Up for Debate: What's next for Zimmerman

Monday, July 15, 2013 at 12:07am

What's next for George Zimmerman following the jury's verdict in the Trayvon Martin killing? What's next for gun laws and race relations?

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194 Comments on this post:

By: bfra on 7/15/13 at 10:50

Ben - Just reread your comment I posted!

By: govskeptic on 7/15/13 at 10:51

For those that don't know the law of self-defense or didn't hear the judge read it in
the jury charge: The amount of injury, seriousness, or absolutely no injury at all
doesn't make any difference when applying self-defense. Much has been made
by many commentators on the small amount of injury to Zimmerman, but again
none required. Additionally, it's not against the law to follow someone generally,
even if suggested not to. I suppose a domestic court order situation is an exception.
These are what the jury was instructed to go by. The state was boxed in with their
lack of proof and witnesses. This problem works both ways for either side in a
great many cases.

By: govskeptic on 7/15/13 at 11:05

For those that don't know the law of self-defense or didn't hear the judge read it in
the jury charge: The amount of injury, seriousness, or absolutely no injury at all
doesn't make any difference when applying self-defense. Much has been made
by many commentators on the small amount of injury to Zimmerman, but again
none required. Additionally, it's not against the law to follow someone generally,
even if suggested not to. I suppose a domestic court order situation is an exception.
These are what the jury was instructed to go by. The state was boxed in with their
lack of proof and witnesses. This problem works both ways for either side in a
great many cases.

By: brrrrk on 7/15/13 at 11:06

govskeptic said on 7/15/13 at 11:51

"For those that don't know the law of self-defense or didn't hear the judge read it in
the jury charge: The amount of injury, seriousness, or absolutely no injury at all
doesn't make any difference when applying self-defense. Much has been made
by many commentators on the small amount of injury to Zimmerman, but again
none required."

But that's a problem if we can't instantiate the difference between a real threat or a perceived threat. Does this then give credence to a self defense argument if the reason is someone's perceived threat from another just based on some outrageous fear of the "Mandingo"? I suspect Zimmerman will ultimately lose in civil court just as OJ did. Will this do anything to bring back the kid, no. But at the very least he may be prohibited from profiting from his irresponsibility.

By: govskeptic on 7/15/13 at 11:07

gosh: so sorry about these double posting-phone calls and slow computer.

By: yogiman on 7/15/13 at 11:09

BS, brrrrk. Law abiding citizens do not carry a gun looking for someone to shoot as you impose. The only time a gun has killed anyone without the trigger being pulled by someone intentionally is when it is dropped.

So when you drop yours, make sure its safety is on.

And govskeptic, it was dark and raining that night and Trayvon had a hood over his head; including his face. After Trayvon had disappeared from Zimmerman, what makes these Trayvon buddies so sure he knew Zimmerman was the man he had seen before?

By: budlight on 7/15/13 at 11:09

Gov, you make too much sense, as does Ben for the libtards on this sit e to comprehend. Going for a murder charge was too much. Maybe they should have gone for involuntary manslaughter, especially if Zimmerman could not be proven to be what they tried to prove he was.

I feel safer knowing that if some yahoo breaks into my home, it is within my rights to defend myself even if I have to shoot someone. We just discovered $1000 worth of tools stolen from my husband over the weekend. Wish I could catch them.

By: bfra on 7/15/13 at 11:14

Sure you did Bud! No matter the situation you always have a tale to tell. Any & All situations! LMAO

By: govskeptic on 7/15/13 at 11:15

brrrk: You are right about your concern on self-defense. I'm sure there have been
many cases when a spouse, business partner, or others were
killed without any provocation or knowledge that anything was about to even
happen and the killer claimed self-defense and possibly got away with it.

By: govskeptic on 7/15/13 at 11:15

brrrk: You are right about your concern on self-defense. I'm sure there have been
many cases when a spouse, business partner, or others were
killed without any provocation or knowledge that anything was about to even
happen and the killer claimed self-defense and possibly got away with it.

By: brrrrk on 7/15/13 at 11:17

yogiman said on 7/15/13 at 12:09

"BS, brrrrk. Law abiding citizens do not carry a gun looking for someone to shoot as you impose."

It's "suppose", not "impose".... seriously, learn how to google or buy a dictionary.

AND everyone who carries a gun is potentially a "law abiding citizen" up until the point that they wrongfully shoot someone.... the nutcase kid up in Connecticut was a "law abiding citizen" up until the point that he walked into that elementary school and killed all those kids.

