Up for Debate: Zimmerman charged in Martin's death

Thursday, April 12, 2012 at 2:53am

A special prosecutor announced Wednesday that George Zimmerman had been charged with second-degree murder in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin. What do you think about the decision to prosecute now, after the late February incident?

134 Comments on this post:

By: Ask01 on 4/12/12 at 2:48

The media has, despite contrary assertions by the Florida legal community, shined enough of a spotlight on this case there was no other option without risking a potential for further racially motivated violence.

This goes beyond just the shooting death of an African American teenager, I believe. What will actually be on trial is the proliferation of so called 'stand your ground laws' around the nation which provides an excuse for anyone so inclined to employ deadly force as opposed to obligating them to attempt to back away from any situation where they feel threatend. I believe a better description of the law would be the 'make my day' law. In other words, when two people confront one another, and neither will just walk away from a perceived slight, this sets up a scenario for escalation of violence.

I believe the laws original intent was to allow individuals, when confronted by someone who would not allow them walk away, an option to legally defend themselves without fear of prosecution when threatened.

The situation in Florida appears, to me at least, based on what I can glean from media, to be one in which Mr. Zimmerman, acting against advice from 911, confronted Mr. Martin, possibly in a somewhat adversarial manner, acting as a sort of what seems to have been a self appointed neighborhood watch.

Mr. Martin, perhaps believing he was being profiled for being a black male wearing a hoodie, actually 'stood his ground,' and refused to be bullied by what he perceived as a wanna be rent a cop with self esteem issues.

The situation escalated, and, well, we know the outcome. The local police, seeming to act more like a good old boy posse than law enforcement, seem to have handled the situation badly from the outset, nearly setting up a summer violence.

Hopefully, once in court the judge will allow all evidence to be heard and not limit that presented to what supports one side or the other.

In the end, hopefully justice will be done, and the stand your ground law, if not stricken from the books, will be better defined to prevent such a tragedy from ever happening again.

By: Loner on 4/12/12 at 4:31

Good morning, Nashville.

I think that justice is finally being served in this Trayvon Martin case. We can attribute this to the online social media, not to diligence on the part of the mainstream media. The Sanford Police blew the case from the beginning and their Chief of Police should resign, not just step down temporarily, IMO.

I do not think that Zimmerman will be convicted of the charge, however. The race riots have been postponed...not cancelled....when Zimmerman walks free and tries to sue for defamation of character etc. the fecal material will strike the rotorblades in Sanford, FL.

Meanwhile, we can expect another media circus surrounding the trial....CNN and the others will clean up...once again....there is big money in these spectacular show trials....this will drag on for a long time, as the lawyers milk it for every dime....and the politicians work it for every vote. This thing now has a life of its own.

By: dargent7 on 4/12/12 at 4:43

The DA is caving into public pressure.
The Police held him for 7 hours, took his side of the story, and the absurd, "Stand Your Ground" law, held the ground.
What'd they expect?
The "Hoodie" represents gang-bangers.
We wore long hair and tight jeans at 17.
Zimmerman was a cop wanna-be, failed, so elevated his civlian status to "Neigborhood Watch" "commander".
9-11 told him to "back off", which he didn't. He stalked Trayvon.
The poor kid probably got pissed off and tried to smack Mr. Z down, not knowing he had a 9mm.
Involentary manslaughter...12 years, out in 6 or 8. The Bros. will be gunnin' for him in jail, to be sure.

By: Loner on 4/12/12 at 4:47

I agree, ask01, these are "make my day" laws, not"stand yer ground" laws....any racist gun-owner who wants to go on a Negro hunt can legally do so in these "stand yer ground" states...that has to be the ultimate big game hunt....bagging a saggy pants punk must give the shooter lots of bagging rights down at the local gin mill.....quite the trophy kill....if they could, these big game hunters would have the heads of these punks stuffed and mounted...as wall decorations.

By: Loner on 4/12/12 at 4:56

Typo: "bagging rights" s/h/b/ "bragging rights"....need meds.

