Up for Debate: Unrest in Egypt

Tuesday, July 2, 2013 at 11:32pm

What do you think should happen in Egypt regarding the current standoff between President Morsi (Morsy) and the country's military? Should Morsi call elections? Should the military back down?

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134 Comments on this post:

By: brrrrk on 7/3/13 at 10:21

yogiman said on 7/3/13 at 6:49

"It's pretty obvious I know a helluva lot more than you, bfra. I know the man you see as "your President" is in that office illegally.

So, I'm lying? Prove me wrong. It should be easy if you have any facts."

I'm still waiting for evidence from yogi that proves he doesn't have intercourse with farm animals..... BAAAA!!!

Prove me wrong yog-ster. It should be easy if you have any facts....

By: bfra on 7/3/13 at 10:31

brrrrk - :-)

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/3/13 at 10:32

bfra, they're probably scared of getting deported. Wouldn't you be? If you were raised as an American and have no ties culturally or otherwise and if you come forward you run the risk of being deported? That's what this bill is trying to solve.

By: budlight on 7/3/13 at 10:36

By: bfra on 7/3/13 at 10:03
Blanket - I do wonder about the ones, even if brought here illegally as young children, that are old enough now to be out of school & have made no effort to become a legal citizen. It kinda goes against wanting to be here to better themselves & because they love this Country so much.

Their kids do not respect what they have been given -- and I mean "given" cause no one is working for it.

Blanket, if I stole 1 million from a bank and got away with it, then somewhere down the road, I died and left it to my children, is it theirs? Well, probably not if someone proved it was stolen money to begin with. I do not feel an obligation to someone's child who brought them here illegally. The parent should suffer the consequences of their behavior and if that means they take their children "home" and start the legal process, then so be it.

There are rules in life; there are those who follow the rules and life goes on -- smoothly and without major glitches - most of the time. Then there are those who have no regard for the rules and life for them is chaotic almost all the time.

Yeah the illegals who live under the radar seemingly have a good life. BUT I can assure you, they are stressed out and afraid all the time. BUT I still would not reward their bad behavior with a free pass to citizenship. And how many of them will be able to afford a fine? Oh, it will probably be a $5 fine! Yeah, that's dooable.

By: brrrrk on 7/3/13 at 10:38

Does anyone else think it's ironic that North Carolina's new draconian anti-abortion laws were snuck in on the back of an anti-sharia law; a form of law that would surely ban abortions? Think about it...... they are essentially banning a form of law that does exactly what they're doing.

By: bfra on 7/3/13 at 10:39

bud - With all the dirty laundry you have aired on this board, where do you have room to question someone for what you consider bad behavior?

By: brrrrk on 7/3/13 at 10:39

For God's sake bud, get down off that cross of yours.... we need the wood.

By: bfra on 7/3/13 at 10:40

brrrrk - Again :-)

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/3/13 at 10:44

bud, that's making a whole lot of assumptions about people you don't know. And it's not rewarding bad behavior - they were children and had no say in the matter. We also do not have the money and infrastructure to remove everyone. So you're cutting off your nose to spite your face because it's not "right" in your eyes. Not everything in life is "right."

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/3/13 at 10:46

You should read the stipulations of the bill - it's not exactly a "free ride."

By: govskeptic on 7/3/13 at 10:48

The Egyptian Army is the 2000 pound gorilla in that country. Their military and the
US Military are pretty closely in contact and listen to each other. Of course, our
3 billion dollar a year to Egypt for Military purpose influences all that greatly. We
thought the people were smart enough when they got their election, but that hasn't
worked very well first time out, maybe next time will get better for all concerned.

By: bfra on 7/3/13 at 10:55

bud makes up stories to try to get her point across! Hilton Head a few weeks ago was certainly not lacking in hispanics, so I doubt Myrtle Beach was either.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/3/13 at 10:57

gov, I'm not confident they actually had a clean election. It is a big hot mess over there.

By: yogiman on 7/3/13 at 11:31

B2,

That may have not been Reagan I hear made that comment but it sure looked like him. And it was in a comment he made well after he had left office.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/3/13 at 11:37

yogi, can you prove that?

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/3/13 at 11:40

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/reagan_would_not_repeat_amnesty_mistake_/

Here's my proof saying it is heresay. Can you prove otherwise?

By: yogiman on 7/3/13 at 11:41

You must be bfra's twin, brrrrk. You're so willing to call me a liar but you're never willing to offer any evidence.

And I don't have to prove what what I do, or don't do, on my farm. It ain't none of yore damn business.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/3/13 at 11:43

In his farewell address Reagan talked about a "shining city on a hill" — now a mantra of modern Republicanism. "And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here," Reagan said.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/national/memory-of-immigration-reform-under-ronald-reagan-haunts-current-debate/1273597

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/3/13 at 11:44

Where's your "evidence," yogi? Just something you "remembered"?

