Letters to the Editor

Sunday, July 19, 2009 at 11:00pm

Number 1 and Number 2

The daily revelations of the secrecy and misdeeds of Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld without any constitutional authority to do any of it reminds me of the Austin Powers movie adventures with Cheney and Rumsfeld closely paralleling "Dr. Evil" (for Cheney, note the actual resemblance) and Number 2, his comrade in crime.

[We’ll leave the role of Mini Me to a confused President Bush who was not even cognizant of anything that was going on.]

This Bush mob has stained our country forever and their comedic evil can in no way can ever be considered funny as the Austin Powers movies were intended to be. Enough has already been revealed that war crimes trials should on the table, but it seems that the American people don't stand much of a chance at receiving justice.

President Obama should insist that the justice department proceed in that direction. If not, it will be hard to proceed into the future with hope or any kind of standards if the crimes of the past are allowed to evaporate for the sake of moving ahead.

C.W.Clouse, 37209

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267 Comments on this post:

By: dargent7 on 7/20/09 at 6:15

I wrote a long response to this LTE, but the site is on the fritz today and it was erased. (Thank) God save us all.

By: dooley on 7/20/09 at 6:53

Repeat it dargent.

By: pandabear on 7/20/09 at 7:32

This constant political ya ya is stupid.
Without common ground there will never be real change.

By: dargent7 on 7/20/09 at 7:36

OK, Cpt. "D": Here goes...We have to remember GW Bush & Co. won TWICE. I know it came down to one state each time admid controversy, but a "win" is a win. Ask Jeff Fisher. So, America voted for these guys and their policies. Before the 2nd term of Bush, I painfully watched Senate Hearings after Congressional panels, Sr. level officials parade their "facts" on the invasion, CIA operatives and chiefs say, "We got it wrong, so sorry", book after book documenting the fiasco. And America still voted for a 2nd term for these corrupt, incompetant fools. Now, the broom of Obama has brushed this painful memory away. Let it go. Why we're escalating in Afghanistan is beyond comprehension. It's just a substitute of one nightmare for another. We simply cannot "win". Oh well, it's the American way.

By: chiefpayne568 on 7/20/09 at 8:06

Dargent,

I do find it interesting that you mention the "broom of Obama" brushing the painful memory away---and in the same post, mention you don't understand why we are escalating in Afghanistan.

Recall, Obama is the one who is escalating in Afghanistan now.

Are you now saying you regret Obama getting into office?

By: Kosh III on 7/20/09 at 8:09

dar7

We can't win in Afghanistan no one can. The British couldn't, the Russians couldn't. But none of our "leaders" want to be accused of "losing" Afghanistan, as there were all the furor over who "lost" Vietnam. (Hint: Nixon)
So we will pour more lives and money into the corrupt government and eventually may be able to devise some face-saving way to exit in a few years.

As for Cheney, Bush, Rummy, Condi etc. If there was a crime, they should hang. Why one standard for rich politicians and another for everyone else?

By: chiefpayne568 on 7/20/09 at 8:14

Kosh,

Seems there is a double standard in DC when it comes to politicians. Case in point is the Health care bill in which everyone BUT Congressmen will have to be on it. If it's so good WHY aren't THEY the first ones on it?

Now as to Nixon "losing" Vietnam...well gee, I thought eveyone was happy we left Viet Nam. Are you now saying we shouldn't have pull out?

One other thing, IF there was a crime, then I agree...they should be tried. However, I am at a loss as to the charges as there doesn't seem to be any crimes violated, as far as I can see.

By: slacker on 7/20/09 at 8:17

Kosh, if Obama withdraws our troops from Afghanistan, will you be saying he ''lost'' Afghanistan?

By: chiefpayne568 on 7/20/09 at 8:20

Slacker,

Good point. I believe Afghanistan is now Obama's war, as he chose to escalate there.