I don't think that Zimmerman will be convicted of any crime...he has an excellent legal team now and the money is pouring in...he's gonna walk....after everybody has milked the thing to death.

If Zimmerman is granted bail, the trial will be very, very slow....if denied bail, justice will shift into a higher gear and the trial will be quicker and sooner.

By: dargent7 on 4/12/12 at 5:00

I think Benard Goetz "walked" too. Shot or killed 4 on the NY subway back in the 70's. Think his life was ever the same?
Zimmerman will be paranoid and hounded for the rest of his life.
But, he took a human life. It's the least he can pay.

By: gdiafante on 4/12/12 at 5:11

The issue now, with the proliferation of this case in the media, social media,etc., can he get a fair trial?

By: Loner on 4/12/12 at 5:11

If Zimmerman wasn't nuts before he snuffed Trayvon, he certainly will be once the dust has settled...maybe he'll save the taxpayers money and take a swan dive off of a cell tower? "Jump, George, jump!"

By: govskeptic on 4/12/12 at 5:14

I suspect the 2nd degree murder charge is an overcharge in order for
the Prosecution to maybe get a plea deal on one of the Manslaughter
charges that are included. Rev Al's National Something or Another
Network has gotten about all the publicity they can drain out of this
case and will take his msnbc cameras elsewhere! The disputable
facts in this case could lead to several hung juries if taken to a full
court trials!

By: budlight on 4/12/12 at 5:14

I think that justice is finally being served in this Trayvon Martin case. We can attribute this to the online social media, stated by Loner.

Yeah Loner; I definitely wanted justice served up on a platter by the Black Panthers, obama, Eric Holder, the liberal media and a bunch of media whores like Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson. Speaking of Al Sharpton, where's Tawana Brawley today? Hmmmm. And Speaking of Sharpton, where's the Duke LaCross Team today?

Our halls of justice are full of Al Sharpton's. Let me ask you this: When is the last time there was a black on black crime that got this media attention. On some weekends in Chicago, there are over 40 murders of black people committed by black people. WHERE'S THE MEDIA OR AL SHARPTON OR JESSIE JACKSON WHEN A COMMUNITY REALLY NEEDS THEM.

By: dargent7 on 4/12/12 at 5:15

Since there were no "eye-witnesses", just "ear witnesses", cell-phone conversations, residents on balconys, "hearing screams, probably not.
But, he shot someone in the chest. Intent to kill. I'd err on the side of "jail time".

By: dargent7 on 4/12/12 at 5:17

Bud: Don't forget. Zimmerman isn't, "white"or caucasian. He's 1/2 Hispanic.
It's like the Obama dilemma. He's 1/2 black, 1/2 white. Which one?

By: gdiafante on 4/12/12 at 5:18

You're such a classy lady, Bud. Nevermind that an unarmed youth was killed...

You're the reason why Southerners are seen as stupid and racist.

By: dargent7 on 4/12/12 at 5:33

By the way...any hockey fans out there....I'd strongy advise you to attend tomorrows game.
The Red Wings are pissed off. The late hit to our (my) center by Weber did them in.
You like fights? Cheap shots? Retaliation? No, not the war in Iraq, I'm talking hockey.
It will be a "grudge match", Detroit style. Be there.
"My High School was tough...after they sacked the quarterback they went after his family.." Rodney Dangerfield.

By: Loner on 4/12/12 at 5:37

Yep, GD, Bud has class....she looked just like Miss December, 1966....nowadays, she has that racist rant down pretty good...sounded like Michael Savage's last hate show...regurgitated. I was hoping she'd blow away....she hasn't soiled the comment boards lately, like she used to do...how many usernames is she using these days?

Actually she is a faster and better typist than Yogi the Bear and the right-wing-nuts are no longer frequenting this site, as they once did. Maybe we should make nice to Bud....we need a comedic foil.....and a punching bag....poor Ben Dover got ganged up on yesterday....Hydra-style.