By: brrrrk on 7/15/13 at 11:23

bfra said on 7/15/13 at 12:14

"Sure you did Bud! No matter the situation you always have a tale to tell. Any & All situations! LMAO"

Boy you sure nailed that on one the head. I've known people who have worked with bud-dense.... and the stories.... LOL. She always had one. I'd have to change the names to protect the innocent...

By: BigPapa on 7/15/13 at 11:24

"the nutcase kid up in Connecticut was a "law abiding citizen" up until the point that he walked into that elementary school and killed all those kids."

Actually no he wasnt. He stole the guns from his mother, so he wasn't using his own gun that were registered, nor did he have a carry permit. So that sounds like a nice GOTCHA phrase, but it's not true.

By: bfra on 7/15/13 at 11:27

Big Papa -
Actuall brrrrk is correct! His taking the guns & stooting the children was all one crime.

By: brrrrk on 7/15/13 at 11:28

BigPapa said on 7/15/13 at 12:24

"Actually no he wasnt. He stole the guns from his mother, so he wasn't using his own gun that were registered, nor did he have a carry permit. So that sounds like a nice GOTCHA phrase, but it's not true."

Wow, talk about parsing the facts.....

OK, that kid in Colorado who shot all those people in the theater.... every one of his weapons was legally purchased.

By: bfra on 7/15/13 at 11:31

brrrrk - Agree! I know a few that knows bud & some of the things they tell on her, is really unbelievable, but knowing these people & by what bud puts on this board, they are telling the truth. Glad I don't live around her.

By: joeboone82 on 7/15/13 at 11:52

Captain Nemo continues to say, "he was found not guilty, not innocent."

There is something called the presumption of innocence, or "innocent until proven guilty." It is the legal right of the accused in a criminal trial. I am not saying he is innocent, but since he was found to be not guilty, by default, one could take that to mean "innocent" (not in life, but at least in that particular case). I am not taking sides, because I was not present at the crime and do not feel like I have the knowledge needed about the case to make that decision. I just wanted to point out that "old sayin'."

By: Captain Nemo on 7/15/13 at 12:20

joe, Zimmerman was found not guilty but that does not make him innocent. There is a difference.

By: budlight on 7/15/13 at 12:25

bfra on 7/15/13 at 12:31
brrrrk - Agree! I know a few that knows bud & some of the things they tell on her, is really unbelievable, but knowing these people & by what bud puts on this board, they are telling the truth. Glad I don't live around her.

You know no one who knows me. You are a fabricator of the worst kind. And you are a liar also.

By: Captain Nemo on 7/15/13 at 12:26

In Tennessee it is a crime to touch someone with out there permission. One little finger anywhere on someone person, might lead to a killing now, since Zimmerman got off free.

By: Captain Nemo on 7/15/13 at 12:27

I know you and you are a liar.

By: Captain Nemo on 7/15/13 at 12:29

Plus bud you are government waste.

By: bfra on 7/15/13 at 12:31

Bud you stick your big butt in everybody's business & people talk!

By: Captain Nemo on 7/15/13 at 12:36

I know someone that said they saw bud standing in front of the men's urinal.

By: bfra on 7/15/13 at 12:44

Nemo - She is saving that tale for another day! LOL

By: BenDover on 7/15/13 at 12:46

If you can't pull you gun and shoot him when the thug is pummeling your head against the concrete, D'argent, when can you?

By: BenDover on 7/15/13 at 12:48

I know bfra... I was typing fast and didn't proof it. I got the victim's name mixed up with the assailant in that phrase... just like you.

By: bfra on 7/15/13 at 12:50

Ben - Get over yourself & don't blame your mistakes on me. I make enough on my own and don't try to cover them up like you & yogi.

By: bfra on 7/15/13 at 12:53

By: BenDover on 7/15/13 at 1:46

If you can't pull you gun and shoot him when the thug is pummeling your head against the concrete, D'argent, when can you?
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If Zimmerman had followed instructions, he wouldn't have been in that situation & as he out weighed Martin about 2 to 1, he must have been a overweight weaklin. So he has no excuse, except his own ineptness, for being in that situation.

By: BenDover on 7/15/13 at 12:53

No, I cleared up my mistake in typing. You continue to confuse the victim with the assailant.

By: gdiafante on 7/15/13 at 1:02

As Ben likes to point out, it was Martin's fault that he was no teen angel, filled with angst and a thug who apparently decided to confront someone who was following him. But he wasn't following him long,so that doesn't count.

Zimmy was just being a competent neighborhood watch facilitator and defending the neighborhood from that big, bad thug who was transporting Skittles illegally across neighborhood lines.

First it's Skittles, then gummy bears, pretty soon, you have a bunch of punks in your yard selling girl scout cookies. This country is going to hell in a handbasket...

