Up for Debate: What now for U.S. government?

Friday, November 9, 2012 at 12:02am

Now that the campaigns are done, what issues must President Barack Obama and Congress tackle over the next four years at least, starting with the most pressing? How might the parties work together, ideally in a different manner than over the last four years?

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211 Comments on this post:

By: Loner on 11/9/12 at 9:28

Kosh, you had me until you hit the last item on your 6-point plan: 6 Metrification

That would mean the end of American football. It's a game of inches...and yardage....I strongly object to "metrification"....it is un-American by nature...(un-English too).

BTW, which is bigger, a 19/32 inch or a 5/8 inch box wrench?

Here's a great page that should be downloaded and printed out for every shop:

http://www.vaughns-1-pagers.com/science/wrench-conversion.htm

By: Captain Nemo on 11/9/12 at 9:35

Changing the subject’ Please don’t you leave until you see me pretty boy got arrested. http://www.wkrn.com/story/20045817/carnival-kia-chris-bostick-arrest

By: Loner on 11/9/12 at 9:36

Metrification? I do not know my height, weight, inseam, waist, sleeve length, hat or shoe size in the metric system...do any of us here know their personal metric stats? Just curious.

By: Loner on 11/9/12 at 9:38

Ronald Reagan resisted national metrication...another dubious legacy of the Gipper?

Or did RR save American football?

By: slacker on 11/9/12 at 9:41

Metrication & Digital Dewey Decimal will dazzle the dumbarses into submission Loner.
It was Lenin last words.

By: slacker on 11/9/12 at 9:44

American football was saved by ''Crazy legs Hirsch'' and OJ (the knife) Simpson.

By: bfra on 11/9/12 at 9:53

slacker - I thought it was Joe Namath!

By: BigPapa on 11/9/12 at 9:56

The GOP needs to get out of a state of denial. Here's what happened this election:
- Obama was re-elected and won the popular vote by 2.7 million votes
- Two more states legalized gay marriage
- Two states legalized marijuana
- Akin and Murdock did not get elected.

The people have spoken. They do not like the policies of the hard right. If the GOP wants to survive, they need to move more toward the center and accommodate the sane GOP members and the independents who are centrists. Libertarians would be more likely to vote R than D but the GOP's appalling stance on social issues drove them away.

This^

By: Loner on 11/9/12 at 9:57

As long as we are being asked by our NCP host to expound upon our political fantasies, let me indulge my own, if I might.

My fantasy is this....the president invites small parties of Congressional members to Camp David....eventually getting all the Reps and Sens to attend his "campfire councils"....no staffers allowed...no cameras...no microphones...no communication devices.....each member of Congress would get a special djembe drum, as a personal gift from the president himself....made specifically for this purpose in Africa.

Each night of the 3-day retreats would feature a blazing campfire and a drum circle...the president leading the others in a simple, yet effective rhythmic communion....no talking...just drumming.

Of course, adding dancers...chosen from the common folk, not professional dancers, would be nice too...and some citizen members of these drum circles would be good too.

It would be a BYOE sort of deal...share what you bring....booze, Cannabis, Snapple, Kool-aid, food, gifts...whatever....wide open.

Sure, this is one crazy fantasy...but I truly believe that if these lawmakers would get together in a setting devoid of suits, staff, cameras, mics, cell-phones, PC's, and associated BS...and if they all got back to our human commonality...our human roots...we might see compromise and progress.

By: slacker on 11/9/12 at 9:58

no..no bfra, Namath saved the fur coat look on the sidelines.

By: BigPapa on 11/9/12 at 9:59

I should add that a Rep would be wise to at the VERY least seed the point on those social issues that those issue should be dealt with at the STATE level.

THAT would be a very very Republican stance AND allow you to keep from looking like someone stuck in 1965.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 11/9/12 at 10:01

I agree with that BigPapa. I'm actually more of a centrist and for checks & balances purposes whe need at least two strong political parties. The GOP shouldn't abandon the moderate conservatives in favor of the fringe and neither should the Dems for that matter (although the far-left fringe of the Dems have never really had much power).

By: bfra on 11/9/12 at 10:02

slacker - I forgot about that one! LOL He also made the pantyhose popular.

By: slacker on 11/9/12 at 10:06

Loner, if Obama invited them to Camp David under those conditions, they would think he intended to put them in a large pot and cook em'..

By: Captain Nemo on 11/9/12 at 10:07

Thank you BigPapa I know there is more to it than this, but you have cover most of it.

By: gdiafante on 11/9/12 at 10:08

The issue with letting the state deal with social issues is, that it will ultimately end up with the USSC and a federal action. States that don't like the result...for instance, if a Red state narrowly passes gay marriage, they'll take it to court. That's where this and marijuana is ultimately going to end up and we all know it.