By: Loner on 4/12/12 at 5:42

The Buffalo Sabres had a lousy season....ended up in 9th place...folks around here are not pleased with their performance....they pucked up, royally. Changes will be made.

I wish the Preds well....after all, I am an honorary Nashvillian....as declared by Ben Dover and others....that's all the credentials I need...GO PREDS!!!

By: Loner on 4/12/12 at 5:50

Actually, the on-ice brawling is not as bad (good?) these days as it was 20 years ago. It always amazed me how the officials were so impotent in hockey in this regard, as compared with football.... NHL players play in a lot more games in a season than NFL players do....both games are contact sports....I concluded that hockey players are much tougher than football players...any Amens on that?

By: yogiman on 4/12/12 at 6:00

No one knows of the situation except George Zimmerman and questions are being answered when you don't know the question. Why is the "news media" constantly showing Trayvon as a 12 year old child and Zimmerman in a jailer's uniform?

Why did the "media" air the 911 comments short of what they actually were? They were caught when it was aired that Zimmermen told the officer he had lost Trayvon and was going back to his SUV. That was when Trayvon approached him and knocked him down and began smashing his head on the pavement.

How many photos did you see of the boy being a 17 year old young man.

Oh, and by the way: how much have you read from the "news media" about the young 20 year old black man robbing and beating an elderly couple in Tulsa then raping the woman which caused her death?

What would have been the episode if Trayvon was white and Zimmerman was black?

The biggest question is; why is this case considered such an event?

By: Loner on 4/12/12 at 6:04

Bud's buddy is here...the usurpologist....the day is starting out on a rather sour note....we may have to change the subject sooner rather than later?

By: Rasputin72 on 4/12/12 at 6:05

I feel very strongly that Zimmerman was the instigator of this confrontation. I can see easily a case for involuntary manslaughter. It is difficult for me to see anything beyond that.

In this case we have nothing more than the political pressure of the black community to bring about this arrest. Now we willl have a trial that will be determined by the selection of the jury. Once we know how many blacks are on the jury we can determine the degree of guilt.

By: dargent7 on 4/12/12 at 6:08

Loner: The NFL Saints had a cash pay out /bounty on certain players.
Hockey has "Enforcers" who will kick anyone's ass who strays.
eg., Wayne Gretsky was a talented, skinny sissy. Anyone who tried to hurt him was killed, immediately.
The late hit from Weber, after the whistle, will bring "game-on", tomorrow.
Hockey players aren't known for their intelligence.

By: yogiman on 4/12/12 at 6:09

Loner,

I think the common sense people; Budlight, BenDover and the few others on this site are pretty much like me when you and your cohorts make your "brilliant" idiotic comments. We just consider the source and ignore it. We want the facts, man, just the facts.

By: gdiafante on 4/12/12 at 6:11

Darge, did you happen to see the cheap shot Zetterberg laid on Weber first? This is hockey, let 'em fight. I'm sure Zetts won't mind facial reconstruction surgery in the offseason...

By: dargent7 on 4/12/12 at 6:19

gD: Slamming a guys head, twice, into the glass or boards, isn't sport.
The Red Wings will come out in force, Friday. They're from Detroit after all.
Collectively, as a group, we don't give a shit about anything.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/12/12 at 6:22

Now our two racist yogi and bud keep making this Martin and Zimmerman a racist issue. Yesterday yogi wanted to know why that a Tulsa, OK case has not make the national news. Last week budlight in the head brought to our attention that the liberal ABC showed enhanced photos where Zimmerman had cuts on his head that proved that, but fail to say that the enhanced that there was no sign of a broken nose or that there was no signs of grass or sidewalk scuffle on his clothes.

The Martin murder case was an attempted to be swept under the rugand the one in Tulsa,Ok was not. Now our two trolls are still showing their white racist mindset by continuing by blaming this on Martin for being black and the media for reporting the cover up.

