Up for Debate: What now for U.S. government?

Friday, November 9, 2012 at 1:02am

Now that the campaigns are done, what issues must President Barack Obama and Congress tackle over the next four years at least, starting with the most pressing? How might the parties work together, ideally in a different manner than over the last four years?

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211 Comments on this post:

By: Adman on 11/9/12 at 3:28

B2 you are ignoring the point that if you die without ever drawing on ss it is gone.

this has gotten us off track anyway. My point was that yes the house republicans block anything concerning taxes but the senate democrats have declared anything doing with entitlements equally off limits. The regardless of how either you aor I want to spin it the gridlock is not a oneway street.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 11/9/12 at 3:37

Yes, Adman. I realize that. Once again, I'm not paying into a "personal" SSI account. What I'm paying now goes out to those drawing it. I want to live in a society where the elderly are not kicked out to live on the streets. I'm fine with it.

The point IS - the democrats disagreed (rightly so) about how the privitization would work and what the implications would be. The costs of the administration of the accounts would have to be borrowed and the earnings would be at the mercy of the stock market instead of being in a more secure fund such as bonds. It's not that they don't want to work with the republicans, it's that what the republicans were presenting didn't make sense when you looked at the details.

By: bfra on 11/9/12 at 4:11

bud - Your comments coming from a woman that has blasted her sordid past on here too many times, can't hold a job, has no children & always threatening to sue everybody, again.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 11/9/12 at 4:14

And she thinks we're high, bfra! LOL

By: budlight on 11/9/12 at 4:26

Both of you are idiots. I don't claim that my past is lilly white like you 2 do. I have a job and have had the same job for 18 years, plus other part time jobs along with it. (as my tax return shows) Or else why would I get such a nice chunk of social security change every month? Jealous? I hope it does run out by the time you are eligible. That would be poetic justice. You are both mean spirited witches.

My past is not sordid. It is merely not boring, like yours are. I have no children and that's a shame because at least I would be a "parent" and not a "best friend". That's for those women who can't get friends, so they have them instead. Juvie is full of those "friends" aka children who's parents don't know how to parent. Like ya'll.

Your comments blanket (aka BLANK) and bfra do not hurt anyone but yourselves.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 11/9/12 at 4:32

Such christian love....

By: Adman on 11/9/12 at 5:00

B2, without realizing you are making my point. If the repub's in the house block something it is because they are mean spirited, or they hate Obama and want him to fail, or they are racist and don't want him to get credit for anything and on and on and on. But when the house sends anything to the senate, a budget or legislation harry reid and dem senators declare it DOA. But only because it was a bad idea, they are all saints and only have the good of the country at heart. This whole thing has to be a 2 way street.

By: bfra on 11/9/12 at 5:04

Probably sits on the front pew every time the doors open! No I have never shacked up with a guy & when he died tried to get money from his family. That same job for 18 yrs. must be "looking for work", according to what she has posted over & over.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/9/12 at 5:11

The troll monkey who is always looking for work and then loses any work that she does find, has been working at the same job for 18 yrs. Riiiiightttt. Wink,wink

It is a good thing bud has know children, because she would leave them at a kennel to be trained.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/9/12 at 5:12

shb no children

By: budlight on 11/9/12 at 5:32

lol lol lol lol

By: Captain Nemo on 11/9/12 at 5:56

(witch)

By: parnell3rd on 11/9/12 at 8:22

Oh were oh were are you tonight? Why did you leave us here all alone? Pres Obama you prominsed to cut thrugh the red tape for hurricane Sandy. You won re-election and now your gone, on vacation again, this time to Asia.
More broken promises from our Commander in cheif! He shut down FEMA, stoping aide to storm victims. Now New Yorkers know how Texan's feel!

By: budlight on 11/10/12 at 5:59

Yep, first things first. The little boy has to rest cuz he's so tired from f******* over america.
Yeah, NY voted him in and NJ, so they deserve each other and him.

Asia - vacation. WE all knew it. He's out to destroy America. Petreaus - shouldn't he lose his rank and be court martialed? Isn't it illegal to have an affair in the military? Or is that just for republicans?

