Up for Debate: The vice presidential debate

Friday, October 12, 2012 at 1:30am

What's your reaction to the vice presidential debate held Thursday night? What were the strong points made by each candidate? What were the highlights of the debate? Who do you think won, if either? Why?

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By: Mike Burch on 10/12/12 at 2:38

Vice President Joe Biden found the perfect Irish term to sum up the fountain of nonsense that constantly bubbles up from the overheated cores of Myth Romney and Lyin' Ryan, like a political Old Unfaithful: ... "malarkey."

By: Mike Burch on 10/12/12 at 3:58

ma·lar·key/məˈ lär kē/ Alternative forms: malarky, mullarky. Noun: Meaningless, idle, insincere, phony, pretentious or foolish talk, usually intended to deceive.

The hashtag #malarkey is trending. "Malarkey" was a top four Google search term during the debate. Here's what Biden said: "With all due respect, that's a bunch of malarkey—because not a single thing he [Ryan] said was accurate." Later, Biden hit Ryan with, "This is a lot of stuff," by which he obviously meant "sh*t."

By: Ask01 on 10/12/12 at 4:57

I missed, for better or worse, the debate last night, but from what I've heard, Mike sums up nicely the evenings high points.

Let's face facts, Willard is the consumate stereotype of the slippery, fast talking, used car salesman. Big on generalities, skimpy on details. ( Show us the "taxfax," so to speak.)

With business people, (OK one, anyway,) issuing veiled threats of looming job cuts if President Obama is reelected, the only conclusion is desperation is setting in, and the sour economy is an artificial environment created by the wealthy to become wealthier.

We witnessed the initial stages of decline as President Bush was ending his term in office, and I suspect, but cannot admittedly prove, had John McCain won, the economy would have magically improved.

Instead, as I noted yesterday, (at the risk of sounding like an octogenarian troll with a single talking point) the economy was allowed, in fact, perhaps guided to sour to punish America, not by any diety, (as the far right might suggest) but by wealthy business interests angry the Republicans lost.

That was my morning rant, as I must be off to work where I have a busy day and an interview for a higher position. That and doing my part to stimulate the economic recovery the Republicans so fear.

By: Captain Nemo on 10/12/12 at 5:30

I did watch most of ot and Biden called Ryan on every lie.

By: Captain Nemo on 10/12/12 at 5:39

shb it

I am sure that the right wing will walk away from the debate claming that their man won. But what would you expect from people so far out of the real world say.

By: gdiafante on 10/12/12 at 6:11

DIdn't see it. I started watching the baseball game and when Jayson Werth hit the walk off HR, I knew it was going to be a good night for sports.

Then the Titans won and it all came crashing back down to Earth...

So...how was the debate?

By: yogiman on 10/12/12 at 6:30

Sorry, folks, Biden is right in line with his partner in telling lies and doesn't seem to know what the truth is. He showed no respect nor etiquette in his attempt to ridicule Ryan.

To claim their innocence on the deaths in the Libyan Embassy is showing their "don't give a damn" about the employees deaths. They were asked for help and refused to give it.

By: Loner on 10/12/12 at 6:42

Good morning, Nashville.

I watched part of the debate...as I predicted...it was a load of BS. Both guys promising things they could never deliver....let's face it, the entire federal government is on the take to the special interests.....the special interests (Defense, Israel, Energy, Lawyers, Realtors etc.) paid these pipers and they will call the tunes.

Total Campaign Contributions Received by Joe Biden: $9,463,240

Total Campaign Contributions Received by Paul Ryan: $4,186,933

Source: maplight.org

Those figure are just for the past election cycle....that's two years for a Rep..four for the VP....they are both hauling in about the same amount of tainted cash every year.

The debates are pure theater...the election itself is Democracy Lite, as only a handful of independents in a few swing states will pick the Prez and the Veep....our system is so flawed, it is not suitable for export to the countries whose governments we destroy and then replace....but it's good enough for the American public...go figure.

By: Loner on 10/12/12 at 6:44

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By: gdiafante on 10/12/12 at 6:45

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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Just saying...

By: Loner on 10/12/12 at 6:55

We destroyed the Japanese government, we did not replace it with a system anything like our own. We destroyed the Nazi German government, we did not replace it with a system anythng like our own. Same thing in South Korea, Iraq and Afghanistan. And don't forget, South Vietnam.

If our system is responsible for "American Exceptionalism", then how come we do not export this fantastic product? Why is this perversion of democracy good enough for domestic consumption, but too crappy for export? Why do we sit there and take it?

By: gdiafante on 10/12/12 at 6:59

Loner, we keep to the principle that government derives its power from the consent of the governed. We remove the offending system and then it's up to the people to replace it.

