Letter to the Editor

Thursday, December 2, 2010 at 9:05pm

Can't the [Tennessee Democratic Party] leaders see it's not the state party that caused the [legislative] loss? It's the national bunch of idiots like Obama and his crew. Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Frank, etc., are who cause problems for the party on the state and local level.

Republicans have the same problem. As long as Rove, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, etc., have anything to do with the national Republican group — which always claims to speak for the rank-and-file members — people will be skeptical.

 

Posted by “FilCamp” 

33 Comments on this post:

By: dargent7 on 12/3/10 at 5:41

"Skeptical"? Not hard enough.
Those Republicans you mentioned are career war criminals.

By: govskeptic on 12/3/10 at 8:35

It's not just the leaders but the overall policies that are being
pushed by a large majority within the party that are problematic!
105 members voted just yesterday to reduce Rep. Rangels
charges, and 78 democrats and 1 republican voted "No"
on punishing him at all on the final vote! What standards are
left in Washington for many members of either party?

By: gdiafante on 12/3/10 at 8:43

They take care of their own..."there but for the grace of God go I..." and all that nonsense.

That's why it's so funny (or pathetic) that people seem to think this new crop of legislators will be any different in the end.

By: bfra on 12/3/10 at 8:58

If someone elected, goes in Honest, it doesn't take long for the ilk to take over.

By: brrrrk on 12/3/10 at 10:55

dargent7 said

"Those Republicans you mentioned are career war criminals."

And speaking of war criminals, did you hear that Interpol has issued a warrant for Dick Cheney's arrest after Nigeria issue an indictment having to do with bribery charges? If I were Dick, I'd get real comfy cozy here in the good ol' USA.... cause if he steps outside the U.S., he just might find his ass in jail.

By: dargent7 on 12/3/10 at 11:01

See Dick Cheney at Bush's "Library" dedication? He's lost 100# and is self-imploding.
5 heart attacks before the age of 39?
Very bad karma or a very bad man.

By: AmyLiorate on 12/3/10 at 11:03

We have one party with two factions, Democrat faction and a Republican faction.

The former wants to spend money and then find ways to raise funds to cover it.

The latter wants to spend money but first raise the funds.

It all seems to boil down to how the Accounts Payable and Accounts Receivable are dealt with. Aside from that I hardly see much difference and I say that is why so many people are independent voters and can easily go from D to R and back.

By: AmyLiorate on 12/3/10 at 11:10

Seriously Brrrk? I'd like to see Dick Cheney on trial... maybe he'd take some others down with him.

It'll never happen but the thought is nice. Were the issue serious enough do you think Obama would protect Cheney?

By: gdiafante on 12/3/10 at 11:17

"The latter (Republicans) wants to spend money but first raise the funds."

LOL!! Now that is hilarious.

By: brrrrk on 12/3/10 at 11:35

dargent7 said

"Very bad karma or a very bad man."

Hmmm, wouldn't very bad karma necessitate a very bad man.... after all, isn't that the jist of karma; that bad things happen to bad people?

By: brrrrk on 12/3/10 at 11:36

or to put in Southern Rock terms (thank you Wet Wille)...

Everything that you do, will come back to you
Everything that you say, will come back some day

By: brrrrk on 12/3/10 at 11:45

gdiafante said

"'The latter (Republicans) wants to spend money but first raise the funds.'

LOL!! Now that is hilarious."

I agree, that's a real hoot.

C'mon Amy, do some research. I know you're smarter than that. At this point, Republican administrations are responsible for over 80% of our national debt. I'm not saying that Democrats are fiscal saints, but as Daniel Patrick Moynihan used to say, "You have a right to your own opinions, but not your own facts".

By: dargent7 on 12/3/10 at 2:03

I took that line, "Very bad man", from a Seinfeild episode. "Babu" was talking about Jerry.

By: AmyLiorate on 12/3/10 at 2:26

Lol, gimme a break on that guys. The point is what it is... you can say "administrations" did this, or they did that. I'm saying they're both one party and that they BOTH like to spend anytime they can. Can't we all get over these party flavors?

The best budget we've seen in our lifetime is likely when a Democrat president was in office with a Republican congress. Hell, even little Bob Corker will show you that on his cute power point show, http://corker.senate.gov/public/?p=america-s-debt-crisis

I think it's about the 3rd slide, 2:30 into the video.

