Letter to the Editor

Tuesday, December 7, 2010 at 10:05pm

Sure [the Titans are] plagued by injuries — but guess what? Most of the league is plagued with injuries by Game 8. Yes, [Jeff Fisher] is playing the hand he’s dealt. However, the quarterback issue does not start with the Jags; it starts with Game 1. Don't get me wrong. I like Fisher and he's been great. However, who is the starting QB? It has always been a question (dates back to Steve McNair) and this problem still plagues the Titans. The QB represents leadership both on and off the field. Further, the decisions to release [Kyle] Vanden Bosch, [Keith] Bulluck and others hurt the defense as well. I still think it’s time to take a look at the coach.

Posted by “erbymi02” 

Filed under: City Voices

49 Comments on this post:

By: dargent7 on 12/8/10 at 5:52

Sorry, but way off the mark.
Fisher gave VY every possible chance and he blew them all, both on and off the field.
Mentally, he's the worst QB I've ever witnessed.
And character wise? Forget it. A 27 year old cry baby.
You try pulling his attitude and stunts with a Vince Lombardi, Tom Landry, or a John Madden.
He'd be traded before the second half.

By: govskeptic on 12/8/10 at 6:01

darg, you're exactly right! There are several rookie quarterbacks
in the league doing so much better in both decision making and
quality of play. At this point we should just go for a good/hopefully
great Draft pick and build upon that, since rebuilding is in the cards
already.

By: bfra on 12/8/10 at 6:05

Agree d7! Bud Adams is the problem, because he doesn't admit his mistake, on insisting on VY. If the time on VY had been applied on someone that was Pro QB material, this might have been a Super Bowl year,.

By: Loner on 12/8/10 at 6:28

The Titanic Titans have side-swiped a glacier; but do not worry, Bud Adams is pumping the bilge. Just rearrange the deck chairs and pay no attention to that list to starboard....full speed ahead!

By: Loner on 12/8/10 at 6:31

Glacier s/h/b iceberg....have yet to take my meds...please forgive me....I'm a little slow in the morning this time of year.

By: bfra on 12/8/10 at 6:37

Bud Adams needs to stick with his senile antics and leave the coaching to Fisher! Bud would probably be good at arranging chairs on a poop deck.

By: dargent7 on 12/8/10 at 7:04

First, I'm glad this group is finally coming around to the realization I'm a football genius.
Second, I cannot wait until "the Sidiot" calls me a racist for disparaging a black QB.
Both aren't true.

By: dargent7 on 12/8/10 at 7:10

"Gov": I believe Mark Sanchez of the Jets is only 23.
They lost horribly last Monday, but he stayed in the game and didn't run off when the tv cameras came calling.
Then there's Vandy's Jay Cutler, who's 24, and he and the Bears beat my Lions'
Stafford, who's 24, but is injured.
Young, at 27, is paractically an old timer.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/8/10 at 7:52

Good morning
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By: Captain Nemo on 12/8/10 at 7:52

I feel as if the Titans have jinxed themselves. It seem to me that when they are winning, they say OMG we are winning and then they fall apart. Maybe it has something to do with their name Titans.

The Titans were defeated by the Gods.

By: bfra on 12/8/10 at 7:53

d7 - With all of VY's whining, pouting & uselessness, he was over the hill, before his first pass with the Titans, but then he is Bud's boy.

By: gdiafante on 12/8/10 at 7:58

I repudiated this post yesterday, yet the NCP chooses to reprint it. Sad.

By: dargent7 on 12/8/10 at 8:15

Speaking of age...I didn't know Peyton Manning was 34. Tom Brady is 34. My boy, Stafford of Detroit is only 22. Guy stayed in the game, and won, last year with a broken collar bone. I'm not sure, but I think QB's need their collar bones to pass effectively.
Farve, at 41, is the oldest in the league. He cannot take a hit any longer, I hope to God he calls it quits.
But, VY, at 27, is in his prime. He pulls hamstrings, calfs, thumbs more often than my 92 year old grandmother. Then pouts or leaves the game. After first cursing out the coach.
And, he couldn't lead a flock of sheep.
Didn't have what it takes in the NFL as a QB.
I know this is redundant, but Adams and Fisher gave it all to him and he pi**sed it all away.
Let's see who trades (down) for him next season.