So, is that a problem with the system or the ones who lose and then want the Feds to intervene?

By: BigPapa on 11/9/12 at 10:10

Allowing the states to actually govern themselves provide a) political cover b) a chance to actually live out the Pros & Cons of whatever policy you are debating. c) it gives citizens the chance and choices to govern themselves and live under laws they see as just.

Look how long it took TN to just get the Lottery. I doubt we will legalize weed. But if KY does it, then Alabama, then Miss, then Ga... eventually you have to just to keep up with revenue.

By: gdiafante on 11/9/12 at 10:11

If Obama invited just Boehner to Camp David, it would go like this...

Obama: Welcome...um...to Camp David...
Boehner: (weeping)
Obama: Um...ok, well, look John, we need to...um...get to work...so...
Boehner: (weeping)
Obama: Do you mind if I open the curtains, there's...um...this weird orange glow going on that's really weird...
Bohner: (weeping)

By: Captain Nemo on 11/9/12 at 10:12

Loner dreams of Brushwood. lol

By: Blanketnazi2 on 11/9/12 at 10:13

LOL, g!!!!

By: Captain Nemo on 11/9/12 at 10:14

LOL gdia

By: Loner on 11/9/12 at 10:16

Beat the drum, pass the peace pipe, dance and share the fire....is that just the wild machinations of an old hippie? Of course.

Maybe the president should host nationally televised mud-wrestling contests between the feuding Congresspersons? Now THAT would get viewership.....gender-neutral fights, of course....imagine Nancy Pelosi mud-wrestling John Boehner, for example. I'd cough up a C-note for the National Treasury, if that could be arranged...the National Debt could disappear, if people paid a "user fee", to view such things.

By: slacker on 11/9/12 at 10:16

If the president & congress are smart, they'll concentrate on jobs, and stabilizing the economy in the first new session. Who can marry who, can be debated later.

By: Kosh III on 11/9/12 at 10:24

Loner

That used to be common. Back when they went to Washington and stayed all session they would form close relationships across the aisles.
Ted Kennedy and Orrin Hatch were very close friends, Hatch used to vacation every summer at Hyannisport. Ford+Carter.
At one time there used to be a Tennessee Caucus, both Senators and all the Reps would meet regularly and discuss legislation which would benefit ALL the state.

Now they jet to DC for a 3 day session, they fly back home on Friday until the next Tuesday and they don't know one another.
Must be nice to have a 3 day work week and have incomes that average 850,000 annually---or more.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 11/9/12 at 10:25

I hope they don't just kick the can down the road, AGAIN.

By: BigPapa on 11/9/12 at 10:26

If it does go that route then so be it. The thing is it makes people talk, it makes people think, and puts the issue out there. It forces people to have the debate, and if the election said anything its that people in the US are pretty open to the idea of a society that values individual liberties.

Weed will get legalized or (decriminalized) not due to the merits of the drug or it's comparison to alcohol. It will come down to money. When people see the amount of dollars spent on the "war" on drugs and see how it could be better used, eventually you get a collective shoulder shrug at the idea of someone toking up legally

Gay marriage is not going away. Best to get ahead of the issue and not get bogged down in that tar baby of a fight.

By: bfra on 11/9/12 at 10:26

TN is so far behind & ruled by the liquor lobby that we can't even buy wine in grocery stores. That is backwoods!

By: Loner on 11/9/12 at 10:28

GD, I got a good laugh out of your comment posted at 9:11.

Let me continue with the scenario and dialogue:

Boehner: Bwaaah....don't put me in a pot and cook me up, African home-style, Mishter Preshident...(hiccups...)

Obama: Not to worry Johnny, me boy, I'm half white meat too.

Boehner: Hahahaha...that's a good one, shir....is there a John here, I gotta go.

Obama: It's right next to the Tiki-Torch Wet-Bar over there....(points to well-stocked bar)

Boehner: I love you, man...really...I love you man....Bwaaaahhh.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 11/9/12 at 10:30

Very good point, BigPapa. We need people to be more educated on the real issues and to have dialog.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/9/12 at 10:31

LOL Loner, I hope this story line will continue.

By: Adman on 11/9/12 at 10:35

I know this a cynical outlook, but I think many people will be disappointed because they are going to find out what government can't do. FEMA can't fix New York and New Jersey. A week and a half - 2 weeks after the storm are the people in Staten Island any better off then the people of New Orleans were in the same time after Katrina? Has a Democrat administration really made any difference? Probably not. Will a massive jobs bill solve the unemployment problem? Not likely. The conventional wisdom seems to be that govt can and will fix everything that is wrong with America. I really think many will be disappointed when that doesn't happen.

