Up for Debate: Zimmerman charged in Martin's death

Thursday, April 12, 2012 at 1:53am

A special prosecutor announced Wednesday that George Zimmerman had been charged with second-degree murder in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin. What do you think about the decision to prosecute now, after the late February incident?

134 Comments on this post:

By: slacker on 4/12/12 at 2:59

Ben, there was a different mindset in the country at that time. There hasn't been a divide like this since prior to the Civil war.

By: brrrrk on 4/12/12 at 3:00

Which party best fits these principles?

1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism.
2. Disdain for the importance of human rights.
3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause.
4. The supremacy of the military/avid militarism.
5. Rampant sexism.
6. A controlled mass media.
7. Obsession with national security.
8. Religion and ruling elite tied together.
9. Power of corporations protected.
10. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated.
11. Disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts.
12. Obsession with crime and punishment.
13. Rampant cronyism and corruption.
14. Fraudulent elections.

Just curious........

By: slacker on 4/12/12 at 3:04

Fraudulent elections brrrrk? My guess the Acorn party.

By: brrrrk on 4/12/12 at 3:06

slacker said

"Fraudulent elections brrrrk? My guess the Acorn party."

Seriously? Have you paid any attention to the Republican primaries this year?

By: BenDover on 4/12/12 at 3:17

Cronyism? I'm surprised Obama doesn't wear Goldman Sacs, GE, and SEIU patches on his dinner jacket like a NASCAR driver.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jan/26/obamas-crony-capitalism-667847839/

By: slacker on 4/12/12 at 3:24

The Zimmerman trial will have an effect, if it goes down before the election.

By: gdiafante on 4/12/12 at 3:30

Fraudulent election is code word for sour grapes. Ben, unfortunately Cronyism is a part of politics and now completely legal thanks to the USSC. See sour grapes reference.

By: brrrrk on 4/12/12 at 3:38

BenDover said

"Cronyism? I'm surprised Obama doesn't wear Goldman Sacs, GE, and SEIU patches on his dinner jacket like a NASCAR driver."

This came from opensecrets.com, a non-partisan organization that just tracks the money going to political candidates.... with no editorialism

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/head2head.php?cycle=2012

Top Contributors

Barack Obama (D)
1 Microsoft Corp $289,088
2 DLA Piper $217,582
3 Google Inc $167,565
4 University of California $157,092
5 Harvard University $155,808

Mitt Romney (R)
1 Goldman Sachs $535,680
2 JPMorgan Chase & Co $375,650
3 Morgan Stanley $323,800
4 Credit Suisse Group $299,160
5 Citigroup Inc $282,765

By: brrrrk on 4/12/12 at 3:41

Oh, and by the way Ben, the forth contributor on Romneys list of top donor is a Swiss company..... what do you think of that? Should foreign companies be able to influence America elections?

By: slacker on 4/12/12 at 3:49

brrrrk, ABBA?

By: brrrrk on 4/12/12 at 3:52

slacker said

"brrrrk, ABBA?"

Uhhh.... hate to tell you this, but ABBA is a Swedish group.

By: BenDover on 4/12/12 at 4:02

Obama hasn't started twisting arms yet. This is how 2008 looked:

University of California $1,648,685
Goldman Sachs $1,013,091
Harvard University $878,164
Microsoft Corp $852,167
Google Inc $814,540
JPMorgan Chase & Co $808,799
Citigroup Inc $736,771
Time Warner $624,618
Sidley Austin LLP $600,298
Stanford University $595,716
National Amusements Inc $563,798
WilmerHale LLP $550,668
Columbia University $547,852
Skadden, Arps et al $543,539
UBS AG $532,674
IBM Corp $532,372
General Electric $529,855
US Government $513,308
Morgan Stanley $512,232
Latham & Watkins $503,295

By: slacker on 4/12/12 at 4:08

Ben, you left out Putin. He's sending 10,000000 rubles, and a 8x10 glossy of himself without a shirt. Getting prepared for the visit after the re-election.

