Up for Debate: The 'White Paper'

Wednesday, February 6, 2013 at 12:32am

What is your reaction to the release of the Department of Justice memo, referred to as the "white paper" and obtained by NBC News, that reveals the U.S. government policy of ordering the killing of American citizens believed to be Al Qaeda leaders?

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180 Comments on this post:

By: Loner on 2/6/13 at 9:01

Agreed, Slack, the loss of blood can cause a powerful thirst...even bloodied Jihadists need a drink after a hard day of self-mutilation and faith-based bleeding.....I like your idea, Slack, of soccer players armed with lengths of motorcycle drive chain...the Muslims would dominate....they'd be whipping each other into a frenzy on the sidelines.....wild-eyed for Allah.

By: yogiman on 2/6/13 at 9:01

bfra,

If you had just a little bit of the intelligence you seem to think you have, you would have seen I only posted the bill being presented. Intelligence should tell you it must be passed by the House, then passed by the Senate, then passed by the citizens (that's we the people). But I'd say with Barry in there with the way he has the votes counted, don't count the bill out.

By: Captain Nemo on 2/6/13 at 9:05

Drones are here and it reminds me of the Terminator, just a little bit.

“I’ll be back.”

Arnold Schwarzenegger

By: Loner on 2/6/13 at 9:05

American citizens don't decide the fate of proposed amendments...the states vote on the amendments....winner take all.....like the Electoral College...what we have here is Democracy Lite.

By: yogiman on 2/6/13 at 9:06

One proven fact, dumba$$: If Rasputin72's is equal to me mentally, that means he is far superior to your mentality. And you're proving it every day.

By: bfra on 2/6/13 at 9:09

yogi finally recognizes that he & Raspy are like 2 tiny little dots (should be brains) in a pea pod together. Mark 1 up for yogi being right on something!

By: bfra on 2/6/13 at 9:11

Loner - yogi just tries to make pitiful excuses for his inane comments, after he is called on how stupid he is.

By: slacker on 2/6/13 at 9:11

http://www.thecommentator.com/article/2610/no_more_droning_on_about_unmanned_aerial_aircraft

By: yogiman on 2/6/13 at 9:12

Damn, bfra, can't you even count? How many Loners is there on this site?

By: Loner on 2/6/13 at 9:14

The troll droppings are stinking up the board already....and it's only a little after 9AM in Music City...I'll say one thing, the trolls in Nashville are up with the chickens every morning...taking up their pecking order...clucking their familiar cluck....these roosting, bobble-headed fowl seem to excrete more than they eat....they are stinking up the hen house....where is Col. Sanders when you need him?

By: BenDover on 2/6/13 at 9:15

3/4ths of the states are necessary to ratify a new constitutional amendment loner.

We are safely a republic for the foreseeable future.

By: Captain Nemo on 2/6/13 at 9:15

Oh how this simple mental daffy doodle forgets so soon.

By: yogiman on 1/26/13 at 3:13
dumba$$, you couldn't even pass a spelling test, let alone a test of intelligence.
Want to try one? Check on google or bing and take a test.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/26/13 at 3:33
I took the test yogi and a made a 100.

By: yogiman on 1/26/13 at 7:30
I feel so humiliated, dumba$$, to get beat by an idiot as ignorant as you.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/26/13 at 9:53
That makes you the dumbest dumb ass…yogi.

By: BenDover on 2/6/13 at 9:17

They were stupid enough to vote for the Robin Hood amendment #16 that nullifies much of the state, local and individual power though. ... and were nagged into #19 too it would seem so the rule of emotion trumps reason now... though the presidents since then have been quite the lookers compared to the trend we were on before.

By: Captain Nemo on 2/6/13 at 9:18

By: yogiman on 2/6/13 at 9:06
One proven fact, dumba$$: If Rasputin72's is equal to me mentally, that means he is far superior to your mentality. And you're proving it every day.

I bet this must BURN Raspy. To have yogi say that he is as smart as yogi. LOL

By: slacker on 2/6/13 at 9:21

You know.. if Bill Clinton had offed Osama Bin.. as he should have.. we wouldn't be getting felt up at the airport.
-Derb Drone

By: yogiman on 2/6/13 at 9:24

Sorry, dumba$$,

If you had that intelligence you claim, how do I know your score except what you said. And how do you know you beat me when I made that facetious remark?

And you call that intelligence?

By: Captain Nemo on 2/6/13 at 9:28

That is not my problem yogi.