So the next two years could be a repeat if we're lucky.

By: AmyLiorate on 12/3/10 at 2:28

It's what comes after the next two years that matters most.

By: not_guilty on 12/3/10 at 2:28

AmyLiorate, rhetoric that uses the word Democrat as an adjective goes a long way toward discrediting itself.

Apart from the deliberate use of dialect to make a point, why does anyone think that the use of non-standard English is persuasive?

By: bfra on 12/3/10 at 2:29

Oh Boy! Oh Boy! This is great!
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Congress Targets Loud Ads
4 hours ago - ABC News 2:24 | 51337 views
Congress passes legislation to curb high-decibel TV

By: brrrrk on 12/3/10 at 2:29

Democracy is not something you believe in or a place to hang your hat, but it's something you do. You participate. If you stop doing it, democracy crumbles. ~ Abbie Hoffman

By: brrrrk on 12/3/10 at 2:37

AmyLiorate said

"Lol, gimme a break on that guys. The point is what it is... you can say "administrations" did this, or they did that. I'm saying they're both one party and that they BOTH like to spend anytime they can. Can't we all get over these party flavors?"

Like I said before, I'm not letting the Democratic party or administrations off the hook, but we're not talking 50/50 here. There's a big difference between 50/50 and 80/20. How well money is spent and on what that money is spent on can be subjective, math isn't.

By: gdiafante on 12/3/10 at 3:29

Amy may be right about the next two years...

If I remember correctly, the GOP threatened to shut down the government unless Clinton gave in. He didn't.

Now, the GOP have vowed to block everything if they don't get what they want (extend tax cuts for the wealthy).

Reminds me of my two year old having a tantrum...

By: AmyLiorate on 12/3/10 at 4:09

Yep, that back fired on the Repubs. Don Sunquist learned how to play that little game too when he wanted an income tax.

If the next two years cause the budget to straighten up, and only serious issues can get attention then our country is probably best off. I could even see myself voting for Obama (ick) were I to be convinced the power balance would remain in place and that things would work best.

Always remember that the budget comes from congress and not the presidential administration. I think we short ourselves if we give too much credit to the president regarding the budget.

By: brrrrk on 12/3/10 at 4:20

AmyLiorate said

"Always remember that the budget comes from congress and not the presidential administration."

The budget is submitted to congress and originates in the executive branch.

"The President is required to annually prepare and submit a comprehensive federal
budget to Congress for the fiscal year that begins on October 1 (31 U.S.C. 1105). The
President sets out his national priorities and proposes policy initiatives in the federal
budget submitted to Congress soon after Congress convenes in January. The President’s budget submission provides him the opportunity to influence the agenda for the upcoming budget and policy debate in Congress."

http://www.rules.house.gov/archives/RS20179.pdf

By: Loretta Bridge on 12/3/10 at 4:42

Until these professional politicians realize that they are SUPPOSE to be doing what is best for us, the citizens, and not what is best for THEIR political party things will never change.

By: brrrrk on 12/3/10 at 4:49

Loretta Bridge said

"Until these professional politicians realize that they are SUPPOSE to be doing what is best for us, the citizens, and not what is best for THEIR political party things will never change."

It's not just that they are doing what is best for their party, It's what they're doing for themselves. Consider this, half of the incoming Republican freshman for the next session of Congress are multimillionaires, so a push for tax breaks for the top 1% are a push for tax breaks for themselves.

By: AmyLiorate on 12/3/10 at 5:37

Congress holds the purse strings. The constitution says that no money is taken from the treasury except by law. What you cited is indeed the current process according to law passed in 1921. That law could be rewritten by congress.

"The Budget Director, Cabinet officers, and other Administration officials work with
Congress as it accepts some of the President’s proposals, rejects others, and
02_guide.qxd 3/30/2001 2:58 PM Page 1617 changes still others."

All budget bills have to originate in the House. Congress has a lot of sway, I guess it depends a lot on how much political capital is in play. The biggest factor considered is what is labeled as Mandatory Spending and what is Discretionary Spending. They are 2/3 and 1/3 of the $3.5T budget.