By: chiefpayne568 on 7/20/09 at 8:22

As I said, a double standard in Washington, D.C.

Health Care Stampede Continues

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=32751

FTA: "Democrats also voted down an amendment from Rep. Dean Heller (R-Nv.) that would require all Members of Congress to get insurance through the government-run plan. Apparently Democrat members of Congress do not like the government plan they’re trying to inflict on the rest of us. In a straight party line vote, Democrats voted against exempting themselves from the government-run plan by a vote of 21-18."

By: chiefpayne568 on 7/20/09 at 8:25

So much for being the most tranparent Administration ever

White House putting off release of budget update
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090720/D99I4A0G0.html

By: Kosh III on 7/20/09 at 8:34

Chief,
NO I am not saying we should have stayed in VN, we should never have been there in the first place.
I mentioned Nixon because when it became clear it could not be won, he put up the sham of "VIetnamization" to allow a face-saving withdrawal. When the inevitable uniting of the country occured, all sides accused the other side of "losing."

Slacker, I am saying that Obama would be opening himself to accusations that he "lost" Afghanistan.

By: dooley on 7/20/09 at 8:40

The point of Afghanistan is to kill binLaden . If you cut the head of a snake off then the body will die. We owe this much to our fallen on 9/11. We defeated the Taliban initially but drifted off into the unholy iraq war and didn't leave enough troops to maintain the peace.

By: dooley on 7/20/09 at 8:42

Rumsfeld and Cheney are war criminals and so is bush by proxy. They should be prosecuted. Anyone who wants to dismiss their crimes just to move forward should be just as willing to forgive Charles Manson and let him go.

By: chiefpayne568 on 7/20/09 at 8:44

Kosh,

Ok...but recall it was Kennedy who got us into VN...Nixon got us out. Granted, he did try to save face but there was no way we were going to win because the antiwar groups got too many people against it. The country did in fact unify...under a communist rule...and many people died because of it. Others sailed away on boats - aka the boat people. I have always found it ironic that the self-same antiwar groups failed to recognize these people, their position, and what part the antiwar movement led to their having to leave their country. But then, this is all history anyway.

Indeed Obama would be leaving himself open to accusations he "lost" the war...and yet that IS what you would like, is it not? For Obama to pull us out of Afghanistan?

By: chiefpayne568 on 7/20/09 at 8:44

Dooley,

What crimes are you referring to?

By: house_of_pain on 7/20/09 at 8:50

Unpaid parking tickets, chief. Lots of them.

By: slacker on 7/20/09 at 8:52

Kosh, Nixon ran on a platform of gradually withdrawing troops, and ENDING U.S. presence in Vietnam. I'm not a Nixon cheerleader but you have it wrong.

By: chiefpayne568 on 7/20/09 at 8:54

House,

I suggest they start with the UN guys who never pay theirs before going after American officials! LOL

By: dargent7 on 7/20/09 at 8:55

How can fighting The Taliban in Afghanistan possibly keep us safe at home? What is our mission; to capture Kandahar and build another $800. million Embassy and creat another "Green Zone"? And bin Laden has aged 8 years since 9/11. Two US presidential terms. It's like Castro, for God's sakes. Killing bin Laden will have zero effect on US occupation in the middle east. We had to win the hearts and minds of it's citizens, and the (majority) Muslim world hates us. If we did kill bin Laden, there'd be 10 waiting in the wings to take the helm. We're chasing our tails, yet again.

By: dargent7 on 7/20/09 at 8:56

gd: If you're in the house I have a two-fer Beatles quiz for you.

By: chiefpayne568 on 7/20/09 at 8:57

I wondered when someone would comment on this.

Health Care Bill Would Curb Job Growth by Encouraging Small Businesses to Remain Small

http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=51236

By: chiefpayne568 on 7/20/09 at 8:58

And Al Gore's legacy strikes again!