By: Captain Nemo on 7/15/13 at 1:07

Ben how did Zimmerman know Martin was a thug? Did Martin have THUG written somewhere on his person? You have posted many times that he was a thug and Zimmerman was a hero.

By: Captain Nemo on 7/15/13 at 1:08

LOL gdia

By: gdiafante on 7/15/13 at 1:09

Ben learned that after the fact, which doesn't count either, according to Gov. Those two would make good defense lawyers...it's not about the crime, but how you can destroy the credibility of the victim.

By: bfra on 7/15/13 at 1:10

LOL gdiafante & Nemo!

By: gdiafante on 7/15/13 at 1:12

And, for the record, my two cents about the verdict: the jury had enough reasonable doubt and that's all it takes. Honestly, that's the way it should be. You don't convict someone unless you're absolutely sure.

By: Captain Nemo on 7/15/13 at 1:15

Zimmerman wanted to be a hero / cop, but but did not have the mentality to be one. The gun he carried made him feel bigger than he actually is. Now this is something people seem to over look about Zimmerman. If it was him screaming for help, he sure sounded like a little girl.

By: BenDover on 7/15/13 at 1:17

Purple Drank

By: Captain Nemo on 7/15/13 at 1:18

gdia is correct about the verdict and the jury. That is why I have been saying that he Not guilty, but that does not make him innocent. GET IT!

By: Captain Nemo on 7/15/13 at 1:21

Pink slime. , Ben.
If it was Zimmerman screaming like a little girl that night, it goes to show that he should never get out of the house.

By: gdiafante on 7/15/13 at 1:23

Thank god Zimmy knew that Martin's intent was to make Purple Drank. Even though he only had two of the three ingredients (both of which are quite legal).

Oh wait, Zimmy didn't know what Martin had, we only knew that...

wait for it...

after the fact.

You need to stop buying the media hysteria, Ben. LOL

By: govskeptic on 7/15/13 at 1:29

There has never been a jury that gave a verdict of "Innocent". No criminal case
gives that option. I'm sure every defendant receiving that verdict wants his mother
to think he is Innocent, but no Prosecutor ever felt "not guilty" meant Innocent.
BUT, there are some that actually are Innocent of all charges.

By: brrrrk on 7/15/13 at 1:33

budlight on 7/15/13 at 1:25

"You know no one who knows me. You are a fabricator of the worst kind. And you are a liar also."

And how long did you work at Macy's as a masseuse?

By: BenDover on 7/15/13 at 1:34

Treyvon was a little thug who attacked Zimmerman. Assault is a crime that happens to 1 in about every 150 Floridians every years and in this case it seems little Trayvon was intent to bust open Zimmerman's little bean head... and thus bring some hood justice to the suburbs. Unfortunately for Trayvon when you start beating the hell out of someone, that someone has the right to defend himself with lethal force... in this case, evidently before the impending Purple Drank overdose.

Trayvon... suspended from school for drug and fighting and possession of stolen goods. Trayvon... with all the fight pics and braggadocio about fighting on his phone... Trayvon who by evidence of his texts was trying to get a gun... Trayvon, whose halo over his head turned out to be a ring of pot smoke.

Trayvon was a victim. He was a victim of his culture where he was taught by politicians, hip-hop artists, and his thug mentors to rage against civil society rather than participate in it.

By: brrrrk on 7/15/13 at 1:40

Captain Nemo said on 7/15/13 at 2:07

"Ben how did Zimmerman know Martin was a thug? Did Martin have THUG written somewhere on his person? You have posted many times that he was a thug and Zimmerman was a hero."

Oh c'mon cap, you know how Zimmerman (Ben) knew.....

By: BenDover on 7/15/13 at 1:42

Listen to the transcript... he describes exactly how he knew he was a thug. Clearly enough that the dispatcher sent a patrol car over to investigate.

By: BenDover on 7/15/13 at 1:43

To avoid the distraction, that shb Read the Transcript or Listen to the Tapes...

By: BenDover on 7/15/13 at 1:44

And it turns out Zimmerman was right.

By: Captain Nemo on 7/15/13 at 1:44

Maybe they can get Zimmerman for stalking Martin.

My bad brrrrk ;-)

By: brrrrk on 7/15/13 at 1:46

BenDover said on 7/15/13 at 2:34

"Trayvon was a victim. He was a victim of his culture where he was taught by politicians, hip-hop artists, and his thug mentors to rage against civil society rather than participate in it."

Skipping (Zimmermans words from the Hannity interview)? Is that what they call "raging against civil society" these days?