God bless Amurka.

By: Rasputin72 on 10/12/12 at 7:04

I had a higher calling than watching the debate last evening. A fundraiser for Romney and a gin tournament at my club in Florida took an early and late slot on my entertainment and civic calendar.

I could have predicted that anything involving Joe Biden would be a comical and raucous event. Ole Joe is a street fighter that never lets the truth come between him and a chance to be center stage.

I am sorry I missed the event.

It is still an Obama victory based on his very effective use of his class warfare campaign.

I know that if I were making $65,000 dollars a year or less with a much lesser knowledge of how the entire world works I certainly would vote for Obama.

The television is showing cruises at $12,000 dollars a couple for 17 days and Mercedes Cadillac and BMW are advertising cars at $60,000 dollars plus. Roundtrip airfare to Sydney,Australia first class is $10,000 dollars. Private school for my kids will cost anywhere from 8,000 dollars a year to 19,000 dollars a year.

It must be the people that are able to afford these things that make my life only worthy of future cremation without a marker.

By: Loner on 10/12/12 at 7:09

Gd, if we scrapped the Constitution and started from scratch, the infighting, bickering and sniping would never end.... no resolution would be found and the individual states would head for the exits, starting with Texas and the former confederacy. AZ, UT, ID, MT, OR, WA would join the rebels...in other words, we are damned if we try to do something to correct the situation and damned if we don't. The union is more frail than we realize.

God forbid, but if there were a nuclear exchange and we got hit, I doubt if the union of states would survive...pandemonium would set in.....all hell would break loose....warlords would rule.

By: gdiafante on 10/12/12 at 7:10

Fact-checking the debate...

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/abcs-fact-check-team-assesses-debate-joe-biden/story?id=17459881

By: gdiafante on 10/12/12 at 7:14

Oh, I agree, Loner. I'm just pointing out the clear loophole that Mr. Jefferson gave us. Too bad we don't have a score of giften men to lead us like they did in the 1770's...

By: gdiafante on 10/12/12 at 7:16

s/h/b gifted

By: Loner on 10/12/12 at 7:17

Rasp enjoys a little Grey Poupon on his Frosted Flakes this morning....too much gin last night?

We have some great trolls here.....an ex-prison guard who thinks Obama was born in a mud hut in Kenya....we have Miss December 1966....and we have a homeless guy who tries to play the role of Thurston Howell III.....they are knuckleheads...but dammit they are OUR knuckleheads...gotta love 'em.

By: Loner on 10/12/12 at 7:23

I agree, Gd, compared with the Founders, our politicians are empty caricatures. The South tried the Jeffersonian Remedy....that did not work out too well.

By: jvh2b on 10/12/12 at 7:24

Biden wiped the floor w/ Ryan.

But yes...Loner (as usual) nailed it..they are still both politicians....which are like diapers. =)

Anyone else notice the sheer hyprocicasy of the right since they praised Romney for doing esentially the same thing to Obama, but when Biden does it (yet Biden was more calling Ryan out on his LIES) it's bullying/aggressive, etc.

I think Bill Maher nailed it thouh in his tweet: "Hello 911? There is an old man beating a chold on my TV"

By: gdiafante on 10/12/12 at 7:26

No, I consider them like the pest that gets into the house when it turns cooler. You chase it around with a shoe but the damn thing is fast...crafty...you may not be able to bash its tiny little head in, but you can starve it and then flush the disgusting, diseased carcass.

But once you see one, there's usually more. I think what we need is the Orkin Man.

By: parnell3rd on 10/12/12 at 7:26

Romney/Ryan 2 Obama/Biden 0
The Vice Pres. shows the true colors of his Party. He laughs like a maniac and constantly interupted Congressman Ryan.
He gets mad and can't finish his sentences or thoughts.
I find it interesting how Joe Biden has become a multi-millionaire while "fighting for the middle class"

By: parnell3rd on 10/12/12 at 7:27

have a great day, time for coffee and work! got to dry those crying towels out for the demoNcrats.

By: gdiafante on 10/12/12 at 7:28

I did notice where Brit Hume called Biden "rude".

Biden wasn't rude, he said "mularkey" instead bullsh!t...that's pretty polite, IMO...lol

By: gdiafante on 10/12/12 at 7:35

Well, parnell, The Economist would disagree.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/lexington/2012/10/vice-presidential-debate

Now go get some clean towels and take them to Raspy in the steam room. Chop chop

By: gdiafante on 10/12/12 at 7:37

Sorry Loner, I know you don't like Lexington...

By: jvh2b on 10/12/12 at 7:37

Here we are again...the right wing nut jobs calling Biden rude...for calling out Ryan on his b/s.

