Up for Debate: What now for U.S. government?

Friday, November 9, 2012 at 1:02am

Now that the campaigns are done, what issues must President Barack Obama and Congress tackle over the next four years at least, starting with the most pressing? How might the parties work together, ideally in a different manner than over the last four years?

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By: Ask01 on 11/9/12 at 5:19

Jobs. Sustainable, long term, living wage jobs needs to be the first item on the agenda.

This will mean the party of "NO" has to give on some issues and lean on their corporate America backers to live up to their claims of being 'job creators' and 'risk takers.'

Compromise should be the order of the day, but I somehow doubt many Republicans, if they still harbor their "get Obama" attitudes will be able to comprehend the idea.

Beyond jobs, we need to mend fences with our allies and break off ties with those pretending to be allies. Nations who smile at us while plotting against us need to seek money from other nations and bankrupt them, not us. As a side benefit, they might infuriate the wrong nation and, well use your imagination.

By: Rasputin72 on 11/9/12 at 5:53

This is an easy one. The order of priority by the government is national survival. The expectations of the liberals,the rabble and the naive who voted for Obama may be higherthan he can produce.

By: gdiafante on 11/9/12 at 6:16

In order of importance:

Fiscal cliff (long-term deal with entitlement and tax reform)
Comprehensive jobs bill (that actually deals with structural issues)
Immigration reform
Infrastructure (it's crumbling, it needs to be consistent with the century we live, I consider this a part of national security)
Congratulating the Super Bowl winner.

I think that takes us through Spring...

By: Rasputin72 on 11/9/12 at 6:31

Gdiafante........Politics and bias aside I would be oh so happy if they took your advice. That would complement national survival.

"It ain't gonna happen"

By: Loner on 11/9/12 at 6:52

Good morning, Nashville.

Now that the campaigns are done, what issues must President Barack Obama and Congress tackle over the next four years at least, starting with the most pressing?

Some say that the "fiscal cliff" must be averted...I'm not so sure...10% cuts are not life threatening and the Bush era tax cuts have become a sort of destructive addiction. The "cliff" is the awful-tasting medicine that we need to take, if we are ever to get our national debt under control. The federal politicians do not have the guts to make these cuts and revenue increases, so the only way to enact them is by default.

How might the parties work together, ideally in a different manner than over the last four years?

Forget about it...the Kum-Bah Yah spirit is already evaporating in Congress. Every member of Congress is on the take....and its all legal, folks. The special interests dictate policy...we, the people, are simply bystanders and taxpayers.

By: gdiafante on 11/9/12 at 6:56

You're probably right, Raspy. In order for those to happen, it would require compromise. Even after the election, you can hear both sides settling back into their what the other side needs to do is...

Which, begs the question, what the hell was the electorate thinking? I can understand if they think Obama's plan is better, then why put the same House back in power? And vice versa. I find it hard to believe that people are sick of deadlock if they favor the status quo.

By: gdiafante on 11/9/12 at 7:06

Maybe you should read this, Loner.

http://money.cnn.com/2012/11/08/news/economy/fiscal-cliff/index.html?hpt=hp_inthenews

As I said yesterday, these cuts were intentionally harsh to motivate a deal. They didn't really think they'd be implemented. Much like allowing GM to fail, the shock to the system would be too great to sustain, and we'd be thrown right back into a recession. One step forward and three steps back is no plan.

Or how about this one...

http://www.newser.com/story/157265/cbo-fiscal-cliff-will-bring-91-unemployment.html&c=UINj74jsfBCL4wWsPj4csHwhuzWUv7OkZK53uzO9GHc&mkt=en-us

Yeah, it's all made up, like the moon landing...

By: Captain Nemo on 11/9/12 at 7:10

There is only one big multifaceted obstacle I see and I don’t think the President has much to do with it. Get the Republicans back toward the center. They have moved so far to the right, they are about to take the whole country spinning off into oblivion.

By: gdiafante on 11/9/12 at 7:14

They're not budging, Nemo. From everything I've seen and read, they've pretty much said that it's Obama that has to move. They're such hypocrites...they want Obama to be a strong leader, which is defined as giving them everything they want. If not, he's weak.

Memo to the GOP: that's not how it works. Maybe they should look up the term compromise.

By: Loner on 11/9/12 at 7:24

In the first link that Gd offered, I found this quote:

"If left in place, the fiscal cliff would lead to the biggest single-year drop in the annual deficit as a percent of the economy since 1969."