By: bfra on 2/6/13 at 9:35

slacker - Bush had 8 yrs. to off Osama. If he & his family hadn't been business partners & bosum buddies with Osama's family, Osama IMO would have been gone a long time ago.

By: slacker on 2/6/13 at 9:41

bfra, the point was, there would not have been a 9/11 attack.

By: Loner on 2/6/13 at 9:41

Slacker, I went to the link you posted and read the article..I left this post on the rather stale board:

Dr. Boys used the phrase, "the forces of political violence", four times in this short essay; he used that expression to describe what used to be termed: "terrorists", or "Jihadists".

Is a certain political correctness coming into fashion in this regard?

It's a useful term, of course....quite clever; maybe the lengthy descriptor could be shortened into an acronym? "The forces of political violence" could be expressed as: TFOPV....or trimmed to simply: FOPV...as in, "Let's target the FOPV."

Ladies & Gentlemen: We have a new boogeyman....the FOPV.

Thank you, Dr. Boys.

By: slacker on 2/6/13 at 9:43

Good observation Loner.

By: bfra on 2/6/13 at 9:52

slacker - You could be right on 9/11. However, if the Bush/Chaney fiasco had been on their toes, there possibly wouldn't have been a 9/11 either.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 2/6/13 at 9:53

OK, we really need to have a sane, centrist third party. I have very mixed feelings about this and the only representatives we have are the crazy ass fringe people on the right and then the Dems. It's hard to have a sane discussion about important things such as this when there are few centrists in the government these days.

By: Loner on 2/6/13 at 9:59

Ben Dover caught my error...he is right, it takes 3/4, not 2/3 of the state legislatures to approve an amendment to the constitution.

Snippet:

"The Constitution provides that an amendment may be proposed either by the Congress with a two-thirds majority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate or by a constitutional convention called for by two-thirds of the State legislatures.....A proposed amendment becomes part of the Constitution as soon as it is ratified by three-fourths of the States (38 of 50 States)."

Source:

http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/constitution/

But I was right, the state legislatures, not we the people, get to vote on proposed amendments to the US Constitution...Fifty states get to vote, not hundreds of millions of US voters...it's Democracy Lite.....it's like the Electoral College, only less democratic than that.

Ben likes this set-up, claims it keeps the USA a glorious republic, not a damned democracy....Ben reiterates the aristocratic view of some of the Founders....especially the Southern ones....the states rights crowd....the secessionist-friendly elements of society.

By: pswindle on 2/6/13 at 10:00

Presdient Obama is killing those who want to harm Americans. Bush/Cheney killed milions in Iraq, for what reason?

By: yogiman on 2/6/13 at 10:01

bfra,

Have you ever wondered why Barack Obama can not pass the E-Verify program on the Social Security number he is using? If you have 15 minutes to spare, listen to the woman in Washington state on the issue.

www.patriotaction.net/forum/topics/show?id=2600775%3ATopic%3A608447&xgs=1&xg_source=msg_share_topic/

Why can't he pass it?

By: Blanketnazi2 on 2/6/13 at 10:02

pswindle, I agree with Obama when it comes to this specific situation however I think that this will create a slippery slope and see how it could be disasterous down the road.

By: yogiman on 2/6/13 at 10:06

Loner,

With the way the National legislators are showing themselves today, I hope our state legislators are still supporting their state's citizens.

By the way, I see where a lot of people in NY were raising hell on the state's attempt to get the common citizens guns under control.

By: Loner on 2/6/13 at 10:12

Bn, centrists do not attract special interest money, therefore, they are rare birds in the Congress today.

The special interests demand that a lawmaker be a useful ideologue, before they will give him/her any money....the big lobbies vet the up and comers....extremism, in the pursuit of special interest goals, is considered to be a virtue, not a vice....cool-headed centrists, who somehow get into office, are usually defeated by special-interest-financed opponents in the following election cycle.

By: slacker on 2/6/13 at 10:13

nazi, we can form a Centrist third party, but how are we gonna get the 47% vote away from the Dems.?

By: Captain Nemo on 2/6/13 at 10:14

Blanket I feel that we have been on a slippery slop for sometime now. Maybe there is no stopping it, until we hit bottom. The reboot will give us another chance to do it right, but these is only desperate wish of mine.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 2/6/13 at 10:18

slacker, it would be pulling the moderates from both parties.

By: slacker on 2/6/13 at 10:19

It seems to me, that its going to be almost impossible, to keep new technology snooping, out of your private life & business.
Big Brother and the Nanny have arrived.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 2/6/13 at 10:20

wait, slacker. Are you implying that you believe the whole 47% lazy-assholes-who-don't-pay-taxes bunk be touted by the right?