Tennessee’s Troubled ‘Public Option’ – TennCare – Could Foreshadow Obama’s Health Care Plan

http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=51238

By: slacker on 7/20/09 at 8:59

Jane Fonda probably got more soldiers killed in Vietnam than Nixon.
I know that makes me sound like a Nixon cheerleader. Push em back, push em back, Trickyyyyy...Dickeyyyy

By: slacker on 7/20/09 at 9:06

dargent, I agree with you, its an unwinnable tar pit.
You can't win in modern warfare without killing civilians.

By: chiefpayne568 on 7/20/09 at 9:09

Dargent,

As I have been there, I can truthfully say I don't see "the (majority) Muslim world hates us" in Afghanistan in particular. For the most part, most actually don't care if we are there or not. Some hate us and some like us...the majority pretty much don't care one way or the other. Still, it might have just been my perception.

By: chiefpayne568 on 7/20/09 at 9:10

Slacker,

Absolutely true...but then civilians have been killed in every war we've fought...it's just that now we are looking at them.

By: chiefpayne568 on 7/20/09 at 9:11

Slacker,

I really agree with you about Hanoi Jane!

By: chiefpayne568 on 7/20/09 at 9:15

Ok...so Sotomayor doesn't know if we have a right to self-defense, because it "is an abstract question with no particular meaning to" her. It would if someone were trying to hurt or kill her, wouldn't it? Not a hard question to answer, IMO.

Sotomayor Would Not Concede a Right to Self-Defense

http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=51222

By: dargent7 on 7/20/09 at 9:17

Chief: If Iraq was a "mistake", like Robert McNamara characterized Vietnam, trapseing into Afghanistan has to be the dumbest idea ever. Read the news? F-15A's crash, helicopters crash, IED's, dead civilians and US soldiers. It's un-winnable, whatever the goal is. Look up the word "Imperialism". Enough is enough.

By: Kosh III on 7/20/09 at 9:19

slacker

You have it wrong. Nixon ran in 68 promising that he had a "secret plan" to end the war in six months. A plan he would not reveal till after the election. It never was revealed. In May 69 Kissinger said ""Give us six months, and if we haven't ended the war by then, you can come back and tear down the White House fence."

IIRC Kennedy wanted to leave but he was killed. LBJ ramped up the war. He and Nixon were the culprits. LBJ just flat out lied.

By: chiefpayne568 on 7/20/09 at 9:25

Dargent,

I've been to Afganistan...yes I know all about the crashes, IEDs, etc. Look, if the Prez says I go, then I go. Simple as that. Will the war be over if bin Laden is killed? I doubt it. We may have gone in to get him, but we are there now to try to help the people there.

Should we just leave? That's up to the politicians and the people.

By: slacker on 7/20/09 at 9:32

Kosh, he ran stating he had a strategy, not a ''secret plan'', he also said he would withdraw x # of troops in 6mos. I don't see how Nixon was a culprit, he inherited the war. If you want to state that it could have been handled more efficiently, I would agree with you. But most things can be with in hindsight.

By: chiefpayne568 on 7/20/09 at 9:33

Slacker,

One could also say that Obama inherited Afghanistan...except that he is now escalating there, much like Johnson did in Viet Nam.

By: slacker on 7/20/09 at 9:39

chief, Obama did inherit Afghanistan, I wish he would refuse to be the executor, and declare victory and leave. The Russians wasted years in that hell hole.

By: dargent7 on 7/20/09 at 9:44

Chief: bin Laden isn't a Head of State. He isn't a President, Prime Minister, a Supreme Leader...he's a civilian from Saudi Arabia. Chasing him, to kill or capture him, is meaningless at this point. You think the US State Dept. employees will all stand up and cheer like they did when Saddam was found? It's OLD news. It's like Jeff Fisher showing the Titan's 1 yard miss in a McNair playoff game from 2000 to motivate the team in 2009. All this nostalgic, poignant stuff America feels about 9/11 ("We'll Never Forget", "Freedom Towers") is NOT going to fix our problems.