By: Loner on 4/12/12 at 6:22

Do you have Tim Horton's coffee & pastry joints in TN? We have them here...Tim Horton was a famous NHL player and entrepreneur ...tragically, he was killed in a car crash...but his name lives on around here....venerated....great coffee and a nice family atmosphere there.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/12/12 at 6:24

If I was Ben I would take that as in insult for yogi to say that he was like yogi.

By: Kosh III on 4/12/12 at 6:27

"The "Hoodie" represents gang-bangers."

Nonsense, it's become just a fashion statement like the saggy pants or bell bottom pants or padded shoulders on women's blouses/dresses. Teens in particular are sensitive to peer-pressure to conform to the popular styles.

By: treehugger7 on 4/12/12 at 6:30

As a former floridian, I can tell you that the stand your ground law came about as a way for residents to protect their HOMES after hurricanes. I haven't lived there in quite a while, so I do not know how that reasonable law turned into being able to gun someone down who has done nothing wrong. I do know that Sanford is not a nice place any more. There had been rampant racism there in the sixties, and apparently to this day. You couldn't pay me enough to live in the state these days, especially with all the repubs running the state.

By: budlight on 4/12/12 at 6:30

gdiafante on 4/12/12 at 6:18
You're such a classy lady, Bud. Nevermind that an unarmed youth was killed...

You're the reason why Southerners are seen as stupid and racist.

The "youth" is actually a thug with gold teeth and tattoos but his mommie, who probably wants a civil action law suit so she can get rich on this, is trying to keep that from the media. The media is pandering to the Tawana Brawley supporters. Speaking of Tawana, I wonder where she is today? And I bet you guys were duped by her cries of rape by all those mean white men? And the Duke LaCross Players who committed their crimes? Tsk! Tsk!

Racism is alive and well in the north as well as the south. However, it is not the people you think who are the racists. It is the man in your mirror, Loner.

One more time: How is Zimmerman guilty when a witness stated that Travon was "on top" of Zimmerman pounding his head? And then the media distorted the reports and photos and FIRED ONE OF TH EIR EMPLOYEES OVER IT AFTER THEY HAD TO APOLOGIZE FOR IT?

Oh, but that question was too logical for you hate mongers.

"Rasputin72 on 4/12/12 at 7:05
I feel very strongly that Zimmerman was the instigator of this confrontation. I can see easily a case for involuntary manslaughter. It is difficult for me to see anything beyond that. In this case we have nothing more than the political pressure of the black community to bring about this arrest. Now we willl have a trial that will be determined by the selection of the jury. Once we know how many blacks are on the jury we can determine the degree of guilt."

I see your point Rasputin72. The only problem for me is if a witness saw Travon on top of Zimmerman pounding his head in the pavement, it would still seem to be self defense to me. And the jury will be a difficult one to select. I'm sure that will be a nightmare for both the defense and the prosecution.

Also, the special prosecutor spent a l - o - n - g time yesterday spelling out her duty to the victim and the accused, almost like she was trying to "keep the calm". I will guarantee you that if OJ Simpson was guilty, LA would have been burned down. Look out Florida.

This case has given the white house, aka, the O'Drama team another reason to become interlopers in state government issues. First it was the women's ball team and the nappy head comment; then it was the beligerent professor in boston and then it was . . . . . and so on and so on. O'Drama is always looking for a sound bit opportunity and an opportunity to interject himself where he does not belong. And he needs to keep his focus on the middle east and not the southeast or north east!

And thanks for all the wonderful compliments. I see after a long vacation, I have returned to most of the same hostile, judgemental, left wing, stinkos who think that only THEY are right.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/12/12 at 6:30

By: yogiman on 4/12/12 at 7:00

The biggest question is; why is this case considered such an event?

Why, because it would have gone unnoticed if not for Martins parents and friends pushing for the truth. Only a racist would ask this question.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/12/12 at 6:38

By: budlight on 4/12/12 at 7:30

I see your point Rasputin72. The only problem for me is if a witness saw Travon on top of Zimmerman pounding his head in the pavement, it would still seem to be self defense to me. And the jury will be a difficult one to select. I'm sure that will be a nightmare for both the defense and the prosecution.