And don't forget that most Democrats in congress are also millionaires. Let's be honest, the Republicans don't vote for tax breaks alone.

By: brrrrk on 12/3/10 at 5:47

AmyLiorate said

"And don't forget that most Democrats in congress are also millionaires. Let's be honest, the Republicans don't vote for tax breaks alone."

And again, I'm not disputing that there aren't Democrats who wallow in the same trough as the Republicans (most of those Democrats are from conservative states by the way).... but which party has the most representatives in Congress that are holding out for tax breaks for the top 1%? C'mon Amy, you're being disingenuous. You're trying to prove the point that just because both sides do it, then both sides do it equally. My old symbolic logic professor would give you an F for sure.

By: brrrrk on 12/3/10 at 5:59

And one more thing, what ever happened to being wrong? We've gotten to the point where we can no longer take a stand when processing arguments and say, "you're wrong." Why is it that we must take into consideration an argument that should clearly be dismissed. Just because someone has an opinion, that doesn't mean that opinion holds water and should be considered. Are we at the point where the opinion that the sun is square in shape is on equal footing with the opinion that the sun is round in shape? Woe to us if we have gotten to the point where intellectually rational positions are on equal footing with bullshit........

By: yogiman on 12/3/10 at 8:27

brrrrk, you make a mention about the multimillionaires in congress today. Wouldn't it be nice if we could have, at least, a few common citizens in congress representing us? This issue give me my argument on the limited source of money a person should be allowed to get to run for office.

The president should only get money from the citizens of our nation. None from corporations, big businesses or big industries. Our senators should only be able to get money from the citizens of the state they are running in and the representatives should be restricted to the citizens of the district they are going to represent. That would give an intelligent common person the chance to hold a political office.

I know we have a 'term limit' by elections of office, but there should be a actual term limit over those elections.

I, also, don't believe congress should be legally able to vote in favor on themselves for any benefit without approval of the citizens of our nation (I'm speaking of salary, retirement and health benefits... plus any other).

Its gotten to the point the legislators are only representing themselves.

I never get a response from Alexander in a negative approach. Only when he agrees with me do I get a reply. He never tells why he voted differently from my idea. I guess I ain't supposed to know.

By: AmyLiorate on 12/3/10 at 11:43

NO Brrrk. I was definitely not implying that the self interests are perfectly equal. But I was pointing out that you made a one sided statement.

I throw dirt on both parties. They're both filled with humans and the type of people we see rising to the top in politics sure do seem prone to a full scoop of Self-Serving with chocolate sauce.

And you are aware of you is being censured as of late. Nice pictures of that Democrat basking in the Caribbean. Doesn't he own a nice place down there? I'm sure he does nothing but ponder how to help the poor and disadvantaged while sipping umbrella drinks over looking the surf.

Like I said earlier, BOTH parties like to spend our money. There's hardly any difference between them and it's our fault. Especially those who look to government to solve every damned problem.

By: yogiman on 12/5/10 at 12:29

I just read this on an email I received today. Thought you good Democratics might like to read it. It is found on a tombstone in Indiana. It reads:

N. GRIGSBY
DIED
Apr.16.1890
AGED
78Yrs.6Ms.5Ds.
2nd Lieut. Co. G
10th Ind. Cavy.

Through this inscription I wish to enter my dying protest against what is called the Democratic party
I have watched it closely since the days of Jackson and know that the misfortunes of our nation has come to it through this so called party therefore beware of the party of treason

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Put on in fullfillment of promise to deceased.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/5/10 at 11:25

Shut up yogi

By: yogiman on 12/6/10 at 8:18

Good morning, Nimrod..., excuse me, I meant Captain Nemo. I didn't mean to offend you, Sir (as I use the term loosely). I simply meant to pas a message along I received. I thought all good Americans would like to read it (especially the Demoncrats).

By: yogiman on 12/6/10 at 8:59

If anyone is interested, I received a message Kamal Saleem is going to speak at the Gordon Jewish Community Center at 801 Percy Warner Blvd. tonight at 6:30PM. It said he will be speaking on "Islam: US.A infiltration and Stealth Jihad".

You could get more info from Bobbie Patray at bobbie@tneagleforum.org

Wish I could go but its too late for me to come to Nashville.