Up for Debate: Who's running the state fair

Wednesday, May 16, 2012 at 12:24am

How do you feel about the Tennessee State Fair Association — approved to run the fair again this year — being the same group that supported a bill that would allow state government to oversee the fair? Do you fear the state fair could move outside of Nashville or would you welcome that change?

81 Comments on this post:

By: Ask01 on 5/16/12 at 2:53

I see a potential conflict of interest, as I suspect the enthusiam level will be far inferior to that by a group actually interested in preserving the institution in situ.

The tired old cliche of the fox guarding the henhouse springs to mind as somehow, actually appropriate.

This, sad to say, reeks of being, in my humble opinion, Mayor Dean's next tactic in trying to demolish the fairgrounds by setting the facility up for failure.

Pretty low, Mayor Dean, pretty low. Expected, in keeping with my character profile regarding your make up, but still low. Not only that, but ham handed in the extreme, worthy of some cartoon character.

I say we citizens should attend the fair and make it the most profitable ever, shooting all sorts of large holes in the mayor's plan.

But then, I must confess for those who are unaware, I am not a fan of our current mayoral leadership(?)

By: Loner on 5/16/12 at 3:20

Good morning, Nashville.

A state fair should be run by the state, not a city, county or metro enterprise....county fairs are county fairs; state fairs are state fairs....that's my personal opinion, of course.

Having said that, I do not trust the mayor, the governor or this John Rose character.

The mayor wants to "develop" the fair grounds using sweetheart contracts etc.

The governor is a complete chickenshit...he is waiting to see which way the wind blows on this issue, as he usually does on controversial issues....what a wimp.

John Rose, the head honcho of the Fair Board seems to be a two-faced sort of player...he did not show up at Monday's meeting...why not?

What we have here are good reasons versus real reasons....the good reasons are well-publicized...the real reasons for this sort of human behavior are always more obscure and never publicly acknowledged.

Keep digging and the real reasons will be discovered.....or sit on your hands and let the sweetheart deals rip you off, once again....the choice is yours, Nashville.

By: Loner on 5/16/12 at 3:26

State Fairs should be located in the state's capital city area, IMO, but in NY, the State Fair is in Syracuse, not Albany, (150 miles apart), and it seems to work out fine....Syracuse has been hosting the NYS Fair for at least the past fifty years....it's a pretty big deal...I enjoy attending the event.

By: Ask01 on 5/16/12 at 4:04

Good Morning Loner,

All true and valid comments, as usual.

My biggest concern is the way our mayor tried to take over the facility, raze the site, and....well, that's the crux, there is no 'and' considering he denies any plans for the site.

Plus, the false concern for those living nearby, as all residing so close moved there with the full knowledge of the activities held.

I believe there are other options, including transforming the site into some sort of mini theme park and musem, highlighting the sites role in both horse and auto racing. In addition, perhaps a nod to the history of fairs and the importance of agriculture in Tennessee's history. A permanent midway with ride, games and of course, snack stands with the usual offerings found at such events.

This option, my favorite, could be tied in with nearby, (relaltively) Civil War era Fort Negly and the Sounds Stadium, highlighting the history of baseball locally. I could easily envision an attached museum, exhibition games, and even allowing visitors a chance to walk the field, swing a bat, whatever to make them feel part of the game.

Tying all these together, being relatively close to downtown and MCC, could bring in tourist dollars, if marketed properly and with enthusiasm.

Of course, I'm sure none of this plays into the mayor's plan.

Oh wait, he said he has no plans.

By: Loner on 5/16/12 at 4:33

I agree with your post too, Ask01.

The auto-racing at the fairgrounds seems to be the most objectionable use of the site...the noise aspect...but, folks should have known about the racing before they moved into the area....racing is grandfathered in there.

Horse racing is quieter, but the smell of the horse manure would cause complaints too.

You cannot please everyone all the time...to me, the mayor should please most of the people most of the time....but there are times when a mayor must do an unpopular thing for the public good....that's the rub.

By: Loner on 5/16/12 at 4:36

Ask, I just left a comment on the Vince Young article; I'd like your take on my comment.

By: Loner on 5/16/12 at 4:39

Here is the link:

http://nashvillecitypaper.com/content/sports/vince-young-sees-new-opportunity-buffalo-chance-silence-doubters

By: Loner on 5/16/12 at 5:03

Thanks for the feedback, A1, I feel sorry for the guy....that article changed my mind about VY, he should retire, IMO....he's been hammered.

