Up for Debate: Warnings of Boston terror?

Friday, April 26, 2013 at 12:18am

What do you make of a report that the Boston terror suspects were flagged as suspicious by Russia? Do you believe U.S. intelligence agencies failed to properly heed the Russian warnings?

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By: Loner on 4/26/13 at 5:08

Good morning, Nashville.

I tried to link to the NYT article cited by the NCP...a big pop-up came on, blocking the text of the NYT article...no way to cancel the ad, so I left the page. The NYT is experimenting with various schemes to make more money off their online product....this is one of their dumber attempts to increase readership.

What do you make of a report that the Boston terror suspects were flagged as suspicious by Russia? Do you believe U.S. intelligence agencies failed to properly heed the Russian warnings?

I believe those reports to be true; the Russians tried to warn us, but somebody here dropped the ball...whoever fumbled, ought to be benched...permanently.

The US authorities spend millions on those highly publicized entrapment scams; they should spend more time and effort on checking out hot tips, rather than setting up gullible dupes and suckers for an orchestrated fall.

By: yogiman on 4/26/13 at 6:04

Are you inclined to believe your known enemies, Loner? Why would Russia care about a bombing in the USA?

By: Kosh III on 4/26/13 at 6:36

Russia is NOT our enemy; the Soviet Union was our enemy but it collapsed due to inadequate domestive spending, excessive military spending and it's war in Afghanistan 22 years ago.
They are an economic competitior just like Japan, Vietnam or the UK.

By: yogiman on 4/26/13 at 6:56

Sorry, Kosh III, but Russia isn't our friends. They are only our acquaintances. That condition may change if Barry can pull his dictatorship out of the bag.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/26/13 at 7:12

I will be leaving for Gordonsville soon. How about lunch, yogi and we can talk about why Russia or less our enemy, than the Tea Party.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/26/13 at 7:16

Poor old yogi he can’t remember what he says from one moment to the next. Yesterday he wanted to know why I was working in Gordonsville and when I replied that he would have to ask that question to my face, he then posted that he did not give a hoot to what I doing in Gordonsville.

I then posted as to why he asks in the first place, to which I get this reply.

By: yogiman on 4/25/13 at 10:38
Excuse me, and explain your interpretation to me, dumba$$, when did I inquire about what you did.

To be blunt, I don't "give a hoot" what you do. It's others who might have to put up with you, not me.

By: budlight on 4/26/13 at 7:29

By: Kosh III on 4/26/13 at 7:36
Russia is NOT our enemy; the Soviet Union was our enemy but it collapsed due to inadequate domestive spending, excessive military spending and it's war in Afghanistan 22 years ago.
They are an economic competitior just like Japan, Vietnam or the UK.

Kosh, by gosh, you are so naive. Putin would have Russia take control of the US in a heart beat, if he thought he could. This time I have to agree with Yogi. They are acquaintances, at best. Distant relatives - very distant - who, if we won the lottery would be closer.

I've met some Russians who hate us. This country has given more foreign aid to other countries than all of them combined. AND we are always there - first to respond in a disaster. AND when we go to help a country out in war time, it is because they asked us to -- as a rule.

If you live in America and benefit from her freedoms, why not show little respect and gratitude? Whatsa' matter? Is it not cool to love one's country?

Notice how JayZ and Bounce' got shut down by the White House. They are not talking about their trip to Cuba-duba any longer. CENSORED! Sounds like Obama is channeling Castro - or Putin - or Un - or any other dictator on the planet.

By: govskeptic on 4/26/13 at 7:37

We have added hundreds of thousands to security and intelligence personnel
along with billions more in cost since 9/11 and still, the right hand doesn't
know a darn thing about the left, one agency about the other, and most
importantly local authorities get no information about anyone until it's too late.

By: BenDover on 4/26/13 at 7:45

The soviet union collapsed because the centrally planned anti-capitalist communist economic model was unsustainable.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 4/26/13 at 7:53

Ben, don't you think the amount of money the Soviet Union spent on an unwinnable war with Afghanistan had something to do with it?

By: Captain Nemo on 4/26/13 at 7:57

Oh no now bud is seeing Russians again.