By: Ask01 on 11/10/12 at 6:10

From my viewpoint, the Republicans and corporate America are in a lose-lose situation.

The two bunk mates have painted themselves into a corner. The impression of them as birds of a feather elitist, labor exploiting, greedy money grubbers is firmly cemented in the psyche of many Americans.

If Republicans continue to block President Obama's proposals, they will be cast as the villians in the next election, and probably lose more seats. If they do compromise, the credit for improving the economy will, naturally go to the president.

As far as their corporate America masters, if they go through with their threats to cut jobs, they will further enrage an already angry electorate. If they finally live up to the false image they have cast for themselves as 'risk taking job creators,' again, the credit will go to the president and the Democrats.

These two groups and their supporters should examine the missed opportunities to generate goodwill and publicly embarrass the Democrats and President Obama over the last four years. They could have done much to help the embattled middle class and secured their support, but chose to instead slash their jobs, attack their benefits, and insult their job search efforts.

The bed has beed made, soiled as it is, and the Republicans with corporate America must now lay in their own filth.

They can come back, but this will not be an easy journey. I predict dark times ahead for the two.

By: Rasputin72 on 11/10/12 at 6:22

The French had an inglorious revolution. The rabble executed everyone in sight including their King and Queen. The rabble could not determine exactly why they had no bread so they even executed some of their own because they offered solutions that did not fit the thought process of the rabble. They executed ghosts and suspected opposition. Brains at work,I might add.

Thirty years later France once again had an upper class and still does to this day. It seems that money being so powerful it always attracts those that are the brightest and the boldest. France of course now has another rabble known as .................

If the United States were to take all of the wealth in this country and divide it up equally among every legal citizen within three generations we would once again have an uppper class. Chances are the genetics of the people from whom the wealth was taken would once again be the major recipients of the regained wealth.

By: Rasputin72 on 11/10/12 at 6:23

The French had an inglorious revolution. The rabble executed everyone in sight including their King and Queen. The rabble could not determine exactly why they had no bread so they even executed some of their own because they offered solutions that did not fit the thought process of the rabble. They executed ghosts and suspected opposition. Brains at work,I might add.

Thirty years later France once again had an upper class and still does to this day. It seems that money being so powerful it always attracts those that are the brightest and the boldest. France of course now has another rabble known as .................

If the United States were to take all of the wealth in this country and divide it up equally among every legal citizen within three generations we would once again have an uppper class. Chances are the genetics of the people from whom the wealth was taken would once again be the major recipients of the regained wealth.

By: Rasputin72 on 11/10/12 at 6:23

The French had an inglorious revolution. The rabble executed everyone in sight including their King and Queen. The rabble could not determine exactly why they had no bread so they even executed some of their own because they offered solutions that did not fit the thought process of the rabble. They executed ghosts and suspected opposition. Brains at work,I might add.

Thirty years later France once again had an upper class and still does to this day. It seems that money being so powerful it always attracts those that are the brightest and the boldest. France of course now has another rabble known as .................

If the United States were to take all of the wealth in this country and divide it up equally among every legal citizen within three generations we would once again have an uppper class. Chances are the genetics of the people from whom the wealth was taken would once again be the major recipients of the regained wealth.

By: yogiman on 11/10/12 at 6:24

Sorry, dumba$$,

Your Good for Could isn't just an occasional error, it's just your latest error.

By: parnell3rd on 11/10/12 at 6:37

Wow you demoNcrats sure do like to celebrate when one of your own has an affair! Ipeckable timing, now the General does not have to ask those pesky questions about Lybia! Wat to fall on the sword for the President!!!

By: Captain Nemo on 11/10/12 at 6:39

(click)

By: parnell3rd on 11/10/12 at 6:40

Right budlight only republican general's are court martialled!

By: Captain Nemo on 11/10/12 at 6:43

Rasputin is having trouble with his thumbs again.

By: parnell3rd on 11/10/12 at 6:48

And if your a radical mooslim major you can murder 14 people, only be charged with 13 murders, allowed to grow your beard, and come to trial after 3 years under Pres. Obama.
That's right he murdered 14 people. But since one of the Victims was Pregnant he was not charged with murder. DemoNcrats considered that an abortion. Yall are sick people!

