Letter to the Editor

Monday, November 29, 2010 at 9:00pm

In most cases, it is the driver’s fault when a pedestrian is killed. Whether [citizens] like it or not, the law says you must stop for a pedestrian in a crosswalk. Period.

At [the pedestrian crosswalk on Broadway and near 12th Avenue], I'm sure people look before crossing the street. The problem is most cars through there do not drive 30. So I'd say it's difficult for a pedestrian sometimes to judge how far away a car is since most people don't drive the correct speed.

There's plenty of visibility there for [motorists] to see any pedestrians that walk out into the road and stop accordingly. If you get rear ended, that's the other driver's fault, not the pedestrian's.

 

Posted by “delltechkid” 

Filed under: City Voices

39 Comments on this post:

By: dargent7 on 11/30/10 at 5:56

And I cannot count the number of these "pedestrians" I've seen NOT use the cross-walk, walk into traffic, stand in the middle waiting for clearance, etc.
It's a two way street.

By: HokeyPokey on 11/30/10 at 7:10

It really doesn't matter, pedestrians ALWAYS have the right-of-way over automobiles.

HP

By: bfra on 11/30/10 at 7:28

Key words in TN - the driver of a vehicle shall yield the right-of-way, slowing ... right-of-way to a pedestrian crossing the roadway within a "marked walkway".
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I don't agree with that to some extent, but in TN pedestrians do not ALWAYS have the right of way.

By: HokeyPokey on 11/30/10 at 7:49

So, your grandmother's car stalls in the middle of 440, and she can't move it. She gets out and tries to get off the road but is flattened by a Semi that has the "right of way?"

Really?

HP

By: dargent7 on 11/30/10 at 8:08

HP: Your analogy is way off. If grandma wants to get out of a vehicle stalled on a freeway and the semi traveling 70mph cannot stop in time, there's no "right of way" involved.
And, people who cross into traffic, stand in the middle when it's dark, are in the wrong.
All modern traffic crossings have a "count-down" meter to let the ped. know how much time they have to get across.
Some still are walking/ trotting/ running when it shows "0".

By: HokeyPokey on 11/30/10 at 8:21

well, they should wear targets on their back to make it easier for we law-abiding citizens, eh?

Anyway, they're probably homeless, or unemployed, or illegals, or hipsters in which case nobody will much miss them.

By: house_of_pain on 11/30/10 at 8:45

Most pedestrians around the Vandy area completely ignore the rules, as well as everything going on around them.
Don't even get me started on the morons that jog in the street.

By: budlight on 11/30/10 at 9:03

Pedestrians do always have the right of way, but the pedestrians driving the cars don't know that. Crosswalk at Demonbreun near Music Row is dangerous; drivers never slow down.

By: girliegirl on 11/30/10 at 9:24

People seem to forget that when you're trotting across a 4-lane highway, cars win when there's a human body/vehicle entanglement.

By: WayneR on 11/30/10 at 9:38

It never ceases to amaze me how many incredibly foolish people find it acceptable to argue their "right-of-way" from a hospital bed.

Phiber Optik

By: dargent7 on 11/30/10 at 10:07

HP: So, in your "grandma" defense comparison, she's a "homeless hipster", as well as "illegal"?
You just gotta be a Republican who voted for Bush. Twice.

By: HokeyPokey on 11/30/10 at 10:13

@dargent in 4 different states, with transportation provided by the GOP!

By: bfra on 11/30/10 at 10:41

As HP, girlie & bud ambled out into the street (not at a crosswalk), the last thing heard, before the, legally moving vehicle plowed them over, "We are a pedestrians, we have the right of way".

By: dargent7 on 11/30/10 at 10:53

bfra: Agreed.
Whenever I see one or two morons standing in the middle of Charlotte Ave. where traffic is 40mph, (and no center turn lane) I wonder:
1) On they on suicide watch?
2) Do they see ME?
3) Are they going to make a run for it?
All this while I'm TEXTING, shaving, cueing up Lady Gaga's latest hit, and reading the morning paper.

By: bfra on 11/30/10 at 11:04

d7 - And never let it be said that, either of the three, bothered to look up the law about crossing the streets, before commenting.

By: bfra on 11/30/10 at 11:07

CA does have a law, that pedestrians have the right of way. Also, unless you can see the bumper of the car in front of you, while stopped in traffic, you are too close. Some other states may have these laws, but not TN.

By: dargent7 on 11/30/10 at 11:56

I think old people are notorious for jumping the curb and mowing people down ON the sidewalk.
Also, running into a fast food joint. With their car.
State fairs are popular with the eldery. Not for the cotton candy, but to lose control and run their cars into tents and picnic areas.
So much for the "right of way" designation.

By: gdiafante on 11/30/10 at 12:18

Really? You're really arguing about this? Slow news day? lol

By: dargent7 on 11/30/10 at 12:21

Yes Gd, cream always rises to the top.
Want to argue Fennigan's fine?
How about the WikiLeaks b.s.?
Pick a topic.

By: gdiafante on 11/30/10 at 12:27

Finnegan should have sat a game or two. This isn't his first offense. And he's a punk (a fine example for the kids, huh?)

Johnson didn't sit because the NFL wants him in the Thursday game. Politics in professional sports...