By: bfra on 12/8/10 at 8:19

d7 - From what I have read, Fisher never wanted VY, this was all Bud's doing.

By: girliegirl on 12/8/10 at 8:31

Agreed. Last thing they'd leaked was that they preferred Cutler. Vince did not test well, remember?

By: global_citizen on 12/8/10 at 8:31

When the headline read "time for Fisher to go" my first thought was Bob Fisher, president of Belmont University. But that may be the case also.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/8/10 at 8:32

Fisher did not want Pac Man, but got stuck with him.

By: girliegirl on 12/8/10 at 8:33

@Dargent... but VY has severe emotional issues, along w/being a bit of a diva, admittedly, which is now severely compromising the team. It's time to let him go, along with the coach. They both need to decompress. ;-)

By: dargent7 on 12/8/10 at 9:09

Joe Namath was a diva. But, he won a Super Bowl.
Young is too dumb to know what day it is.
Check out the Wonderlic test scores....

By: producer2 on 12/8/10 at 9:16

Vince Young, not such a great leader and role model for the Titans.
Kerry Collins a more consumate professional.

2009-2010 - Vince Young 13-5
2009 - 2010 - Kerry Collins 0-11

You decide.....

By: producer2 on 12/8/10 at 9:22

sorry misspoke...
Collins 0-9

By: dargent7 on 12/8/10 at 9:31

Yes, Producer...Collins only hits Moss in his hands twice, and the guy couldn't catch the ball.
Collins is hexed by having a team run and assembled by morally baseless bums.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/8/10 at 9:35

Six weeks and three days after I had my operation I am going back to work. See you later.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/8/10 at 9:36

Go Green Bay

By: producer2 on 12/8/10 at 9:48

Nice reply but I prefer to use facts not excuses. I am not a fan of VY or his actions but he gives us the best chance to win and has done so over the course of his career. It is now convenient to bash him since he is IR but the reality is he is a winner and has been his whole athletic career. He is a baby not a murderer....

By: bfra on 12/8/10 at 9:48

Nemo - That's great! Have a good day.

By: bfra on 12/8/10 at 9:50

producer - You are a wrong on VY as a winner, as your continued support for Karl and his ego boosting White Elephant, the MCC.

By: bfra on 12/8/10 at 9:51

s/h/b - "are as wrong"

By: producer2 on 12/8/10 at 10:00

bfra,
Like I said, in my world facts trump speculation every time....

By: brrrrk on 12/8/10 at 10:02

bfra said

"d7 - From what I have read, Fisher never wanted VY, this was all Bud's doing."

Snagging VY was Adams way of rubbing Houstons nose in it. After all, VY was the areas golden child. But after a few years of this VY crap, one has to wonder who's nose is where.

By: bfra on 12/8/10 at 10:06

LOL - brrrrl

By: brrrrk on 12/8/10 at 10:08

girliegirl said

"Agreed. Last thing they'd leaked was that they preferred Cutler. Vince did not test well, remember?"

And if you've looked at any of the Wonderlic test examples you'd realize that it doesn't take a genius to at least score average on this thing.

Which of these colors are on the American flag?
1) tree
2)blue
3)nose

By: bfra on 12/8/10 at 10:08

producer2 - Are you referring to the articles about very slow reservations for this MCC, after all the predictions you and the Karl brown noses made?

By: bfra on 12/8/10 at 10:09

brrrrk - Vy would pick tree, because that is where his nose is. lol

By: gdiafante on 12/8/10 at 10:33

Vince can barely finish a year, and when he does, he can't win a playoff game.

Neither can Collins, but he's 110 years old.

Time to draft a new QB.

By: brrrrk on 12/8/10 at 10:49

gdiafante said

"Neither can Collins, but he's 110 years old."

In football years......

Seriously though, what this franchise needs is a good working class QB, not some prima donna that's been catered to all through high school and college. Frankly, I attribute VY's attitude to poor coaching prior to the NFL. Every program that he's been a part of before going pro has probably catered to his strengths and the coaches likely never challenged him, and that's the way to win games at that level. But when you're up against guys like the Manning and Brady (and others), it's just not enough to have raw talent. You could say that McNair was an exception to that rule, but VY ain't no McNair.

By: bfra on 12/8/10 at 11:46

Ditto! brrrrk - VY is definitely no McNair, IMO as much as he has tried to fool everybody into thinking he is.