I know more America Tea Baggers that hate Obama and are willing to see American fail, because of the hate.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/26/13 at 8:09

I think Gorbachev had a lot to do with the break-up of the Soviet Empire.

By: budlight on 4/26/13 at 8:52

Right hand; left hand? They have their heads buried in the sand. 4 weeks ago I was hired by a gov-ment agency; they sent me my paperwork; I filled it out; mailed it in the next day by fedx. Then they called me last week to "offer me a job". I asked "you mean another job in addition to the one you offered me last week"? Oops! They couldn't figure out why they were calling me AGAIN to offer me a job.

Today at 9:15 a.m. they called me to offer me a JOB! Yep, another offer for the same job I'm already hired for and submitted clearance papers for and they said yesterday they RECEIVED the paperwork. The woman asked me "do you know why this could be happening"? I held my thoughts to myself in case she was recording the conversation. I just said "nope".

Capt., I don't hate Obama; I just dislike his policies. AND I do not wish my country to fail. But it is not up to me. I'm only one person who is trying to co-exist with left wing ding dongs who don' t have any pride in this Country.

Gov. you are so correct. Did you see where the boston boys decided at the last minute to go bomb Times Square but didn't have enough gas in the stolen mercedes to get there - and no money to buy any. Good thing.

And their Russian mommie can't come to their funeral cause she has an outstanding warrant from Lord and Taylor for theft? Gee whiz! Her whole family is so honest and truly the stuff Americans are made of. She is condemning the US and yet she does not mind stealing from Lord and Taylor. She sure has uptown taste for such a low life. Of course Dollar General and Walmart are not good enough for her. And also bomber #1's wife was convicted of shoplifting. Such citizens! We need more like them. Oh yeah, we have several million of them, don't we?

Hey Capt., have a fun filled day. Bless your little ole' pea-picking heart!

By: yogiman on 4/26/13 at 9:03

Darn, we actually agree on something, dumba$$. Yes, Gorbachev was a pretty different leader in Russia than than those before him. It turned out he was in the right place at the right time... as was Reagan. And like all presidents before him, Reagan made mistakes. How many illegal aliens did he give citizenship to... then said he had made a mistake? Too late to admit his error.

But, sorry, that's about the only thing we agree on and I can't see taking time off from what I'm doing to meet someone whom I know I do not agree with and whom I don't know if they will be there or not... like the last agreement.

By: Jughead on 4/26/13 at 9:13

Liberals are responsible for the bombing. Loner and Nimrod personally rimjobbed the bombers.

By: pswindle on 4/26/13 at 9:59

Bud,
You are going to work for the government, a place that you hate! WHY? If they could read your rants on this web-site, I'm sure that they would change their minds. It is like hiring the enemy and letting him work from within. What would you be doing? I'm really concerned about this. Did you tell the truth on your application?

By: yogiman on 4/26/13 at 10:05

Well, pswindle, she couldn't have lied as much her as your buddy Barry did, so why do you question her so feverishly when you never questioned the man that refused to offer any identity as to who he was?

By: bfra on 4/26/13 at 10:35

pswindle - You know the trolls are going to stand up for their fellow trolls!

By: bfra on 4/26/13 at 10:42

pswindle - She has worked for everybody else 1 or 2 days at a time, until they let her go. She might as well try the government, if they even offered her a job. That several times offer doesn't sound too factual.

By: yogiman on 4/26/13 at 12:24

Just wondering, bfra. who do you and your fellow posters on this site work for? I might like to go back to work where I can 'chit-chat' on the internet while I'm "working",

By: bfra on 4/26/13 at 1:07

yogi - Lumphead, don't you digest or remember anything that his posted on this board?

By: bfra on 4/26/13 at 1:23

Change his to is - yogi doesn't have enough smarts to figure out typos!

By: dargent7 on 4/26/13 at 2:06

This is, after all, America. We cannot 'flag" people for being 'suspicious".
Russian spies were de-commissioned 20 years ago.
Now, the Arabs are the 'suspicious" ones'.
Their Shar'ia Law is anti-American and the USA is too dumb to see it.
"Let's build a gigantic mosque at Ground Zero", eg.
Never mind all 19 hijackers were Saudi and Muslim....Americans will welcome us with open arms..." ( ...they are really that dumb...")