By: dargent7 on 5/16/12 at 5:04

Vince Young and the Buffalo Bills?
He was the worst QB ever in Nashville with the Titans.
Geo into fist fights in Dallas strip clubs at 3 in the morning.
Pouts on the sidline. Never cheers his team on.
Runs off with a loaded gun and coach Fisher has to find him.
Throws his pads into the stands after being benched.
He's almost 30 now, maybe "matured"?

By: gdiafante on 5/16/12 at 5:05

Who cares about the state fair? Does anyone even go to that anymore?

By: Rasputin72 on 5/16/12 at 5:15

Once upon a time the Tennessee State Fair was a much anticipated event/ So big that schools gave every student a half day holiday to attend the Tenn State Fair.

A lot of things came along over the last 60 years that make the Tenn State Fair irrevalent along with whoever is in charge of the Tenn State Fair.

By: Loner on 5/16/12 at 5:22

Darge, go read that VY article, if you haven't already....I think that VY has had some brain damage....read the quotes....his mind is about half-gone...he was once more articulate or am I wrong on that part?

Loss of emotional control can be a symptom of trauma to the brain.

Hopefully, the Bills did a CAT scan on VY's cranium before signing him...or they could be left holding the bag for his brain injuries in a personal injury lawsuit down the road.

Vince should simply retire, IMHO....maybe he needs the money.

By: Loner on 5/16/12 at 5:29

Is it fair to say that the appeal of a fair has passed away? Are we beyond county and state fairs? Too sophisticated...too jaded by other spectacles....too much bread & circus is already out there?

Maybe we don't want to rub elbows with the unwashed masses....or deal with the parking hassles.....who wants to visit the Livestock Exhibits anyway?

By: gdiafante on 5/16/12 at 5:32

Not fairs in general, Loner, just the one at the Fairgrounds. The more popular fairs, and in better locations and more family friendly, are the Wilson and Williamson County Fairs.

Now, if you want to hang out with gang members and trailer trash, the Fairgrounds is a good place to start.

I'm starting to sound like Raspy...but sorry folks, I don't want my kids in that type of environment. I suspect I'm not the only one.

By: dargent7 on 5/16/12 at 5:33

L'ner: VY was always "dumb". All his press interviewes showed him to be a dunce.
Listen to Michael Vick talk? Same IQ. About 80 apeice.
Look at a Joe Namath at 65, now speak. Also won SB 3.
He's coherent. Joe Montana. Dan Marino....all coherent.
Watch gD challenge me on that.

By: Loner on 5/16/12 at 5:36

The only cure for "Fair Burn-Out" is to attend a fair....I was burnt out too...then I was "dragged" into going to the NYS Fair.....I truly enjoyed it...made me proud to be a New Yorker.....the food was good...the people-watching opportunities were endless, we are a strange species indeed. The atmosphere was festive and exciting.

Give the Fair one more shot before throwing in the towel....it's a lot of fun, for the whole family...a couple....even for loners.

By: Loner on 5/16/12 at 5:45

Some brains are more durable than others, Darge...no two brain injuries are identical....Joe Namath was brilliant, IMO....he could have lost a lot of grey matter and still sound cogent. today.....Joe could be smart, but no longer brilliant?

I think that professional football is doomed in the long run...like boxing....it will take decades...the High Schools will de-emphasize football and the colleges will follow suit....the talent pool will dry up...the entire game will enter into decline.....the NFL may limp along for additional decades, but the glory days will be long gone.

By: gdiafante on 5/16/12 at 5:51

Well darge...lol

Actually, I've heard that Marino isn't that bright, didn't score very well on some test or something. I think you can be dumb as a rock but understand the game and be great. He seems fine on TV, so who knows. I think Phil Simms had the same rep...dumb country boy...

Terry Bradshaw is famous for being stupid (he had that rep before he was in movies).

VY's problem is that he doesn't seem very smart and he's immature.

By: dargent7 on 5/16/12 at 5:52

L'ner: Disagree. There are so many rules in place now. No "helmet to helmet."..No horse-shoe tackels (whatever that is).
In my day, it was , "Ruffing the passer", or "Ruffing the kicker".
VY talked like a moron since age 12. Because he was a moron.
Check out the Wonderlic testing and scores.
It's like the ACT where 30 is perfect, and someone gets a 10.
Or, the SAT's where 1,600 is perfect and someone gets a 750.
You cannot fake science.