Yet Romney interrupts and overpowers the moderator...and he's hailed as a great debator. What is it with these Repubs and b/s?

By: yogiman on 10/12/12 at 7:43

Sorry, Loner, I've only offered knowledge given by your man Barry Soetoro aka Barack Obama. Was he lying in his autobiography? I'll admit, he is an every other word liar but that book was years ago and I doubt if the thought he was going to run for president back then.

That's why he changed his place of birth from Kenya to Hawaii in 2007 when he "entered" the race.

What amazes me more is people who backs a man whom they have no idea just who in the hell he is but they're willing to back him all the way to the destruction of the USA.

Haven't you ever wondered why he won't show his identity, and by that, I mean prove it?

It doesn't seem to matter who he is to you and your "buddies" on this site. A political race shouldn't have anything to do with the wondering of who he is.

I'll repeat: Nov. 6 is going to be one helluva day after 4 years of eligibility questions. Will we go back to the good old USA or will the "used to be" good old USA be given to Obama foot loose and fancy free for his future ruling?

By: gdiafante on 10/12/12 at 7:46

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By: Loner on 10/12/12 at 7:56

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By: yogiman on 10/12/12 at 7:58

Just wondering; why did Biden constantly interrupt Ryan? Was he afraid of what Ryan was going to say?

It seems to me the "debate" was pre-programmed. Biden looked to be reading his answers off his papers as if he knew the question before it was asked.

By: Captain Nemo on 10/12/12 at 7:59

(Flush)

By: Blanketnazi2 on 10/12/12 at 7:59

jvh, I was about to say the same thing. Their guy is aggressive and that means he's a leader. Our guy gets aggressive and he's rude. Gotta love their double standards. If there's anything constant about the GOP it is their double standards.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 10/12/12 at 8:00

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Good morning, everyone.

By: yogiman on 10/12/12 at 8:03

Well, boys, (sorry, you're showing your childish mentality, boys) If you knew what you think you know, you would have offered proof to me from the beginning of our differences of opinions.

But you haven't. Why not? Could it possibly be because you don't have any?

By: Captain Nemo on 10/12/12 at 8:03

Double standard is a GOP stable.

By: Captain Nemo on 10/12/12 at 8:04

(Flash)

By: gdiafante on 10/12/12 at 8:06

I'd have to admit you're right blanket. Just read the transcripts and compared with fact-checkers and politifact...seems Biden did what Obama should have in the first debate, called BS when he heard it (which is quite a lot). Though Biden, predictably, stretched the truth himself.

The bottom line is that the GOP is still reluctant to give specifics, likely because the math just doesn't add up.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/oct/11/fact-checking-vice-presidential-debate-between-joe/

By: gdiafante on 10/12/12 at 8:07

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By: Captain Nemo on 10/12/12 at 8:07

My second post was spot on. The silly fringe Bobble Heads live in a world not of this world.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 10/12/12 at 8:08

What I can't figure out is WHO are the undecided voters? I don't know a single person who is "undecided."

By: Blanketnazi2 on 10/12/12 at 8:09

Junior drank too much cheap gin and had a delusion that he was in FL. Gotta stay away from the cheap stuff, Junior. Your liver will thank you for it.

By: gdiafante on 10/12/12 at 8:15

I consider myself undecided, Blanket. Here are my options: Obama or a write-in. That's it. I won't vote for Romney, but Obama doesn't thrill me either.

The undecided are the ones who are capable of switching their vote at the last minute. They may say they're for one or the other, but any little thing, like a poor debate performance, can switch it.

That's the way I take it, anyway.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 10/12/12 at 8:20

I guess I do know a couple of "undecided" voters. They're trying to decide whether to vote for Romney or not vote at all. They're moderate Republicans.

By: jvh2b on 10/12/12 at 8:22

WHat I couldn't get over is why Ryan couldn't awnser a simple Yes or No (and was even provided w/ an escape on the no by the moderator) on his budget plans...and they liar STILL counldn't give a str8 answer.

By: yogiman on 10/12/12 at 8:23

You must be a GOPer, too, gdiafante, because you're still reluctant to give specifics on Obama's identity.

By: gdiafante on 10/12/12 at 8:23

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By: Blanketnazi2 on 10/12/12 at 8:25

The math doesn't add up for his budget plans and he knows it. He has something up his sleeve that he doesn't want to share.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 10/12/12 at 8:26

Let's give some of these trolls a voucher and take away their Medicare and see how they feel then.

By: gdiafante on 10/12/12 at 8:27

You may be my write-in, Blanket.

Well...I don't know.

See? :)