Isn't that just what the fiscal doctor ordered?

In the second linked article, I found this quote:

"And now comes the tricky part, as the Christian Science Monitor explains: While the CBO warned that doing nothing and plunging over the cliff is bad in the short term, it said those tax increases and spending cuts would help in the long run by reducing the deficit and the national debt."

I say, buckle up, lean forward and pray as we get some air going over the "cliff"......or just yell, "Yeeeeee Haaaawww!!"

If the US goes into austerity mode, it just might improve our credit rating and increase the value of the USD...it might even start a much-needed trend across the globe.

Since Congress is unlikely to make a deal between now and the end of the year, we might as well prepare ourselves for the dip in the road.

By: yogiman on 11/9/12 at 7:25

You mean the GOP should move back to the center but it's OK for the dumbocraps to stay off to the left, eh, dumba$$? To work together they both have to be in the center, not just the GOP.

By: parnell3rd on 11/9/12 at 7:28

Next up for the US gov't. Senate and Congress will once again ignore the will of the people and they will "bail out" all of the bankrupt states in America.
I sure do miss the billion dollar deficits we had under Pres. Bush
Oh, and how easy you liberals forget, there has not been a budget passed in four years including the 2 years demoNcrats had total control.
But, I'm sure in some sick twisted way you will still blame republicans.

By: Loner on 11/9/12 at 7:30

If Romney had won, the GOP controlled House would be in cliff-avoidance mode...as it stands...they want to see Obama get the blame for the shameful inaction of the Super Committee and the Congress in general. The Republicans would take this nation into another recession, rather than work with President Obama...the hate is that deep and intense....the high rollers who backed the GOP candidates are in tantrum mode.

By: parnell3rd on 11/9/12 at 7:30

yea yogi they want repubs to move while demoNcrats stay left.
It just shows how sick their minds are!
yall have a good day! Even though your a liberal who is for abortion and keeping people on welefare, GOD still loves you liberals too.

By: gdiafante on 11/9/12 at 7:31

Nice cherry-picking, Loner. You, and the GOP, can't see the forrest for the trees.

And, by the way, there will be a deal before 12/31...most likely in the form of a "stay of execution" for a few more months to fully try and get something better. That way they can gauge public reaction and it obsolves the lame duck Congress from doing anything against their principles...which would be to actually do something meaningful.

Can we go ahead and call it the worst Congress in history?

By: parnell3rd on 11/9/12 at 7:32

The nation is still in a recession!
Dayum now liberals are going to start blaming Romney because he did not get elected!
I told you yall have a sickness!

By: parnell3rd on 11/9/12 at 7:33

of course they will make a deal. it has been the worst congress since 2006, they keep breaking their own worst record!!!!

By: gdiafante on 11/9/12 at 7:34

Why is the term welfare so hard for you to spell, parnell? Seriously...seven little letters...

By: gdiafante on 11/9/12 at 7:35

Wer'e not in a recession, we've been out of it for a while. While you're looking up how to spell welfare I suggest you do some reading on what constitutes a recession as well.

It will do your mind (whatever is left of it) good.

By: gdiafante on 11/9/12 at 7:37

yea yogi they want repubs to move while demoNcrats stay left.

You obviously didn't read my earlier post, which suggests...no, it actually says, that the deal should be a compromise, entitlement AND tax reform. How is that staying left?

By: Captain Nemo on 11/9/12 at 7:38

By: yogiman on 11/9/12 at 7:25
You mean the GOP should move back to the center but it's OK for the dumbocraps to stay off to the left, eh, dumba$$? To work together they both have to be in the center, not just the GOP.

The GOP has to be on the same page as the country, yogi. That means it has to move toward the center.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/9/12 at 7:42

Itty-Bitty p3 it is the fringe right that blames Romney for not being Conservative enough.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 11/9/12 at 7:43

The GOP needs to get out of a state of denial. Here's what happened this election:
- Obama was re-elected and won the popular vote by 2.7 million votes
- Two more states legalized gay marriage
- Two states legalized marijuana
- Akin and Murdock did not get elected.

The people have spoken. They do not like the policies of the hard right. If the GOP wants to survive, they need to move more toward the center and accommodate the sane GOP members and the independents who are centrists. Libertarians would be more likely to vote R than D but the GOP's appalling stance on social issues drove them away.