By: brrrrk on 7/3/13 at 11:46

budlight said on 7/3/13 at 9:50

"Thanks Blanket for the info.. IMO the entire World would be better off with NO Muslims."

I agree. Any religion that has brought us people like Casey Kasem and Dr. Oz has got to go... they are a scourge on our society, especially Casey Kasem!!!

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/3/13 at 11:48

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128303672

Peter Robinson, a former Reagan speechwriter, agrees. "It was in Ronald Reagan's bones — it was part of his understanding of America — that the country was fundamentally open to those who wanted to join us here."

Reagan said as much himself in a televised debate with Democratic presidential nominee Walter Mondale in 1984.

"I believe in the idea of amnesty for those who have put down roots and lived here, even though sometime back they may have entered illegally," he said.

By: yogiman on 7/3/13 at 11:53

B2,

If there's 11 million illegal aliens (as they claim) here, why should we have to pay them to go home? Would you pay even your friends to go home after visiting you?

If our government went by the laws on the books those people would head for the border as fast as they could get there when they are "put on the line". But why go if they can get American welfare handouts?

I'll admit, I feel sorry for the children; but it's their parents fault, not ours. And I'm sure they would learn how to live in their native country as easy as they were learning how to live in the USA.

There are legal ways to come to the USA and many people are spending millions of dollars and taking the necessary time (often years) to come here. No illegal alien should be accepted.

I'll admit, that's my way of thinking. If you're in favor illegal aliens coming here illegally, maybe you should open your door and invite them in.

By: brrrrk on 7/3/13 at 11:53

yogiman said on 7/3/13 at 11:41

"You must be bfra's twin, brrrrk. You're so willing to call me a liar but you're never willing to offer any evidence."

And of course, yogi misses the point..... no surprise.

By: yogiman on 7/3/13 at 11:57

Yep, something I remembered, B2. I didn't make notes of it when I heard it. If I had known I would ever need it as a reference, I would have recorded his talk back then.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/3/13 at 11:57

yogi, what part of "we can't afford deportation" do you not understand? No one is "in favor of illegal aliens" but the situation is much more complicated than that. Apparently you haven't even read the bill.

By the way, have you found proof yet about your Reagan quote?

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/3/13 at 11:59

So, in other words no have no proof to back up what you say but you want other people to provide proof? You're such a disgusting little jerk who thinks just because you say it, it's true. Idiot.

By: yogiman on 7/3/13 at 12:01

Want some good reading, B2? You, too, bfra. You might not like it so you can call all of them lies.

conservativepapers.com/news/2012/04/04/a-case-for-impeaching-obama/#.UdRK323vGxh/

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/3/13 at 12:01

yogi, this is why people call you a liar. You just state whatever you want with no proof and expect people should just believe everything you say. And you continue to repeat yourself after shown PROOF that you are wrong. So, are you wrong? Did you "misremember"? Apparently so.

By: brrrrk on 7/3/13 at 12:02

Hey yogi,

If you think it's tough making it on your government backed social security, your government subsidized medicare, your government subsidized VA benefits, and your your government protected pension now..... just wait till all your illegal aliens are booted out of the country and the price of food skyrockets because of the shortage of cheap labor.....

You'll be squealing like one of those little farm animals that you're NOT having intercourse with.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/3/13 at 12:03

Ah, the old bait and switch. yogi, you can't ever admit when you're wrong, can you? LOL. What an idiot.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/3/13 at 12:05

Exactly, brrrrk. People like yogi don't understand the big picture. Cause and affect. Also, many of those people pay taxes into programs for which they will never benefit. It's more complicated than saying "it ain't right - ship 'em back."

By: pswindle on 7/3/13 at 12:11

This is what fighting for freedom looks like.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/3/13 at 12:14

Wow, check this out! The threat of a military coup!

In response to last weekend's violent protests, Egypt's Supreme Council of the Armed Forces issued a 48-hour ultimatum to President Mohamed Morsi "to meet the demands of the people" or the army will intervene.

http://liveblog.abcnews.go.com/Event/Live_Updates_Egyptian_Army_Threatens_Coup_in_48_Hours_2

By: brrrrk on 7/3/13 at 12:16

This whole Reagan quote thing reminds me of how the right wing is now trying to hang the "Soft bigotry of low expectations" quote on to Senator Patrick Leahy..... you know, it's a way of them saying, "See, see, Democrats agree with us".... the problem is that one of W's speech writers admit to coining the phrase for one of W's speeches.

By: bfra on 7/3/13 at 12:19

brrrrk -yogi - Farm? Hills & rocks for which he get gov. funds for claiming it's a farm.

By: brrrrk on 7/3/13 at 12:23

bfra said on 7/3/13 at 12:19

"brrrrk -yogi - Farm? Hills & rocks for which he get gov. funds for claiming it's a farm."

Oh, I just assumed yogi kept those little critters in his bedroom... you know, ease of access and as a kindness to his neighbors... what with all the squealing and all.