By: house_of_pain on 12/8/10 at 11:48

Draft Ryan Mallett.

By: dargent7 on 12/8/10 at 12:24

Anyone who emotionally or mentally coddles VY at this juncture has a confidence problem.
He's (VY) had 5 years to build a team, rise up, lead, and win.
He's a .500 QB.
Not bad, if you're playing the slots or bingo, but the NFL is serious business.
He lacks the intelligence, skills, and maturity.
When he gets to be 35, maybe, but it's way too late.

By: producer2 on 12/8/10 at 1:48

point #1 - agree
point #2 - correct
point#3 - let's discuss...
University of Texas - 30-2 = .920
Titans - 30-17 = .650

A bit higher than .500

Facts are facts.....

By: dargent7 on 12/8/10 at 3:22

pro2: I think your math's a bit off...
Collins lead Tennessee 2 years ago to 10-0
Then, last year, he was 0-6 before VY came in.
You cannot attribute the Titans 30-17 to VY exclusively.
And at 27 years old, and 5 years in the NFL, you want to quote college stats?
Who cares at this point what he did at Texas. Or High School.
The ramp up and learning curve has come and gone.

By: Loner on 12/8/10 at 3:28

OK, who's in the next Superbowl? Bears vs Patriots is what my sports crystal ball is telling me. Looks like the Pats whip their ursine asses...according to the ball.

By: brrrrk on 12/8/10 at 3:30

bfra said

"Ditto! brrrrk - VY is definitely no McNair, IMO as much as he has tried to fool everybody into thinking he is."

You're right, VY has done his best to convince us that he's the new McNair.... which in itself could be part of the problem. Let's face it, McNair (for all his abilities and charm) wasn't known for having the best work ethic, but what he did have was the experience that reinforced his raw talents. VY has neither the experience nor the patience (in my opinion) to gain it... and there we are.

By: producer2 on 12/8/10 at 3:41

Again, I am just quoting the facts. there are any number of websites including Wikipedia where you can look this up. How do you think I got this info?

Your statement:
"He's (VY) had 5 years to build a team, rise up, lead, and win.He's a .500 QB"

The facts are he has won, consistently, and is far more than a .500 quarterback in the NFL. I am not disputing his shortcomings. But you cannot say he is not a winner, therefore blaming the losing ways of the team currently on him.

By: brrrrk on 12/8/10 at 3:59

producer2 said

"The facts are he has won, consistently, and is far more than a .500 quarterback in the NFL. I am not disputing his shortcomings. But you cannot say he is not a winner, therefore blaming the losing ways of the team currently on him."

True, but in the absence of a real leader on the field, VY has become the defacto leader by reason of his position. And as such, anything that he does, says, or reacts to, either positively or negatively, has an effect on the rest of the team.... regardless of what anyone says. His inability to handle some adverse situations can do the team no good, no matter how talented he is. This is "Pacman" Jones all over again... but worse, as "Pacman" wasn't in a team leadership position.

By: producer2 on 12/8/10 at 4:32

I agree with most of what you have stated with the exception of the Pacman Jones comment. While Young is immature and has thrown his share of tantrums he has not had the off field antics which were the undoing of Jones. To me a totally different situation.

Since you brought it up, maybe the team as a whole believe more in Young than they do in Fisher. That could explain the 5-3 start with Vince and the 4 straight losses since the turmoil began.

By: brrrrk on 12/8/10 at 4:52

producer2 said

"Since you brought it up, maybe the team as a whole believe more in Young than they do in Fisher. That could explain the 5-3 start with Vince and the 4 straight losses since the turmoil began."

You also can't lay it all on Fisher, the coach just coaches, it's up to the team to execute... I defer to Eddie George who said,

"It comes down to the core unit of the team to say: 'This is what we are about. We make up the team,''' he said. "At some point and time the coaches will coach, and get you ready. But the players decide on what type of team they are gong to be."

By: producer2 on 12/8/10 at 5:08

totally agree. Jeff is not trying to lose but my thought is if the players are not happy at how Fisher has handled VY and feel he did not get a fair shake, they can sure make his life miserable by not performing.....

By: rldavenport@com... on 12/8/10 at 5:14

dargent - just a point of information. Cutler is 27 or 28. He was drafted the same year as VY - 2006.