By: gdiafante on 5/16/12 at 5:57

I wouldn't put too much faith in the Wonderlic scores. It doesn't measure football IQ, and that's all that really matters. VY isn't being paid to prove string theory. He's being paid to throw a ball accurately (which he can't do very well).

The only reason he's in the NFL is because of the way he played against USC in the championship game. Had they lost or been blown out, he would have been drafted and likely a third string QB if he was still in the league.

By: Loner on 5/16/12 at 5:58

Vince is no "moron"...it could be argued that getting a minimum of 2 million dollars to sit on the Bills bench for a season...as their 3rd string QB.....is pure genius...could be money fer nuthin' & chicks fer free....naw. that ain't workin'.

Better leave it or that...or the "F" word will creep into my post....my apologies to Dire Straits.

By: Captain Nemo on 5/16/12 at 6:01

From yesterday

By: brrrrk on 5/15/12 at 4:53
Just heard a great line....

What's the difference between European workers and American workers?

European workers understand that they are workers while American workers have been convinced that they are temporarily inconvenienced millionaires.

By: dargent7 on 5/16/12 at 6:01

gD: Bill Gates scored a perfect 800 on the math portion of the SAT.
There's no correlation?
I graduated from the University of Michigan with the lowest possible honors, and reading my posts, there's no correlation?

By: gdiafante on 5/16/12 at 6:01

If you think VY is dumb because of the way he talks, Chris Johnson must have a negative IQ...the man needs an interpreter for a press conference.

By: gdiafante on 5/16/12 at 6:05

No, there's not. This is about football, not silicon valley. Players are being paid to play a kids game, not cure cancer. The job requirements don't include high SAT's, just the ability to read a cover 2 or recognize a blitz package.

How did Gates fare on that?

By: dargent7 on 5/16/12 at 6:09

Off-Topic: Is there any more of a pathetic, disgrace, than this John Edwards trial?
His daughter, a lawyer, has to testify in favor of his father, a sleaze bag of epic proportions.
If he had a fatal heart attack in court, it would be an improvement.

By: Captain Nemo on 5/16/12 at 6:10

The State Fair Grounds fail from its glory days to the eye sore it has become under City control. I think that maybe the State will have better time of it, but that is slim hope on my part.

By: dargent7 on 5/16/12 at 6:12

gD: Gates has $65 billion in the bank...and you're using his operating system right now. You do the math.
Like Zuckerberg, all Harvard drop-outs. The University was too dumb for them.
That's how I felt for Michigan State. They'll admit idiots.

By: Captain Nemo on 5/16/12 at 6:14

I did not get a chance to answer this last week.

By: Rasputin72 on 5/9/12 at 9:52
I am just glad that as I grew up and started my career that people like you were seen and not heard. I think I am old enough to have enjoyed the best that this country has ever offered
By the way would it be impertinent to ask if you were a shut in or just a person with class envy?
So Rasputin, after sucking the life out of the country and your life comes to an end, you laught at what little you have leave for the future. A real man and humanitarian you are.

As for your cheeky request of what I do, I’m not going to tell you. I know this is disrespectful to someone who thinks way too much of his actual worth. As for as class envy…you have no class to envy.

BTW The best is yet to come Rasputin and you want be invited.

By: gdiafante on 5/16/12 at 6:14

That's fine and dandy, darge, but could Gates or Zuckerburg play in the NFL? How many Ivy Leagers are there in the NFL? How many HOFers were Ivy League?

The point is, if you're in the NFL, you're not there because of a high IQ. You may have one, but it's your playing ability that they care about.

By: Loner on 5/16/12 at 6:14

Johnny Cash - Straight A's In Love Lyrics
Writer(s): CASH, JOHNNY R.

Well, the readin' and the writin' arithmetic
Never did get through to me
It ain't because I'm square or thick
'Cause I learned my A, be, see

But when I graduated from the grammar school
And I moved one grade above
I began to be a snook at books
But I made straight A's in love

Now the teacher would say to learn your algebra
But I'd bring home see's and D's
How could I make an A when there's a swingin' maid
On the left and on the right and in the back and the front of me?