The key word in bud’s post if “IF” It seems that the troll monkey is wishing for the tooth fairy comes up with a witness.

By: gdiafante on 4/12/12 at 6:40

The "youth" is actually a thug with gold teeth and tattoos...

Who was doing nothing illegal.

So, bud, because someone has gold teeth and tattoos they should be killed? Do you not see the complete idiocy of your argument? Jeez, what rock did your crawl out from?

By: budlight on 4/12/12 at 6:40

Treehugger, it makes sense now that you explain why the Stand Your Ground law was put into place. Of course, I guess the smarty pants on this site would say that if your space is upheveled by a hurricane or tornado, that it's fair game to robbers since the walls have come tumbling down.

Hey Yogi. Nice to see your name in print.

And Capt. I do not think Martin being black had anything to do with the situation, but you keep on with your HOLIER THAN THOU thoughts.

By: budlight on 4/12/12 at 6:44

Captain Nemo on 4/12/12 at 7:38
By: budlight on 4/12/12 at 7:30

I see your point Rasputin72. The only problem for me is if a witness saw Travon on top of Zimmerman pounding his head in the pavement, it would still seem to be self defense to me. And the jury will be a difficult one to select. I'm sure that will be a nightmare for both the defense and the prosecution.

The key word in bud’s post if “IF” It seems that the troll monkey is wishing for the tooth fairy comes up with a witness.

CAPT, you dimwit, there was already a report about THE WITNESS, you nimble brained, racist, troll monkey. That "if" was not if, as in maybe. It was if as in "since a witness has ALREADY COME FORWARD" or did your nimble mind miss that part of the story cause it's too convenient for you to skip over the REAL TRUTH?

By: Captain Nemo on 4/12/12 at 6:44

Zimmerman brought this to a head by not doing what he was supposed to have done, reported this to the police a then let the professionals do their work. Our racist trolls keep forgetting that it was Zimmerman with the gun and maybe with that gun, he was playing John Wayne.

By: dargent7 on 4/12/12 at 6:48

Bud: LA did burn down when the cops who beat Rodney King were let go, free.
The whole downtown area was vandalized and in flames.
Zimmerman was just arrested. He's obvously not "white".
This is the 3rd picture of him the media is showing.
He looks Hispanic, like Obama looks, black.

By: budlight on 4/12/12 at 6:50

gdiafante on 4/12/12 at 7:40
The "youth" is actually a thug with gold teeth and tattoos... Who was doing nothing illegal. So, bud, because someone has gold teeth and tattoos they should be killed? Do you not see the complete idiocy of your argument? Jeez, what rock did your crawl out from?

Do you know for a FACT that he was doing nothing illegal? Were you there? Do you not see the complete idiocy of your statement. YOU WERE NOT THERE.

If someone is white and Hispanic and they believe they are being threatened and attacked, do you think they should be guilty just "because"? Do you not see the complete idiocy of your argument?

Jeez, what rock did you crawl out from? GGGGGGG! I definitely do not want to be given my trial and verdict in the media as Zimmerman has been tried and convicted. AND if little innocent Travon had committed a crime, would you hatemongers want him to be "innocent until proven guilty"? Do you not see what complete idiots you ALL are for wanting Zimmerman tried and convicted by the media and ALL YOU MONDAY MORNING QUARTERBACKS? (OH, AND who have no law degrees, police badges, black robes as judges or moral ethics).

By: dargent7 on 4/12/12 at 6:50

Zimmerman was taken into custody, interviewed for 7 hours, and the cops let him GO.

By: gdiafante on 4/12/12 at 6:53

I love it when racists get in a tizzy...lol

By: budlight on 4/12/12 at 6:58

: dargent7 on 4/12/12 at 7:48
Bud: LA did burn down when the cops who beat Rodney King were let go, free.
The whole downtown area was vandalized and in flames.
Zimmerman was just arrested. He's obvously not "white".
This is the 3rd picture of him the media is showing.
He looks Hispanic, like Obama looks, black.