By: BenDover on 4/12/12 at 4:09

Here's McCain's top contributors (note the slight gap problem compared to Obama dollars):

Merrill Lynch $375,895
JPMorgan Chase & Co $343,505
Citigroup Inc $338,202
Morgan Stanley $271,902
Goldman Sachs $240,295
US Government $202,929
AT&T Inc $201,938
Wachovia Corp $199,663
UBS AG $187,493
Credit Suisse Group $184,153
PricewaterhouseCoopers $169,400
US Army $169,020
Bank of America $167,826
Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher $160,346
Blank Rome LLP $155,226
Greenberg Traurig LLP $147,437
US Dept of Defense $146,356
FedEx Corp $131,974
Lehman Brothers $126,557
Ernst & Young $114,506

By: brrrrk on 4/12/12 at 4:10

BenDover said

"Obama hasn't started twisting arms yet. This is how 2008 looked:"

Ben, living in the past.... well you be sure to let me know when your prediction comes true, won't you? Meanwhile, the article you previously referenced was hogwash and you were WRONG.

By: BenDover on 4/12/12 at 4:11

8 X 10 like this one Slack?

http://www.planetdan.net/pics/misc/ricky_dan_schneider.jpg

"Christ-mas... Christ-mas... "

By: slacker on 4/12/12 at 4:15

lol

By: brrrrk on 4/12/12 at 4:17

And Ben, in reference to your statement yesterday regarding Richard Dawkins (which I'll quote)

"Even Richard Dawkins gives a creator a 1 in 70 shot. That should be at least enough to allow a little thought provoking discussion among high school kids rather than ramming incomplete and unproven Darwin Dogma down their throats."

I give you this....

Even prominent creationists like Henry Morris and Duane Gish (who pretty much created scientific creationism) admit that creationism is not scientific in creationist literature. In Biblical Cosmology and Modern Science, Morris, while discussing catastrophism and the Noachic flood, says:

“We cannot verify this experimentally, of course, any more than any of the various other theories of catastrophism, but we do not need experimental verification; God has recorded it in His Word, and that should be sufficient.”

This is a statement of religious faith, not a statement of scientific discovery.

Even more revealing, Duane Gish in Evolution? The Fossils Say No! writes:

“We do not know how the Creator created, [or] what processes He used, for He used processes which are not now operating anywhere in the natural universe. This is why we refer to creation as special creation. We cannot discover by scientific investigation anything about the creative processes used by the Creator.”

By: BenDover on 4/12/12 at 4:28

Well... since Tax Cheat Timmy Geithner isn't Obama's Goldman Sacs bag-man anymore maybe that's where the fundraising problems are arising.

They will be able to make it up on anonymous credit card donations again this time though, right?

By: slacker on 4/12/12 at 4:30

Not to worry, they'll be plenty of money on both sides.

By: brrrrk on 4/12/12 at 4:30

Ben, All you really proved with your two lists (again from 2008) is that Obama kicked McCain's ass and that no one (even the usual heavy hitters for the GOP) had any confidence in McCain winning.

By: BenDover on 4/12/12 at 4:33

Geeezzz brrrrk... are you finally catching up to my point from yesterday? What is your criticism of my position except to shout, "See!"... No, I don't see how that applies to anything I was saying yesterday.

Christians have always said their belief is based on faith. It is the atheist who refuses to admit that it requires a leap of faith (a very large one in my opinion) to believe that everything just popped into existence by chance.

By: brrrrk on 4/12/12 at 4:38

BenDover said

"Geeezzz brrrrk... are you finally catching up to my point from yesterday? What is your criticism of my position except to shout, "See!"... No, I don't see how that applies to anything I was saying yesterday.

Christians have always said their belief is based on faith. It is the atheist who refuses to admit that it requires a leap of faith (a very large one in my opinion) to believe that everything just popped into existence by chance."

Ah... so you admit then that Creationism is not science and therefore should not be introduced into the school system as such?

By: BenDover on 4/12/12 at 4:49

Neither I nor the bill we were discussing does that brrrk. You're thicker than yogi sometimes.

By: BenDover on 4/12/12 at 4:54

I think it's funny that the current incumbent... the guy who outspent McCain by more than 2 to 1 in his election bid in 2008 (and more than 4 to 1 in the last months) is crying 'foul' and 'boo hoo' about campaign contributions rules.

Cry me a freakin' river.

By: brrrrk on 4/12/12 at 4:55

BenDover said

"Neither I nor the bill we were discussing does that brrrk. You're thicker than yogi sometimes."

Ok, then you tell me....... what alternative "scientific" theories do you think they're referring to if not religious based? Give me just one example. I'll bet you can't. You're either being naive or intellectually disingenuous.

