Letters to the Editor

Tuesday, May 12, 2009 at 1:00am

Revoke the charter

The dog-and-pony shows Mayor Karl Dean has encountered during his multi-city tour of charter schools [“Dean advocates for charter school law reform, April 30] apparently have shielding him from the downside of charter schools. He fails to understand how these taxpayer funded schools, which are quasi private schools, help to set up struggling urban public schools for failure.

In many inner-city communities throughout the country, charter school recruiters seek out parents who may be undereducated and poor themselves but want better for their own children. The charter schools then enroll students of parents who value education and pledge to become full partners in their children’s schooling.

This “cherry picking” leaves the affected public schools disadvantaged with a higher concentration of students who are unmotivated and difficult to teach, who are likely to become behavioral problems and truants and dropouts and later a drag on society. These are students who produce lower test scores even with dedicated teachers.

Under most accountability systems, schools with low-scoring students are labeled “failing.” Their teachers are considered ineffective and their professional reputations are tarnished. These schools face the threat of sanctions and are bashed in the press. Instead, they need real help, not pseudo competition and bully pulpit-driven education “reform.”

Meanwhile, charter schools are hyped in the press and receive honorable recognitions from various agencies and groups, including “progressive” politicians. Some charter schools receive generous grants and donations from private businesses and philanthropies to supplement government funding, thereby building more inequity into our education system.

Gene Bryant,
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Filed under: City Voices

139 Comments on this post:

By: Captain Nemo on 5/12/09 at 3:22

Good morning.

When a letter start of with the phares "dog and phony show" I can't help not to think that the letter did not vote for Dean. These four words tell me that the letter has a bias overtone and may not be completly true.

Now saying that, I really don't have an opinion if the Charter Scools viable or not. So I will wait to see what the readers have to say.

By: Loner on 5/12/09 at 4:21

Good morning, Nashville!

Is this another recycled LTE? The theme and some of the terms, expressions and language used sound familiar.

Southern public schools suffer from self-inflicted wounds. I remember theose grainy, black and white TV images.... white crackers carrying signs and chanting, . "Two - four - six - eight, we don't wanna integrate!" Unlike the black protesters, the whites were not bludgeoned with night sticks, fire-hosed or set upon by police dogs.

White flight from the integrated public schools to mostly white "Christian" schools was the Southern response to the Civil Rights movement in the 60's. The schism remains 'til this very day.

So, Nashville now has a problem with its educational product? Who's to blame? Look in the mirror.

By: daKine7 on 5/12/09 at 4:48

LoneStar: Can you give the good Captain some remedial English lessons? His vernacular is a little twisted. It's, "having said that", "or "that being said"...and what is a "phares"? (I'm just playing around...I have zero opinion on the LTE)

By: Loner on 5/12/09 at 5:17

Nobody's human, D7, we all make mistakes. I think that Nemo meant to type "phrase", not "phares". If we compose in word, spellcheck and re-read before copying and pasting the text into the NCP's comment window, a lot of those errors can be eliminated.

Actually, I'm getting a little tired of the phrases, "having said that" and "that being said". I like to use the phrase. "on the other hand", when contrasting two views. It's a venerable old phrase.

Phrases like "going forward" and words like "surge" and "breach" have also been overworked.

Words are like clothes, they go in and out of fashion. Some folks parade around in colorful, flowing robes; others barely get by, wearing a filthy loin cloth or less..

By: daKine7 on 5/12/09 at 5:25

Lone: I much prefer the phrase, "hand job" to any other activity to do with my hands.

By: Loner on 5/12/09 at 5:51

I gotta hand it to you, D7, when it comes to manual humor, you certainly know how to handle yourself. Your grasp of the issues at hand and your grip on reality are two traits that explain how and why you are a master debater.

By: house_of_pain on 5/12/09 at 5:57

This LTE is recycled. NCP must be doing their part to go "green".
Another word that is becoming threadbare.
d7 wants a hand up, not a handout.

By: Loner on 5/12/09 at 6:09

WTF! All comments wiped and red ink in the comment window? Testing 1 2 3 . Is this thing on?

By: Loner on 5/12/09 at 6:14

OK Back to normal. Was that just my screen or what?

House, threadbare green beomes a shade of yellow or blue....what does this mean ?

By: daKine7 on 5/12/09 at 6:18

House d'pain: I'll attend to my own hands, either up, down, or sideways. A hand job is like golf,...when it's good, it's great,...when it's bad it's still pretty good.

By: house_of_pain on 5/12/09 at 6:22

Didn't think of it that way, Loner. Maybe I meant worn out.
Maybe it means I don't know what I'm talking about.