By: yogiman on 11/10/12 at 6:59

Until the Senate got the 17th Amendment passed (in their favor), BigPapa, the states did control themselves when their legislatures selected their Senators. They were not select on a term basis so if they voted against they could be brought home and sent on back to the farm.

When the Senate went to popular vote they quit working for the state and began making a career out of it.

By: Rasputin72 on 11/10/12 at 6:59

NEMO, I would have to agree with you on that statement.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/10/12 at 7:09

We can't fool p3. He spotted the trick to take the heat off Obama. Petraeus had an affair with another woman just to resign. Can fool you itty bitty.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/10/12 at 7:15

Petraeus is Republican and I don't think an affair is a court martial offence. But you troll know it all.

By: Kosh III on 11/10/12 at 7:33

"using the term, "Republic Party", to refer to the Republican Party...."

The more appropriate term would be Fascist Party.

By: yogiman on 11/10/12 at 7:51

Adman,

In regard to your climate change post. The 'weather' is different every day. If you have noticed over the last several years, the "climate" has changed by the calendar, not by the weather.

By: Rasputin72 on 11/10/12 at 7:55

KOSH III........In addition to calling the Republicans "fascists" I would also add wealthy and successful as adjectives.

Republicans do some good for people that are part of the 47% and maybe even yourself KOSH lll they do not take very much unemployment and welfare and food stamps. This leaves people who do not like fascists with a larger share of the welfare supply.

I would bet that the "fascists" Republicans are the biggest contributors to the taxation that provides the lifestyle of the 47%.. It just goes to show you KOSH lll that every living creature contributes something. (Except the 47%)

Damn those "fascist" Republicans. This country does not need those people. KOSH III and his friends will just divy up a little more to make up for the "fascist" departure.

By: bfra on 11/10/12 at 7:57

It really hacks these peon repubs that a 1/2 black man is in the White House. That he is smarter, more refined, better spoken, better educated & more ethical, than them or anyone they have to offer to represent them. Obama has so many attributes than the peon repubs, it would take too long to list them

And I see bud is on here with her Church mouth (lol) this AM..

By: bfra on 11/10/12 at 8:17

Repubs are acting like little spoiled brats, if I don't get my way, I am not going to play. Wake up idiots, you are cutting off your nose to spite your face. Show you have some class & character & work with our President to help us be in a better place. After all he unlike Romney, didn't make any threats to get elected.

By: yogiman on 11/10/12 at 8:41

No, budlight,

A court martial for the general "playing" around isn't justified. The general can resign immediately if he wants to take the pressure off.

Remember Col. Allen West resigning when they threatened to court martial him for making his enemies give him information?

By: Captain Nemo on 11/10/12 at 9:17

Having an affair with another woman is not a Court Martial offence, unless you are telling her government secrets.

By: bfra on 11/10/12 at 9:36

Nemo - The point was it put him in a comprising situation & possibly open for blackmail.

By: bfra on 11/10/12 at 9:46

s/h/b comprimising! Plus, that is not a good position for head of the CIA to be in.

By: Ask01 on 11/10/12 at 10:51

Captain Nemo, I must respectfully point out the incident involving Former 1st Lt Kelly Flinn, USAF, who would have been courtmartialed for having an affair with a married airman,

She resigned, as I recall, rather than face the trial. Her contention was male military members habitually commit similar acts while deployed, and she was being singled out as a female. Her tryst, however, was conducted at her home station, with another military member, whose wife discovered her husbands infidelity.

The military, while adultery is an offense under the UCMJ, was also using fraternization, as the affair was with an enlisted man; lying, since she had told her commanding officer the affair was over; conduct unbecoming, because of her high profile position as the first female B-52 pilot, possibly having to carry and deploy nuclear weapons; and as civilian authorities are wont to do, a slew of other charges just to break the spirit of the accused.

The military will indeed prosecute adultery, usually of course, based on my observation, only if someone causes an uproar within the closed military community, and especially if the scandal spreads beyond post or base boundaries.