By: brrrrk on 4/12/12 at 4:58

April 12, 2012

Big business has hijacked TN government

By Mary Mancini

The first question asked whenever a bill is introduced at the state legislature is, “is it good for business?” But let’s be clear, by “business” legislators don’t mean the general store on Main Street. They mean large corporations backed by the 21st-century robber barons of Wall Street.

We’ve heard the rationale, especially during last year’s fight for Gov. Bill Haslam’s “Civil Justice Act of 2011,” which placed caps on damage awards in civil lawsuits. They said, “We have to cater to large corporations because they create jobs.” In fact, during the debate, we were promised 577 jobs per week. Yet here it is almost a year later, and where are these jobs? And why are Republicans crafting more public policy that continues to prioritize large corporations over middle-class and working families?

One new proposal would allow corporate defense attorneys to meet with and interview your doctor in secret (34 states prohibit this kind of secret, one-way communication). Another would make it impossible to hold corporations accountable for the negligent and harmful acts of their employees.

If corporations know they can violate doctor-patient privilege at will and can’t be held responsible for the catastrophic actions of their employees, then they will be less likely to enforce conscientious hiring policies, provide appropriate training and education, and promote a culture of safety. Is this looking out for the people of Tennessee?

But it’s not just our right to justice served that is being ignored by the Republican majority.

Tennessee families are working harder, getting paid less, and falling behind our parents’ generation, and yet Republicans want to dismantle campaign finance reforms by allowing corporations to make secret cash campaign contributions in the critical 10 days before an election.

Corporations have shipped jobs overseas, leaving breadwinners jobless and rural Tennessee communities decimated, and yet they want to penalize honest, hard-working Tennesseans who are simply trying to feed their families by drug-testing them if they receive benefits from the state. And to add insult to injury, requiring them to pay for the expensive test themselves.

Under the leadership of Republican Lt. Gov. Ron Ramsey, they have made defending the estate tax a major priority, citing a recent Forbes article that states that Tennessee is “not a good place to die.”

If Ramsey and the rest were working for all Tennesseans instead of corporate CEOs, they’d correct this and other misguided legislative priorities and start to address our concerns.

We elected our legislators to write rules that boost the well-being and productivity of hard-working Tennesseans and encourage businesses that innovate and take care of their workers. We did not send them to Nashville to increase corporate influence in our political process and allow mythic job creators to get away with egregious and destructive behavior.

The issue has never been the size of our government, but who our government works for. Someone should be watching out for us, and if not the governing body that we hired, then who?

By: BenDover on 4/12/12 at 5:01

Have a nice night guys.... gonna stay down-town tonight. Wife says the new riverfront park has the fountains on so i think I'm going to go sit on the balcony, smoke a cigar, sip on some Crown and maybe toss a few water balloons at Michelle O's caravan as they pass by on their way to the Airport. (just kidding NSA --- it's a joke!!!)

Y'all have a great night.

By: slacker on 4/12/12 at 5:15

Good night Ben.

By: slacker on 4/12/12 at 5:22

ok brrrrk...back to ABBA

By: BenDover on 4/12/12 at 6:41

Dang... Michelle's tea party is Tuesday not tonight.

By: Captain Nemo on 4/12/12 at 6:54

Backman or Obama?

Good night Ben.

By: parnell3rd on 4/12/12 at 10:35

How come the NCP is not interested in the citizens of Nashville who have been victim's of violent crime?
Convicted Felon Erroll Armstrong Murders Robert Mitchell with a handgun.
Convicted Felon given 10 years probation for shooting another man who lived, thank GOD. Where is the justice?
The NCP does not identify the victim's race?
Where is the outrage? Will Jesse Jackson and Al Sharton come to Nashville? Will the President say that Robert Mitchell looked like his Dad?
How come you libs are not screaming the fact that this man had a gun?
Does it not fit your anti gun agenda?
Hypocrisy!

By: Ask01 on 4/13/12 at 5:37

This is truly off topic, but I feel compelled to point out to those fearful of the Democatic Party taking complete power, taxing the very wealthy and corporations at a rate commensurate with earnings, forcing job creation, and closing the pay disparity gap between upper management and hourly workers a crucial point.

The Republican Party and their supporters have had the opportunity to self regulate and spread the good fortune and squandered the chance.

Now, many former middle class and those fearful of becoming such are realizing the Party has no use for them or concern for their situation and will be voting Democrat forself preservation.

To twist a quote attributed to President, then Governor Reagan, when asked about a party affiliation switch, "I didn't leave the Republican Party, they left me."

Most ironic, they did this to themselves.