By: BenDover on 5/12/09 at 6:26

Nashville was the model of desegregation. If you wanted to check out the really good desegregation riots in the late 70's you'd have to go to Boston.

By: idgaf on 5/12/09 at 6:26

By: Loner on 5/12/09 at 5:21

Southern public schools suffer from self-inflicted wounds. I remember theose grainy, black and white TV images.... white crackers carrying signs and chanting, . "Two - four - six - eight, we don't wanna integrate!" Unlike the black protesters, the whites were not bludgeoned with night sticks, fire-hosed or set upon by police dogs.

White flight from the integrated public schools to mostly white "Christian" schools was the Southern response to the Civil Rights movement in the 60's. The schism remains 'til this very day.
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SO loner you explain barry getting rid of voucher in DC HOW?

Charter schools are just and excuse to keep some sort of control over them rather then them being private schools to placate the parents with failing kids and taxpayers that are throwing their money down a sewer.

You racisim dosn't "sell" loner blacks are the main benifactor of alternative schools. When you have to resort to that argument you have no others.

By: Captain Nemo on 5/12/09 at 6:32

You r corect d7. It has to do wit mi soother edukson. wink wink

It was too early to be posting and I had not had my coffee.

By: Captain Nemo on 5/12/09 at 6:38

By: BenDover on 5/12/09 at 7:26
Nashville was the model of desegregation. *****************************************************************

I can remember the White Flight to the burbs in the 50's and 60's.

By: house_of_pain on 5/12/09 at 6:43

Don't feel bad, Nemo. There is a certain poster here that is the bane of spellcheck.
He clicks on it, and it responds with "WTF?!".

By: kk33 on 5/12/09 at 6:51

If it weren't for the idiotic white flight and preceeding segregation, we would not even be having this conversation. When you pull off the cream, all that's left is watery milk. Charter schools are one possible rememdy that seems to be working for the children left behind by Bush and this racist city we live in. Yes, they cater to the children that need an extra hand up. And this is wrong why??
As we used to say in the debate over reproductive rights, if youy are against choice, go adopt an interacial mongoloid or shut the f.... up!"

By: slacker on 5/12/09 at 6:57

No problem, this charter school discussion, will morph into a G. Bush, D. Cheney, Iraq war, bloodthirsty baby killing soldier debate, no later than 9:20 am. you betcha.

By: Captain Nemo on 5/12/09 at 7:03

It will now slacker. wink wink

By: gdiafante on 5/12/09 at 7:07

Nashville a model for desegregation?? I remember living in Antioch in the late 1970's and my sister being shipped to Cameron. Shortly after she started there the assistant principal was killed. I remember him, nice guy. Terrible area.

Soon after we moved to Rutherford County, like most other people.

By: Loner on 5/12/09 at 7:13

Touche! Ben Dover. No, racism is not confined to the South. In the North, white flight to the suburbs has left the inner-city schools with little money and resources to work with. We have our Christian, Catholic, Protestant and Jewish schools "cherry picking" the student orchards. And some home school their k ids. The result is clear, the best and brightest get a load of dogma along with their academic material, creeping theocracy naturally follows.

Speaking of hominids in loin cloths, Idgaf presents us with another non sequitur. Idgaf speaks: "SO loner you explain barry getting rid of voucher in DC HOW?"

Barry Obama or Marion Barry? Either way, the racial demographics of Washington DC are quite unique and hardly representative of the rest of the nation. Drawing parallels and conclusions here is risky business.

Id sez, "You racisim dosn't "sell" loner blacks are the main benifactor of alternative schools."

Since the majority of students in DC are "minorities" any benefits from vouchers to DC public school students would probably go to minority students, in that city. But nationwide, blacks are usually the victims, not the "benifactors" of alternative schools; such schools are siphoning-off funds and resources from the public school systems.

By: daKine7 on 5/12/09 at 7:15

Slack: I think today's forum will morph into the guns in bars legislation that passed yesterday. Or the soldier that killed 5 fellow commrades, and the Afghan General who was fired. Or, Betty Crocker reciepies for pineapple upside-down cake.

By: Captain Nemo on 5/12/09 at 7:21

Sorry that your sister had to go throught, gaia.

By: chiefpayne568 on 5/12/09 at 7:21

Loner,

Good morning, Loner!

Sorry, maybe it's because my son kept me up playing laser tag today but I'm a bit confused.

You said "Southern public schools suffer from self-inflicted wounds." and "White flight from the integrated public schools to mostly white "Christian" schools was the Southern response to the Civil Rights movement in the 60's. The schism remains 'til this very day."