D7, those race rioters did a wonderful thing, now didn't they? (sarcastic) What about that innocent truck driver they dragged out of his 18 wheeler and beat almost to death and ruined his life? Justified? I wasn't talking about the drunk Rodney King, I was talking about OJ, and his case. Did he kill his wife and that man? Probably. Did he pay for it? Probably not. Did he rob at gunpoint the guy who took his sports trinkets? Must have! He's in jail for it! Finally!

Zimmerman is spoken of as a White/Hispanic. LOL! When do you recall anyone ever labeling someone a White-Hispanic? NEVER. And Obama is White to me. He spent 9 months in the womb of, and being birthed by a white woman. To me, he is white. AND quite frankly since his is such an abortionist, I kind of wish his mother had been one also. OH! That stings even when I think about it. But it does bring up one question: All you people who think abortion is so grand, did your own mother believe in abortion? If not, why not? Maybe she wishes she had after she sees what you all have become. Oh, that stings!

By: Captain Nemo on 4/12/12 at 7:01

Fox News has interview a witness and I wonder why Zimmerman’s attorneys have not mention this before?

The Simpsons Takes Swipe At Fox News: ‘Not Racist But #1 With Racists’
http://www.mediaite.com/online/the-simpsons-hit-fox-news-not-racist-but-1-with-racists/

Karl Rove’s (Repeated) LIE About President Obama’s Loan to Brazil

Mike Huckabee’s Lie about President Obama Being a Foreign Student

http://foxnewslies.net/

By: budlight on 4/12/12 at 7:08

dargent7 on 4/12/12 at 7:50
Zimmerman was taken into custody, interviewed for 7 hours, and the cops let him GO.

Because why? Why did they let him go? Because they are stupid? Because they are racists? Or because they found no valid reason under the law to hold him? HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM! Let me see. HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM! DUH! Looks like the "no reason under the law to hold him" stands up.

Now,all the pressure from the white house, the media will probably cause this thing to drag out longer than the OJ debacle. It's fodder for the small minded who don't have anything better to do than stir up trouble. Like I said, Odrama is an interloper. He needs to deal with the middle east, not the south or north east!

By: Captain Nemo on 4/12/12 at 7:09

By: budlight on 4/12/12 at 7:50

Do you know for a FACT that he was doing nothing illegal? Were you there? Do you not see the complete idiocy of your statement. YOU WERE NOT THERE.
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I wonder if this troll monkey was in a tree at the time of the shooting. If so she should swing down and get her mug on TV and clarified this all up today.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/12/12 at 7:10

Be very aware of the dangers of blacks armed with Skittles.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/12/12 at 7:12

This is going to be another OJ and the black SOB will get away with murder.

B. Itch

By: yogiman on 4/12/12 at 7:13

Budlight,

Isn't it funny how we get to be called racists by all of these idiots whose only reason for voting for Barry Soetoto (a.k.a Barack Obama) was because he is black? Other than racism, why did they vote for him when they don't even absolutely know his name?

And isn't it a racist's point when some of them have recently stated they are going to vote for his re-election even though they still haven't learned who he is?

I call them idiotic racists.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/12/12 at 7:16

I Can Prove OJ Innocent: Private Eye
http://www.newser.com/story/143190/i-can-prove-oj-innocent-private-eye.html

By: dargent7 on 4/12/12 at 7:17

Obama's "white"? Are you kiddin' me?
Zimmerman just shot a person, "in cold blood". Get it?
Recombinant DNA is screwing this society up. Turning it upside down.
Maybe God's having a good laugh over our inter-breeding and mixed races.
In my day, it was a hailstorm if a Catholic dated a Jew.
Nowadays, it's never, 100% anything.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/12/12 at 7:18

That just show you what kind of a racist idiot you are yogi. I voted for the WHITE OBAMA. LOL