By: Blanketnazi2 on 2/6/13 at 10:22

I'm more worried about people trying to control women's healthcare and gay marriage than I am about technology snooping. If you really want to talk about the government not overstepping....

By: gdiafante on 2/6/13 at 10:22

I addressed this "memo" yesterday. I think I was the only one who actually read it. Yogi thought it said that drones could freely kill Americans here within the U.S. and Ben concurred. At least he corrected himself...

Slack's take is correct. Drones equal less boots on the ground, and that's a good thing. And, I don't have a problem with the government targeting an American who is collaborating with Al-Qaeda to the point that they're a high ranking member. In that context, they cease being protected by the Constitition and are, in fact, a traitor.

And, when you break it down, the memo regurgitated a point from Star Trek II...the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one. In other words, due process becomes less of an issue if an American is about to commit mass murder. At that point, it's self-defense and deadly force is legally sanctioned.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 2/6/13 at 10:26

g, I completely agree with that however I can see how it could easily be abused. That's the part that is scary.

By: Loner on 2/6/13 at 10:27

Democratic Republic...or....Republican Democracy.....that is the question...."to be or not to be?", as the bard of Avon might quip.

In their never-ending drive to denigrate the Democratic Party, the Republicans have attacked the virtue and value of democracy itself...that is, they distrust the judgment and wisdom of the general population...the masses.

The Republicans do not trust, "We, the people"....they trust in state legislatures. In their view, these states are sovereign mini-republics...the political union of these sovereign republics is the super-republic we call the USA.

It is ironic that President Lincoln, a Republican, saved the union from the Democratic Party of the day....today, the Republican Party is the states rights party ....and the Democratic Party is the "one nation, indivisible" party....Tricky Dick Nixon pulled off the Great Switcheroo.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 2/6/13 at 10:27

btw, I bet yogi still believes it means drones could freely kill Americans here within the U.S.

By: gdiafante on 2/6/13 at 10:32

I agree. Anything can be abused. I just wish we could have an intelligent conversation about the issue instead of dolts like yogi, who have no idea what the memo is really about, jumping to conclusions and spreading rumors that incite even more ignorance about the subject.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 2/6/13 at 10:33

Exactly.

By: gdiafante on 2/6/13 at 10:35

Loner, they've been arguing about that since the Federal government was formed. It's funny how things haven't changed in almost 230 years.

Actually it's sad.

By: Captain Nemo on 2/6/13 at 10:41

In today’s world I ask can we have Freedom and Privacy. Are they two separate issues? How can we go about our daily lives freely and not worry about some mad bomber or Looney with a gun going to shoot you, because you don’t look right.

People complain about having to go through the security line at airports, but they never thing about if not for this, they would have some terrorist with a gun in the next seat.

By: Captain Nemo on 2/6/13 at 10:44

By: Blanketnazi2 on 2/6/13 at 10:27
btw, I bet yogi still believes it means drones could freely kill Americans here within the U.S.

That is because of the buzzing in his head, Blanket.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 2/6/13 at 10:47

Or the voices, Nemo.

By: bfra on 2/6/13 at 10:47

As just experienced on recent trip to Nawlins:-) , I saw nothing out of the way with security checks at the airports. Yes Nemo, I had rather have the security checks than contend with a bomb, gun, looney (like yogi) or worse on a plane.

By: gdiafante on 2/6/13 at 10:53

I don't know Loner, I've always thought that Madison was more ironic. Of course, it also illustrates just how much foresight Hamilton had in the 1790's.

Madison went from drafting the Virginia Plan (which became the Constitution), to writing some of the best essays in defense of a strong federal government (Federalist no.10), to championing states rights and opposing expanded federal powers to tax and create a bank of the U.S., to being secretary of state during the Louisiana Purchase (which he would have opposed during Washington's term as violating the Constitution on many levels) and then creating a Hamiltonian revenue system and a national bank as President.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 2/6/13 at 10:53

I'm fine with the security checks.

By: Captain Nemo on 2/6/13 at 10:57

People want things to be the same for ever, (That is the definition of a conservative) but that is not reality. Anytime the government does something to protect us from the bad guy, it often goes too far and that is when the people must react. There is no one solution, to an ever changing world.

By: Captain Nemo on 2/6/13 at 10:58

I don’t worry so much about yogi. He stay in hiding in his closet.