And this is what has caused the educational problem in Nashville how exactly? I mean, is it because a lot of money went to the private schools and that is the problem??? A little slow this morning folks.

Maybe I need more coffee now!

By: slacker on 5/12/09 at 7:22

Loner, do you think busing some white children into DC schools, from Maryland and Virginia, might help?

By: chiefpayne568 on 5/12/09 at 7:24

Loner,

"In the North, white flight to the suburbs has left the inner-city schools with little money and resources to work with. We have our Christian, Catholic, Protestant and Jewish schools "cherry picking" the student orchards. And some home school their k ids. The result is clear, the best and brightest get a load of dogma along with their academic material, creeping theocracy naturally follows."

But how is this affecting the education children are getting in the public schools? I'm still drinking coffee and trying to wake up...so I'm not seeing the correlation here. HELP!

By: chiefpayne568 on 5/12/09 at 7:24

slacker,

"Loner, do you think busing some white children into DC schools, from Maryland and Virginia, might help?"

Ok...I'm feeling particularly dense this morning. How do you figure that would help Slacker???

By: gdiafante on 5/12/09 at 7:26

Chief, see ...with little money and resources to work with... I believe he is trying to say that public school funding is being diverted from the inner-city to the suburbs to sustain "white-flight". I hope that helps.

By: Captain Nemo on 5/12/09 at 7:28

That is not coffee you are drinking, cheif. It is cool aid.

By: chiefpayne568 on 5/12/09 at 7:30

Gdia,

Um, but I thought that public schools were funded by the government and private schools were funded by the parents paying for their kids to attend there.

Are you saying some of the public funds are being diverted to private schools? I thought that was illegal.

Now if there are public schools in the suburbs that are being financed by public funds, couldn't the school area of responsibility be expanded to include the fringes of the suburbs? That way, they couldn't maintain a completely homogeneous student body, could they?

By: chiefpayne568 on 5/12/09 at 7:30

Nemo,

Always a pleasure to see you here too.

By: slacker on 5/12/09 at 7:31

No chief just sarcasm, once again I failed miserably.

By: Captain Nemo on 5/12/09 at 7:32

Where did gdia say that money was going to private schools?

By: house_of_pain on 5/12/09 at 7:33

I smell what you're steppin' in, gd. I, too, was forced to ride a bus across town to Cameron in the late 70's. Not a fun time.

By: gdiafante on 5/12/09 at 7:33

Yes, you're correct Chief. Loner is confused. I think he meant to say public school funding was diverted to those public schools in suburbia, and that inner-city schools were left lacking.

Per the previous story about my sister, I can attest that they were already lacking.

By: Captain Nemo on 5/12/09 at 7:34

You just love the attention don't you chief.

By: gdiafante on 5/12/09 at 7:35

It was ridiculous House. My parents were not happy but when that assistant principal was killed, that was the last straw. None of it made any sense.

By: chiefpayne568 on 5/12/09 at 7:36

slacker,

No you didn't fail...I'm just not awake yet...you keep right on using sarcasm. :-)

By: house_of_pain on 5/12/09 at 7:37

My parents began lying about our address so I could attend the school I should have been going to all along (West End Middle).

By: chiefpayne568 on 5/12/09 at 7:37

Nemo,

No sorry, not from you.

By: chiefpayne568 on 5/12/09 at 7:38

Gdia,

Doesn't the Department of Education require equal funding of all schools - funding based on students attending? Or has that changed?

By: Captain Nemo on 5/12/09 at 7:40

That is suppose to hurt me, chief? LOL

By: gdiafante on 5/12/09 at 7:41

I have no idea Chief, I was just interpreting Loner's post.

By: chiefpayne568 on 5/12/09 at 7:42

Nemo,

Not really. I didn't think it was worth the effort.

By: chiefpayne568 on 5/12/09 at 7:44

Thanks Gdia.

Loner,

Doesn't the Dept of Education require equal funding of all schools, based on the number of students attending? If so, then how would public school funding be diverted to those public schools in suburbia and how would that cause inner-city schools were to be lacking funding?

By: Captain Nemo on 5/12/09 at 7:44

Then way reply, if you did not want the attention?

By: chiefpayne568 on 5/12/09 at 7:45

Nemo,

I realize the concept is foreign to you, but it is considered polite and good manners to reply to someone who has spoken to you.

By: Captain Nemo on 5/12/09 at 7:47

By: chiefpayne568 on 5/12/09 at 8:42
Nemo,

Not really. I didn't think it was worth the effort.

Then why?

By: chiefpayne568 on 5/12/09 at 7:48

Nemo,

Again, to be polite.

By: Captain Nemo on 5/12/09 at 7:51

It is much more than being polite. You need the attention.