By: dargent7 on 4/26/13 at 2:22

George Jones died at 81....I used to go to his house during Christmas to see his lighting display...he always had me arrested.
Loner: Bob Weir, of the Grateful Dead, collapsed at a concert in NY yesterday...only 65.
I'm only 57 and only collapsed once during my 3rd honeymoon...so far.

By: bfra on 4/26/13 at 2:30

d7 - IMO, every muslim in the USA should be deported, any mosque still standing, leveled or turned into something for Americans. I have no time for muslims!

By: dargent7 on 4/26/13 at 3:12

bfra: Watch the Twlight Zone episode on YouTube, "To Serve Man".
This is what I'm talking about....

By: whitegravy on 4/26/13 at 4:07

DONT beleive everything you read on the web.......russia is NOT in the habit of letting the U.S. know about ANYTHING that might harm us.....if anything they covertly seek our downfall.......its just more MEDIA HYPE to sell papers....blah blah blah.......

By: govskeptic on 4/26/13 at 9:02

dargent has his head and senses in the sand if he thinks Russia is without spies,
but their request on this guy wasn't to help us out, but worry as to this fellow and
his heritage and to possibly creating problems in their country. Turns out his
nutty mother was on the FBI watch list as well. They should deny her a visa to
even re-enter the US, but kind heart of Eric Holder will probably send her a ticket,
and food stamp card.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/27/13 at 7:17

I never mention you bud as someone that hated President Obama, so why did you post such a defensive remark in your 9:52 post?

By: yogiman on 4/27/13 at 10:24

Considering your remark about budlight being someone who hated Obama, may I make a point, dumba$$.

To support someone for a political office whom you know, at least, some of their history is one thing, you know who you are supporting and their purpose of being in that office.

But to avidly support someone whom you don't even know their legal name is stupidity spelled in capital letters. And when you have no idea if they are even an American citizen or not, running for the Oval Office, and you still support them avidly, double capitalizes those letters.

So tell me, dumba$$, what do you factually know about the man in office? What qualifications has he offered to confirm his constitutional eligibility?

By: yogiman on 4/27/13 at 10:26

An interesting article I just read about Drano bombs.

www.snopes.com/crime/warnings/bottlebomb.asp/

It seems like some kids are placing them for the fun of it.

By: yogiman on 4/27/13 at 10:45

So this is your man in office; especially you veterans.

//youtu.be/QL1-XU-zHvU/

By: Ask01 on 4/27/13 at 11:31

Looking back, everyone has 20 20 hindsight.

Fans of Nostradamus cite numerous entries in his quatrains they declare foretold various events along the human timeline. The problem is, nobody could interpret the vague meanings in time to make a difference. Say, preventing the rise of Adolf Hitler as an example.

Intelligence analysts try to determine the validity of information, considering the reliability of the source or sources. They seek to corroborate and confirm using other sources independent of each other, and check for any deception. Another consideration is the level of threat compared to other concerns and the time sensitive nature of the information.

Usually, only then will they report their assessment and, if required, suggest taking action based on their findings.

Were their intelligence failures? That possibility is very real. The next question has to be was incompetence or dereliction of duty involved by those responsible for deciding to act or wait and see?

There will be, of course, hearings and investigations to allow congress and others the opportunity to pontificate loud, long, and pointlessly on the subject while sidestepping their own culpability for not adequately funding sufficient intelligence operations to investigate thoroughly those posing a threat.

By: yogiman on 4/27/13 at 12:34

Ask01,

I'm still curious as to how anyone, especially a veteran, could vote for someone to become their currant fellow veterans CIC when they don't even know the guy's legal name who refuses, from the "word go", to identify himself.

I believe all hell is about to break loose in the Alabama Supreme Court.

By: yogiman on 4/27/13 at 12:39

A former Russian who fled communism and came to the US presents some good information on what's going on today.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Iz3VjoHXLA/

By: yogiman on 4/27/13 at 12:44

If it's too wet to go out and play, check into www.youtube.com/user/flywheel091/ and have a great afternoon of gaining facts.

By: Libertine on 4/28/13 at 5:58

With the history of blatant, unrepentant lies of this administration how could we believe anything that it releases or claims?

I can't think of a single issue on which the Obama Administration has been truthful?