By: Loner on 11/9/12 at 7:45

Gd asks, "Can we go ahead and call it the worst Congress in history?"

Yes, if that's your pleasure...but I would choose the 36th Congress, March 1859 -March 1861, as the worst Congress ever...their intransigence and bickering resulted in a civil war that killed 618, 000 of America's best and brightest; it's pretty tough to top that "accomplishment."...but they are working on it.

By: gdiafante on 11/9/12 at 7:46

Six in 10 voters said that taxes should be increased, including nearly half of voters saying that taxes should be increased on income over $250,000, as Obama has called for. Just over one-third said taxes should not be increased for anyone.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/exit-poll-6-in-10-voters-in-presidential-election-call-economy-biggest-issue-facing-country/2012/11/06/d1c771b0-286f-11e2-aaa5-ac786110c486_story.html

For Republicans, 6 in 10 is 60%. I know you guys have an arithmetic problem...

By: Captain Nemo on 11/9/12 at 7:47

By: gdiafante on 11/9/12 at 7:34
Why is the term welfare so hard for you to spell, parnell? Seriously...seven little letters...

Good it because that he spends all of his welefare (sic) money on booze and drugs.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 11/9/12 at 7:52

We need to end the payroll tax cuts. I never thought they made sense to begin with.

By: Loner on 11/9/12 at 7:54

Well said, Blanketnazi...your 7:43 post sums it up nicely...but why do we offer advice to the Grand Old Party?

Let them choose Santorum as their next POTUS candidate...or Rev. Huckabee...maybe they will choose Col. West, their token black war-monger and Jew-wannabe, as their 2016 POTUS candidate, in a cynical effort to win the "black vote".

Let the Republican Party sink into its own filth...don't offer them a lifeline. Let them continue to listen to the voices of hate and division....it marginalizes them and when that happens, they lose the middle - the deciding voters.

By: Kosh III on 11/9/12 at 7:56

Eliminating the Bushcovite tax cuts for the rich will NOT hurt the economy

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/09/us-usa-fiscal-cbo-idUSBRE8A71D020121109

Of course the Fascist party people like Raspy will call this a biased source......

By: Captain Nemo on 11/9/12 at 7:58

shb Could not good. My first yogi.

By: gdiafante on 11/9/12 at 7:59

We should decriminalize marijuana (I had Loner at We...) and tax the hell out of it. We should revamp the tax code, eliminating loop holes that make no sense and (at least temporarily) revert back to the Clinton rates.

We should reform entitlements from top to bottom. Not eliminate, but make more efficient.

I know,efficient government is an oxymoron, but clearly the electorate indicated that they think government has a role to play.

Oh, and as a side, can we fix Florida's voting cluster**** once and for all? This is the 21st century...

By: Blanketnazi2 on 11/9/12 at 8:00

Loner, I predict that they will not evolve and will become more irrelevant then fade away. They can't manage to learn from their missteps.

Here would be my wish list:
- Let the Bush tax cuts expire
- Let the payroll tax cuts expire
- Take a hard look at foreign aid spending and reduce it
- Stop funding old cold war military bases

Foreign aid and the military are the top two things on our budget. No - it's not the so-called "entitlement" programs. We need to continue to fund education, healthcare, veteran's benefits, etc.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 11/9/12 at 8:01

Yes, g - I agree with your recommendations as well. Entitlements need to be reformed, not eliminated. And fix the tax loopholes already!

Also create more incentive for companies to keep jobs in the U.S.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/9/12 at 8:02

Everything is bias to the common pigeon, Kosh.

By: gdiafante on 11/9/12 at 8:02

I wouldn't disagree with those, blanket. But I do think entitlements need to be tweaked too.

By: Rasputin72 on 11/9/12 at 8:03

Gdiafante.......We have to remember that although the electoral vote was a rout, the popular vote was very very close. This to me means that there are just as many people who are conservative in nature as liberal and socialistic in nature.

This I think is the reason our house and senate are deadlocked in will.

I really do not see the Obama re-election as being a mandate for compromise. I think the slight difference that brought Obama back to office was the disgust of most Americans for Wall Street and the 1% or as I put it so often class warfare.

In order for there to be compromise both parties have to agree to give up some ground. What I do not understand is why these parties are not looking for places to give and take rather than "I will not budge."

Surely there are issues that the Republicans would be willing to give up. Surely there are issues that the Democrats would be willing to yield.