By: Loner on 11/9/12 at 10:38

OK...we have some voices of reason in Tennessee...and they are right here on this NCP comment board....so, which one of you is going to pursue the Democratic nod, to contest these uncontested federal and state contests?

I'll volunteer as your aide....it is time to take back Crockett Country...I'd like to volunteer, for the Volunteer state....and with the internet....I do not have to move anywhere, in order to help.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 11/9/12 at 10:38

Adman, I get the feeling you would have posted differently had Romney won.

By: slacker on 11/9/12 at 10:41

They can reform the tax code, reform healthcare in a bipartisan manner, reform entitlements, stop using FEMA money to rebuild in likely flood zones.
But you're right, that not gonna happen.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/9/12 at 10:44

BigPapa has a point that seems to evade people like Rasputin, budlight and yogi. These extremist are crying about the change that is coming. How their all white world is changing and that doom and gloom is sweeping across the land. They are dead set in keeping it has always been.

Instead of accepting it they had rather make matters worst and let their descendants reap a world they made worse.

By: slacker on 11/9/12 at 10:47

Nemo, a lot of them are worrying about the debt their descendants will inherit.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/9/12 at 10:50

Adman the disaster storms are getting bigger and more frequent. There were two storms to hit the area, yet you fail to mention this fact. Let me ask you were would the people be if not for FEMA?

I get so tired of people coming on this board and not look at all sides of the situation.

By: gdiafante on 11/9/12 at 10:53

Honestly, and not to get all sappy, but the dialogue we're having here, right now, is really why there is hope for our country. Just like the election results, most rational people do understand the issues and that cooperation, not division, is the answer.

Instead of focusing on our differences, we embrace what we all have in common, which is a desire for the country to prosper, be it socially, economically or politically.

The message is that it's ok to have different ideas. That should be welcomed. We shouldn't be worried about ego or bragging rights. If something works, it should be used. Every idea should be on the table.

If only Congress could share our spirit...

By: Blanketnazi2 on 11/9/12 at 10:54

Think how much better shape New Orleans would have been in if our infrastructure wasn't so outdated. Engineers had been talking about the levees for years prior to Katrina.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 11/9/12 at 10:55

Indeed, g! After all, we are all Americans.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/9/12 at 10:55

In likely disaster prone areas is a good point there, slacker. But what was not in a disaster area before is now one today.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/9/12 at 10:57

Who made that debt, slacker? We went to wars and cut taxes during that time. Now it is time to pay and all they want to do is make it harder to get along.

By: Loner on 11/9/12 at 10:58

Adman wrote, " Has a Democrat administration really made any difference?"

Notice Adman's choice of words; specifically his use of the term, "Democrat administration". Whenever someone uses the term "Democrat administration", instead of the term, "Democratic administration", it's a tip-off that the writer or speaker is a regular fan of Rush Limbaugh, FOX News, right-wing blogs and right-wing internet sites.

These are the same people who insist that the USA is NOT a democracy, but a "constitutional republic".

What's up with that?

It's simple, if the right wing can denigrate and besmirch the words, "democrat", "democratic" and "democracy", then some gullible voters will associate the taint with Democrats, and the Democratic Party. It's a sort of character assassination on a word group.

By using the terms, "republic" and "constitutional republic", in reference to the fundamental nature of USA, the Republicans hope to improve their brand, by positive association.

Adman is a Republican? He claims to be a Libertarian...but so far, his language is very Republican-sounding.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/9/12 at 11:02

Agree gdia, but it will never happen as long as we have trolls like Rasp, yogi, bud and the itty bitty p3.

The Republicans has got to stand up for their Principles once more and the Democrats has got to get their backbone back.

By: slacker on 11/9/12 at 11:07

gdiafante, I faxed your post to Bohener..he's crying hysterically, they had to bring out the valium.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/9/12 at 11:08

That is a good observation, Loner. I was in hopes that Adman might be someone that had a legitimate opinion, but the Rush quotes seem to say different.

By: slacker on 11/9/12 at 11:12

On Feb. 2nd., if Bohener's complexion is burnt orange, we'll have 6 more weeks of winter.

By: gdiafante on 11/9/12 at 11:13

I went back and looked into those corporations that endoresed Boehner...

Kleenex
Visine
Roche Pharmaceutical
Tanning Beds of America

By: Loner on 11/9/12 at 11:14

Amen, brother Gdiafante....that's not "sappy" at all....that's an expression of hope.

And as they know in WA and CO, there's "no hope without dope", as the old adage goes.

No more holy war, no more drug war, no more war on the GLBT community, no more war on Roe versus Wade......may cooler heads prevail.

Let me coin a new slogan:

Have Drugs Lied? Let The States Decide

By: slacker on 11/9/12 at 11:16

Also the: Tingley Rubber Company.