Surely you jest! (no, and don't call me Shirley - RIP Leslie)

By: brrrrk on 11/30/10 at 1:00

One of my pet peeves are pedestrians who abuse the rights of pedestrians. When I'm walking in a parking lot (or anywhere that I share space with drivers) I try to make sure to get out of the way whenever possible. Hell, I might even run a bit just to be considerate. But I find that most people/pedestrians around here seem to be completely oblivious to cars around them. And if you expect someone to hustle a bit to get out of the way.... well you can just forget about that!

By: gdiafante on 11/30/10 at 1:05

I find that too, bfra. I also find drivers who would rather hit someone than slow down in crowded parking lots.

Overall, people are less considerate of others.

By: brrrrk on 11/30/10 at 1:25

dargent7 said

"All modern traffic crossings have a "count-down" meter to let the ped. know how much time they have to get across.
Some still are walking/ trotting/ running when it shows "0"."

And you're surprised by this? In a state where no one seems to know what a stop sign is, or a red light, or turn signals? Darg, you're simply expecting way too much!

Which reminds me, I saw the perfect bumper sticker this week. I said, "If you can't operate the turn signal, what makes you think you can operate the rest of the car?"

By: dustywood on 11/30/10 at 1:45

Perhaps there should be a license to walk? Too many wait till the light turns red, and they have the red hand lit up .....THIS IS WHEN they decide to cross the road. Duh?! What about walking on the wrong side of the road ( you are to be facing traffic) and wearing ALL BLACK including a hoodie. Maybe I can see your shoes, but I can not see you. Put reflective tape on your clothes, wear white...a lot of it, and act responsible when sharing the road with cars. A safety yellow/reflective vest costs about $15. Wear it. You can be seen for several feet. A LED light would be nice, too. Cars have head lights and tail lights. A walker/runner should have at least something so we can see them. It does work. I use one now when out on the road.

By: brrrrk on 11/30/10 at 1:52

dustywood, as I told darg, you're simply expecting too much!

Don't get me wrong, I understand the logic behind protecting the pedestrian, but in the battle between the inconsiderate driver and the inconsiderate pedestrian there's one thing the inconsiderate pedestrian needs to remember.... the inconsiderate driver always wins (at least in the parking lot and in the street).

By: dargent7 on 11/30/10 at 2:13

Back to gD's favorite topic. I work Downtown. As in 1st , 2nd & Broadway.
The amount of people (tourists, yes, but locals,too) that run across with a "Don't Walk" Red neon sign is enormous. So, people driving Left, have to Yield, even though THEY have the right of way.
Then, driving down Charlotte around 7th on down to 4th, the amount who stand in the street or run across for the Bus station is absurd.
I could easily clip and kill 5-10 people a day.

By: dargent7 on 11/30/10 at 2:16

Off- Topic Div: No comments on the latest WikiLeaks scandal?
My personal favorite is the Saudi King, Fasal, who solicited the USA to bomb everywhere in the Middle East.

By: gdiafante on 11/30/10 at 2:20

Darge, the fact that you haven't killed any pedestrians is exactly why they do as they please. Clip a few and they'll probably stop.

Actually, no they won't. They're like wildebeests...so a few are lost to the gators, the herd always survives.

By: house_of_pain on 11/30/10 at 3:19

Cull that herd, d7.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/30/10 at 4:01

Hello all.

If a pedestrian crosses any where other than a pedestrian crossing it is illegal.

By: gdiafante on 11/30/10 at 4:05

And if the police enforced that law, everyone would complain that they should be out catching thieves or arresting drug dealers.

You should see downtown during Preds games...we'll turn your damn car over if you don't stop...

By: Captain Nemo on 11/30/10 at 4:21

gdia-

That is the same thing during Fan Fair or whatever it is called now. Last year I had the green light and a damn fool woman step out in front of me to take a picture of the Bat Building.

By: brrrrk on 11/30/10 at 4:40

gdiafante said

"You should see downtown during Preds games...we'll turn your damn car over if you don't stop..."

Attach a few bayonets to the front of your car. I think you'll be amazed out how fast people will get out of your way then. :-)

By: AmyLiorate on 11/30/10 at 5:30

I'm with you on that Saudi guy d7. Some of those leaks have really exposed which part of the string the marionette we're attached to.

"Free trade with all, entangling alliances with none'!!!

By: HokeyPokey on 11/30/10 at 7:38

Sorry I've been away. I was out on a stolen bicycle knocking off liquor stores.

It's all in the wrist, I tells ya.

But the last crop of comments were priceless and left me laughing.

HP

By: BenDover on 11/30/10 at 9:50

The worst place I was ever at for pedestrians was London. Geezzz... those cars and cabbies were crazy. You'd be nuts to cross against a signal there.

By: yogiman on 12/1/10 at 12:46

Speaking of Wikileaks, Dargent7, Since they have hundreds of thousands of information over the world, I wonder if they can come up with Obama's birth certificate? Or is that Barry Soetoro? Maybe they can tell us which one he is.

By: localboy on 12/1/10 at 12:02

"Surely you jest! (no, and don't call me Shirley - RIP Leslie)"
Amen...although rightly known for his later comedic roles, he was also a talented serious actor - loved him in Forbidden Planet.

By: AmyLiorate on 12/1/10 at 12:21

LOL, now THAT one was funny Yogi!