I would not vote for Obama if he were running for Mosquito Control but he has been far more willing to compromise than the House. (who by the way control the money)

By: gdiafante on 11/9/12 at 8:04

Didn't see your 8:01 post, sorry to repeat.

Wow, look at us...proposing entitlement reform...we are so Socialist...lol

By: Captain Nemo on 11/9/12 at 8:04

But what would Rasputin do?

By: Kosh III on 11/9/12 at 8:05

We should

1. Charge sales tax on all transactions including stock sales.
If Rapsy buys stock in IBM: sales tax. When he sells it: sales tax and on and on. This would be along with abolishing the capital gains tax and reforming and simplifying the IRS.
We pay sales tax on other things, it should be assessed on ALL sales of merchandise and services such as stocks, bonds, legal expenses, accounting services etc.

2. Abolish our Empire. Let Japan, S Korea, Europe and the rest of the world defend themselves. This would result in a major drop in expenditures AND loss of life. Not Isolationism but Non-interference. What did Pres Washington say?
Let the UN be the world cop and give the UN the authority to do so.

3. Fix the infrastructure.

4. Massive push to Green/renewable energy sources and a massive development of fusion energy. Also conservation.

5. A National ID for all citizens which would solve the problem of Rapsy's illegal alien maids and butlers as well as voter ID problems and more....

6 Metrification

By: govskeptic on 11/9/12 at 8:05

Number one for this Union President is to handle promises made to this campaigning
work force of three to four hundred thousands members. Card check and easy registrations for new members along with getting around the laws of states with
right to work laws overturned may come before anything else, but if not, very close to first.

ObamaCare will help with the membership growth by adding thousands of
health care workers to the Union roles, along with circumventing any counter
state laws.

Jobs? Lots of promises made there as well, and will surely go mainly to the
7 states assisting the Electoral College count, which was admittedly impressive.
Donating and supporting business and selected governments will get 90% of
any that might be government created. Got to get it all done in the next 2 yrs.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 11/9/12 at 8:08

Cipla Cuts Prices of Cancer Drugs!

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323894704578106421952773356.html?mod=WSJINDIA_hpp_LEFTTopStories

By: Kosh III on 11/9/12 at 8:09

PS
And abolish Obamacare, VA Health care, Medicaid and the health plan for Congress plus any others.

Put all citizens into Enhanced Medicare; the plan that the AMA has been pushing for several years. A single medical plan for all would be more efficient and cost less.
Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Israel, the UK, and other advanced countries have done it for years. Some, such as NZ for almost a century.

By: Rasputin72 on 11/9/12 at 8:09

NEMO, I would do what I have done all my life. I would do whatever is required to survive and prosper. If that meant compromise then with tears in my eyes as big as horseturds I would compromise.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 11/9/12 at 8:11

Kosh, I like your recommendations as well.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 11/9/12 at 8:12

Kosh, explain more about Enhanced Medicare. Is it like single payor? Or does it abolish private insurance?

By: Captain Nemo on 11/9/12 at 8:12

Old Rasputin aka common pigeon keeps calling others that disagrees with him the lower class, yet the buffoon keeps telling us that Obama started the class war.

By: Loner on 11/9/12 at 8:12

The nation is moving to the left on the social issues....human rights trumping states rights.....but in the Volunteer state, states rights are still supreme....any city in the state of TN that would like to expand on the minimum human rights, as guaranteed and delineated in the federal civil rights laws, faces obstruction at the state level, as we have seen in Metro Nashville recently.

The notion of state sovereignty is still deeply ingrained in the Southern mindset....the Civil War never rooted the dangerous idea out....sadly, the concept is all too often invoked to limit human rights, instead of being invoked to expand human rights.

Legalizing same-sex marriage, advancing women's rights, advancing Cannabis smokers' rights, and protecting the environment are all areas in which states rights are both legitimate and sensible.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/9/12 at 8:19

So you will just continue to keep lying cheating and stealing. Nothing knew hay old boy.

By: Kosh III on 11/9/12 at 8:20

In essence, it works like it does now, but has a simpler and improved drug plan and no donut hole and no limits.
I quickly looked for online info but didn't find any sorry.

A big cheese MD at Vandy has been a long time advocate: Frank somebody...

sorry I can't tell more right now. Lots happening at the moment

By: Blanketnazi2 on 11/9/12 at 8:21

That's ok. That's enough information for me to find it. Thanks!