By: dargent7 on 7/20/09 at 9:48

BTW: Slacker and Kosh III, I think we're all on the same page. How the Chief and Bend-O can continue the tried and true, but insane, "We won" crap is beyond me.
But then, I never was in the miliary so I have no idea how they process information and think reasonably. Or sleep at night.

By: chiefpayne568 on 7/20/09 at 9:50

Dargent,

You are correct. Bin Laden isn't a head of state or president or prime minister - he is the leader of a bunch of thugs. While one could say his death or imprisionment is meaningless, bin Laden DID claim responsibility for 9/11...the man bragged about it. If we get him, then we can feel like we did what we could for those who died. Just my opinion.

By: chiefpayne568 on 7/20/09 at 9:51

Dargent,

I sleep quite well every night, thanks. I do what I am lawfully ordered to do. And I have no problems doing it either. Thanks for asking though.

By: chiefpayne568 on 7/20/09 at 9:54

Slacker,

The Russians were there to conquer the Afghans and take over their country....which wasn't very smart of them. Even Alexander the Great couldn't do that.

However, we AREN'T there to conquer them...that is not our mission.

By: idgaf on 7/20/09 at 9:59

My comment was erased too. It was

Dooley get help.

By: brrrrk on 7/20/09 at 10:06

On a lighter note, it seems that those "uber" moral guys at C Street are at it again....

"Now comes word that Leisha Pickering is suing a woman for allegedly stealing her ex-husband, former congressman Chip Pickering Jr. of Mississippi. And yes, she says they had an affair while he was a C Streeter -- and that there was even bad behavior at the sacred house itself."

HWJS.... How Would Jesus Swing?

By: chiefpayne568 on 7/20/09 at 10:10

Oops! I guess the UK audience wasn't into liberal airport security jokes, post 9/11.

ABBREVIATED JANEANE

http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/abbreviated_janeane/

By: brrrrk on 7/20/09 at 10:18

I also understand that the residents of C Street are going to produce a remake of a Cohen brothers classic movie... starring Mark Sanford, John Ensign, and up and comer Chip Pickering....

The new Title? Oh Brother, Where Art Thy Wife

By: Funditto on 7/20/09 at 10:22

Does anyone ever visit the links chief constantly posts? Just curious. It irritates me and I don't know why....

By: slacker on 7/20/09 at 10:25

chief, you know more about it than me, as you have been there. But what I have seen of the terrain on news clips, it looks like a lot of Mts. & hidey holes, & cultural fanatics.
Our military can of course maintain ground there, but is it worth the cost in our soldiers lives, and the billions of dollars spent building their country, while people are out of work here. I understand its Obamas decision not yours.

By: slacker on 7/20/09 at 10:27

Funditto, its a change of life thing probably. Take some Sally Field bone pills, and drink lots of beer.

By: chiefpayne568 on 7/20/09 at 10:41

Slacker,

I'm no expert by ANY means. You are right, especially in the North-Western region of the country...LOTS of mountains and caves and such. It's true there is a lot of places to hide.

It would be very difficult to find him.

That being said, we go where we're told to go and do what we're told to do...as long as they are lawful orders.

By: chiefpayne568 on 7/20/09 at 10:43

Funditto,

You are entitled to disregard my links to various articles. BTW, to answer your question, there are a few here who do like to see them and do go to them.

I am curious about one thing though. I've noticed others have put links here as well, and yet you single me and my articles out.

Is there a specific reason you pick mine? Just curious.

By: dargent7 on 7/20/09 at 10:55

Chief: Didn't the Nazi war crimes guy's use that excuse? "I do what I'm told". "We were just following orders". Think about it.
Fun: I agree about all of his "links"...some other LTE people highlight the links in blue, so you highlight it, and the mouse clicks on the web page. Who, besides my 95 year old grandma, would take the time to punch in 40 letters and numbers?