi and others like us) are paying for it. I'm so tired of this free stuff mentality.

Sidney, sidney, sidney, any of us who pay taxes pay for the government's antics. We aren't necessarily like you and yogi and other like you. Thankfully.

My mother has no photo on her driving license. That is not to say she doesn't have a photo ID. I can assure you it isn't because of vanity that she doesn't have a photo on hers, it is simply a matter of not wanting to deal with the hassles of the DMV.

By: BenDover on 8/14/12 at 1:06

MamaG! Wow... it's reunion time!

By: MamaG on 8/14/12 at 1:10

I know Ben! It is election time, always brings us back 'home' right?

By: BenDover on 8/14/12 at 1:13

I try to keep my toes in it year-round MamaG but it's more fun around election time.

By: MamaG on 8/14/12 at 1:17

I haven't had proper time to visit in a long while and sometimes, it's just too much to handle around here. I do remember when I first began posting--during the time leading up to Bush's first election, so it has been several years now. Glad to see some familiar folks still around.

By: slacker on 8/14/12 at 1:17

Hi MamaG, glad you're back. I feared you had married some rich, non-tax paying Republican, and dumped us Bots.

By: MamaG on 8/14/12 at 1:19

Hey Slacker! Glad to see you're still around too! NO! I'm waiting on you dear! ;-)

By: MamaG on 8/14/12 at 1:20

Happy 71st Birthday to David Crosby today! WooHoo! Celebration at 4:20!

By: slacker on 8/14/12 at 1:31

Crosby is 71, his liver is 17, and likes to party.

By: MamaG on 8/14/12 at 1:32

LOL! I wonder if he has a photo ID with which to vote? Does his liver have a separate id?

By: BenDover on 8/14/12 at 1:37

Blanketnazi popped up a few weeks ago too, MamaG. She's been in and out.

By: slacker on 8/14/12 at 1:39

Crosby's liver.. is a liver without borders.. plans to vote for Obama in every state.

By: Captain Nemo on 8/14/12 at 1:43

Hello MamaG...what you know? 69 ;-)

By: MamaG on 8/14/12 at 1:43

Thanks for that, Ben. I've been missing all you guys! Does anyone know what happened to idgaf? last I was around, speculation was he wasn't any longer. Sad, that.
LOL, again, Slacker! Good one!

By: brrrrk on 8/14/12 at 1:46

This is why the GOP is pushing voter id's....


By: MamaG on 8/14/12 at 1:48

Hey Captain! Don't know much news, how's things with you? Hope all is well. Are you still traveling with your job?

By: Captain Nemo on 8/14/12 at 1:54

Yes, MamaG I am, but I am in the middle of a two week vacation at the moment.

By: BenDover on 8/14/12 at 1:56

Or it could be that we don't want a repeat of Al Franken Felons giving us another Obamacare.

By: MamaG on 8/14/12 at 1:58

That's all I get for the whole year, Nemo! I will get another one next year though...planning to use it wisely. I've taken some time off but haven't gone anywhere. I took a week when my son came home from his year in Europe. That was fun! Now, he's back in Atlanta for his junior year of college...grown up and gone for all intents and purposes! I've been taking a lot of jewelry making classes and hope to take a beginners German class beginning next month.

By: Captain Nemo on 8/14/12 at 2:10

That sounds interesting there Mama. I kept telling myself to do something like that, maybe photography. I am behind the time with the digital cameras now; all I can do is point and shoot. However I can shoot as many shots and then delete the bad ones later.