By: Ask01 on 4/28/13 at 7:26

Those of us who have been around a while with an interest in history can tell you that every administration has had critics who found nothing good in any action taken by a given administration. (There were even those who questioned the nation's participation in the two world wars, seeing political skullduggery in the motives.)

Regardless the opinions of today, history will be the final arbiter of an administration or a presidents legacy and historical standings.

I recall when President Richard Nixon resigned in disgrace. Yet, prior to his passing away, he became regarded as a respected elder statesman. History has been less kind to others, their human frailties finally becoming public knowledge, sometimes undermining and tarnishing their shining legacy. President John Kennedy was wildly popular. However, if some of the revelations of his various indulgences which came to light later had been known during his presidency, I wonder what his legacy would have been?

To sum up, what we opine is not worth the electricity required to post beyond the chance to respectfully exchange ideas and thoughts.

Future generations will make the final assessment.

By: Ask01 on 4/28/13 at 7:41

Returning to the actual subject, I feel certain future warnings will be taken more seriously. Even now, I suspect those identified as persons of interest are receiving additional scrutiny.

Even those posting on these public boards, believing their identities secure, who have expressed questionable attitudes, are probably being quietly checked out. (I'm not too worried. Having held a Top Secret clearance with special access, I'm fairly the government already has an extensive dossier on me.)

By: Captain Nemo on 4/28/13 at 8:58

Good morning Aks01. I think there will be an increase in scrutiny looking for criminal and terrorist activities and we will be able to go about our daily lives with little or no inconvenient. The eyes of out protectors will be looking into each of us more closely, looking for the ones that will do harm. However no matter how close they watch, all evil has to do is to wait to the right moment to strike when these eyes blink.

The after effect of the Boston bombings is that the fringe right will be crying the sky is falling and pointing toward anything they don’t like. Never once considering that their nearsighted view could be contributing to America trouble.

By: Libertine on 4/28/13 at 9:10

Seriously? The Obama administration lied for weeks about the Benghazi attack, fabricating a lie about a video, and in the face of written evidence he still gets a free pass from the press. Americans apparently are unconcerned about the truth. Just this week the Fisker story broke, but the press omits the fact that Obama's advisers were primary investors in Fisker and all that taxpayer cash will never be found. Obama lied about Solyndra and Fast and Furious saying they were Republican programs, still no one calls him out.

Why would any rational, independently thinking person believe that we would receive the truth on any issue from this administration?

By: yogiman on 4/28/13 at 9:27

It's pretty obvious, Libertine, that Barry doesn't know the difference between telling the truth and lying. He proves it every time he opens his mouth; and those falling in line with him are in the same category.

It's actually easier to tell the truth than it is to lie. You don't have to make notes to remember what you just said.

By: yogiman on 4/28/13 at 9:48

I just read some interesting data from Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law in St. Paul, Minnesota. It makes you wonder.

"Number of States won by: Obama: 19 Romney: 29
Square miles of land won by: Obama: 580,000 Romney: 4,427,000
Populations of counties won by: Obama: 127 million Romney: 143 million
Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Obama: 13.2 Romney: 2.1"

Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate,the map of the territory Romney won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of the country.

Obama territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government implements and living off various forms of government welfare."

And now Obama wants to give voting rights (citizenship) to illegal aliens for more votes.

Should we kiss the USA goodbye?

By: Ask01 on 4/28/13 at 8:59

Good morning and evening also, Captain Nemo.

You are right, of course. Increased scrutiny will be everywhere, but most will be oblivious. The main inconvenience after 9-11 was the increased security at airports as the buffoons at TSA figured just what their mission entailed. From my perspective, they are still fumbling in the dark like a teenager with bra hooks.

The fringe right will, as you point out, continue knee jerk reactions to just about everything and blame everything, even the heartbreak of psoriasis, on President Obama and his administration, while totally ignoring the same type deceptions perpetrated by President Bush and, in fact just, about every just about every president since the beginning.

I bid you a good night, now. I have some cakes in the oven which need watching. Have a wonderful week.

By: Libertine on 5/4/13 at 2:16

As it turns out the older brother entered the country illegally after his six months of terrorist training in Russia. His student visa was expired but he sailed through customs without issue or hassle. Too bad he wasn't carrying some nail clippers so he would have been detained..........