By: bfra on 7/3/13 at 12:34

brrrrk - With what people say that live in & around Gordonsville, he probably does.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/3/13 at 12:49

Yet he has the audacity to get mad at other people for government subsidies - lol!

By: brrrrk on 7/3/13 at 12:53

And speaking of wastes of skin..... where's our Juggy these days?

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/3/13 at 12:57

OMG, brrrk - stop! You're going to conjure that idiot!

By: yogiman on 7/3/13 at 1:11

Tell me, Illegal immigrant admirers,

Why should illegal aliens be rewarded for breaking our laws? If they want to come to the USA so badly, why don't they simply fill out the official papers and come here legally when they would all be welcome if they were here legally?

Why are the illegal aliens being offered benefits that legal immigrants can't get?

And by the way, B2, how about proving me wrong instead of just posting it like your friend bfra.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/3/13 at 1:23

Illegal immigrants are not offered benefits that legal immigrants can't get. Why don't you post proof?

yogi, I've been proving you wrong all day. Did you not read the posts and the articles referenced? Or is it that you can't admit you're wrong?

Oh wait....when you think you're wrong about something you start screaming "usurper" and try to change the topic (although we've proven you wrong SO many times on that and we're tired of repeating ourselves).

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/3/13 at 1:33

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Myths_and_facts_about_immigration_to_the_United_States

I thought you could use to read this, yogi.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/3/13 at 1:34

Problems that arise when blanket deportation is attempted

It's fair to assume that industries that are largely dependent on the hard work of illegal immigrants would collapse, or at least suffer a major setback.

The cost of the program would be massive; law enforcement would need a huge amount of extra resources and manpower to put deportation into practice, and the courts (y'know, due process and all that) would also have a shortage of money and labor.

Many children of immigrants are natural-born US citizens. Hence, blanket deportation of illegal immigrants would necessarily entail expelling many US citizens as well.

By: bfra on 7/3/13 at 1:46

Blanket you are fighting a useless cause. The brainless blob proves everyday, he does not comprehend English.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/3/13 at 1:48

bfra, you are correct. He has absolutely no comprehension skills.

By: brrrrk on 7/3/13 at 2:01

"These conservatives are really something, aren’t they? They are all in favor of the unborn, they will do anything for the unborn, but once you’re born, you’re on your own! Pro-life conservatives are obsessed with the fetus from conception to nine months. After that, they don’t want to know about you, they don’t want to hear from you. No neo-natal care, no daycare, no head start, no school lunch, no food stamps, no welfare, no nothing! If you’re pre-born, you’re fine. If you’re pre-school, you’re ****ed."

"They’re not pro-life. You know what they are? They’re anti-woman. Simple as it gets, anti-woman. They don’t like them. They don’t like women. They believe a woman’s primary role is to function as a broodmare for the state. You don’t see many of these anti-abortion women volunteering to have any black fetuses transplanted into their uteruses, do you? No, you don’t see them adopting a whole lot of crack babies, do you? No, that might be something Christ would do!"

George Carlin

By: yogiman on 7/3/13 at 2:04

Okay, B2,

Prove me wrong on the citizens of Egypt''s admiration of your man Barry.

Ref: www.infowars.com/egyptian-protesters-blame-obama-for-morsi-dictatorship/

Why has Obama supported a highly know Brother Muslim as a dictator?

You might also want to prove me wrong on Obama welcoming foreign military personnel in the USA to train here. Hell, can't they train at home?

Ref: infowars.com/foreign-troops-are-already-operating-inside-america/

Could this be part of the buying all of that ammunition?

Unless you all want it, I hope to hell you guys are prepared for dictatorship by Obama (if that's his name).

By: budlight on 7/3/13 at 2:09

Blanketnazi2 on 7/3/13 at 11:43
In his farewell address Reagan talked about a "shining city on a hill" — now a mantra of modern Republicanism. "And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here," Reagan said

I would hardly think that Reagan or anyone else is implying the illegals when the say the "doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here". Criminals have the will and the heart, but do you want them next door to you Blanket?

Being vetted for citizenship is just a no-brainer. You have to get vetted to have a job; to go to college; to get a hair dresser license; a barber license, etc. So why are you all so opposed to vetting prospective citizens.

Are you even aware that nail techs, hair dressers and massage therapists have to have a criminal background check? What about day care?

What if someone was a pedophile in their country and got here illegally and allowed to stay? How's that background check going to work? It won't.

I just say Let everyone be equal and do the same things when it comes to citizenship. No exceptions, unless they are truly persecuted for political or religious reasons.

By: yogiman on 7/3/13 at 2:22

My computer must not be as educated as yourn, B2. I tried to read your 1:33 post several times and it keeps commenting; "Whoops! The page could not be found. Try giving it another change below.

But I couldn't find anything 'below'. This seems to happen most of the times I try to look at your recommendation. Are you just faking it to make me look like the fool you think I am?