Petraeus, as a retired miltary member receiving a pension is still subject to the UCMJ, (Uniform Code of Military Justice for those who don't know,) however, it is rare for action to be taken against a retired person as civilian authorities usually handle the matter. Cases involving treason, espionage, and othe uniquely military concerns would probably draw attention, or if someone was incarcerated for an offense such as muder, manslaughter, grand theft, etcetera, at which point the aim would be to halt, at least for the period of incarceration, retiree benefits.

I would point out, as I understand the story, he resigned ahead of a certain firestorm, rather than endure treatment to which others in his position have been subjected.

By: budlight on 11/10/12 at 10:59

parnell3rd on 11/10/12 at 6:48
And if your a radical mooslim major you can murder 14 people, only be charged with 13 murders, allowed to grow your beard, and come to trial after 3 years under Pres. Obama.
That's right he murdered 14 people. But since one of the Victims was Pregnant he was not charged with murder. DemoNcrats considered that an abortion. Yall are sick people!

Yeah, Parnell you are correct. I bet the American who killed those people in Afghanistan will be tried, convicted and shot before that so-call doctor in
Fort Hood will even be 1/2 through his mock trial. I'm sure Obama will want him to serve in the White House before it's over.

Again, I say that Obama on vacation during these times, is his usual lack of concern and self-centeredness. Screwing the rich has been his agenda from day one. And look for many small businesses to close and people to go under fast with his new reign of terror on our bank accounts and pocketbooks.

bfra, even Christians get frustrated and sin when dealing with the likes of you and your ilk! We're just human.

By: Ask01 on 11/10/12 at 10:59

Regarding the French, the upper class did indeed come back, and are thriving today. However, there doesn't seem such opulent and ostentatious displays of privilege today as during the pre revolution days, wouldn't you agree?

Perhaps they learned to better treat those doing the labor and more effectively hide extravagant behavior.

A lesson which should not be lost.

By: bfra on 11/10/12 at 11:27

Sorry bud, you can't blame anyone for your sins & faults, except yourself!

By: yogiman on 11/10/12 at 5:30

How about you, bfra. Any self blame?

By: yogiman on 11/10/12 at 6:18

An interesting article from the Prague Czech Republic newspaper Prager Zeitungon titled;
"We have met the enemy and it is us" that was translated into English.

"The danger to America is not Barack Obama, but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgement to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools, such as those who made him their president."

Another post showing 10 dire consequences of Obama's re-election.

www.patriotactions.net/forum/topic/show?io=2600775%3ATopic%3A5992226&xgs=1&xg_source=msg_share_topic/

By: yogiman on 11/10/12 at 6:19

An interesting article from the Prague Czech Republic newspaper Prager Zeitungon titled;
"We have met the enemy and it is us" that was translated into English.

"The danger to America is not Barack Obama, but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgement to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools, such as those who made him their president."

Another post showing 10 dire consequences of Obama's re-election.

www.patriotactions.net/forum/topic/show?io=2600775%3ATopic%3A5992226&xgs=1&xg_source=msg_share_topic/

By: yogiman on 11/10/12 at 6:21

Sorry, I hit the button twice. But both of these posts are worth reading twice, anyway.

By: yogiman on 11/10/12 at 6:41

Are you interested the USA or your favorite man Barry, Ask01?

Check these 51 reasons. Take your pick.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/11/12 at 8:53

It is good to live in America.

By: Ask01 on 11/11/12 at 9:23

So true, Captain Nemo, however a possible bump has appeared in the road.

I read, somewhat apprehensively, former High Lord Mayor and Governor Phil Bredesen has mentioned he might be enticed to seek some public office in, I believe the date was 2014.

At least as mayor, Phil did allow the citizens to vote themselves the financial burden of the stadium, unlike Mayor Dean and the MCC.

Still, I don't trust him. To be fair, I haven't cared for any governor since Don Sundquist tried to scam an income tax on the state.

I don't actually trust any politician, truth be known. Elections, for me, are usually about choosing the lesser evil and not so much voting for one candidate as against another.

By: parnell3rd on 11/11/12 at 10:00

Time to move onto another topic. Several days old!

By: parnell3rd on 11/11/12 at 10:02

To all Vetrans "Have a great day!" from a former Screaming Eagle.