Oh, my grades are low on my card, I know
But they oughta give me one above
If they'd give me a mark for learnin' in the dark
I'd have straight A's in love

Now in my senior year with graduation near
I did my homework every night
And when my momma said I oughta go to bed
I turn out all the lights

But my sweetie pie was waitin' right outside
She'd be a coolin' like a dove
Though I did my best, I failed semester test
But I made straight A's in love

Now the teacher would say to learn your algebra
But I'd bring home see's and D's
How could I make an A when there's a swingin' maid
On the left and on the right and in the back and the front of me

Oh, my grades are low on my card, I know
But they oughta give me one above
If they'd give me a mark for learnin' in the dark
I'd have straight A's in love

http://www.lyrics007.com/Johnny%20Cash%20Lyrics/Straight%20A%27s%20In%20Love%20Lyrics.html

You Tube "video":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXbe92wgcyc

By: dargent7 on 5/16/12 at 6:22

I believe the Wonderlic score predicts how well a QB can read defense and operat on offense.
If VY got a 6, out of 50, and showed to be a total ass-hole, and a loser, I think we have a correlation there.
As a side-bar...do you argue just because you hate Michigan?

By: Rasputin72 on 5/16/12 at 6:22

Captain Nemo.........You are true to your name. A Captain should go down with his ship.

By: Captain Nemo on 5/16/12 at 6:23

This debate between gdia and d7 reminds me of another debate I’ve on occasions. Who would win the fight between Jedi Knight and Klingons Warriors? :-0

By: Captain Nemo on 5/16/12 at 6:30

Rasputin-

I had rather go down on a ship than to live on your garbage scow.

By: Loner on 5/16/12 at 6:32

Totally Off -Topic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO5z2xUNUpU&feature=related

Johnny Cash doing "What is Truth?"

Cash nailed that one in 1970...sadly, the wars continue....today, the draft is gone, and so are the anti-war protests.....wars can go on forever with that dynamic in place.

By: Captain Nemo on 5/16/12 at 6:33

house of pain said that he would pop in today.

By: gdiafante on 5/16/12 at 6:34

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/609895-2011-nfl-draft-10-worst-wonderlic-scores-in-combine-history

Notice Marino's score and the disclaimer that the scores don't indicate success in the NFL.

Maybe I'd stop arguing with you, darge, if you'd stop putting out these crazy notions.

By: govskeptic on 5/16/12 at 6:38

There's no way the state will ever enter the Fairgrounds dispute other than
maybe lend it's name to some other operator. The Mayor will lie low another
year on the issue until the property tax increase is over with. He's a sly one
that Dean about town!

By: slacker on 5/16/12 at 6:42

I agree with Mayor Dean's take on the Fair Grounds issue. Metro should sell the land to a business that will actually pay property taxes, and bring some jobs to the city.
The Fair violates todays politically correct culture, that no longer allows: freak shows, hoochie-coochie shows, cotton candy, geeks, dunkin' booth, weight guessing guy, rigged games, big arsed hill to climb.

By: Captain Nemo on 5/16/12 at 6:45

gdia that reminds me of this. lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzXKWKaxt3c

By: slacker on 5/16/12 at 6:47

skeptic, I agree. Deano is slow walking the fair ground issue. Gotta do the tax increase, build a tax-payer funded baseball stadium, and then do the fairground deal.

By: slacker on 5/16/12 at 6:52

Somewhere in a northern state, Nashville's next mayor is being groomed.

By: Captain Nemo on 5/16/12 at 6:54

Loner your are spot on with your 7:32 post

By: gdiafante on 5/16/12 at 6:55

That's fine with me slacker. Haslam's a good old Southern boy and look how that's turning out.

By: Captain Nemo on 5/16/12 at 6:58

Oh, oh slacker comes down with a case of yogi conspiracy blues.

Sing it Loner!!

By: slacker on 5/16/12 at 7:03

I invented the ''grassy knoll''

By: Captain Nemo on 5/16/12 at 7:04

LOL slacker

By: Captain Nemo on 5/16/12 at 7:42

I got this off FB someone sent me.

Fear fueling Republican extremism

http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/14/opinion/frum-mann-ornstein/index.html

By: BenDover on 5/16/12 at 7:45

Took my kids about 10 years ago and it was covered up with thugs. Won't be going back again. It was the canary in the mine for what's happened to Antioch just a few years later.

Just like Wave Country, it's begging for a riot and the race-baiters in the country have primed and packed that powder-keg full this year to potentially go off with an earth-shattering KABOOM!.

I'm not even going to drive down Nolensville Rd this year during the State Fair.