Letters to the Editor

Thursday, August 6, 2009 at 12:00am

‘Sick bill’ needs a cure

We do need legislation to change the health insurance paradigm. We need for patients to be more responsible for paying their doctors and more responsible for their own health. We need to assume that adults are intelligent and can make wise decisions for themselves.

None of these things are in the Democrats’ bill. The more I read about this legislation, with page references and the document available for confirmation, the more I see this as a benevolent tyrant’s dream come true.

The frenzy by Democrats and President Obama to pass "health care reform" would otherwise be curious if not for the intention to keep the details fuzzy. From the Solons who brought us the $400 hammer, freezers full of cash and the GM bailout, I cannot see the wisdom in handing over total control of the "public welfare" to them.

While Medicare is currently successful, Medicaid has been a black hole. Handing supervision of my healthcare to CMS — the anonymous bureaucracy with absolute authority and more regard for rules than people — is madness.

The Democrats' "health care reform" is a sick bill. That's why there are angry citizens speaking out. Begin again with an open and honest discussion of the failings of both private sector and public sector healthcare. The Democrats' owe that to all Americans. After all, they control Congress and the White House.

Ed VanVoorhees,
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322 Comments on this post:

By: Loner on 8/6/09 at 9:39

Happy Hiroshima Day!

Yes, 64 years ago today, 260,000 souls, almost all civilians, were burned alive on the orders of President Truman - he was trying to send a message to Stalin. Too bad Truman was too stupid to write Joe a letter instead.

Pearl Harbor is fading as a memory, Hiroshima and Nagasaki will never be forgotten. Thank you, Mr. Truman.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/6/09 at 9:47

chief thinks that these special interest groups (insurance lobbiests) really care about him and that the so-called free market will work in his favor.

how naive.

By: dargent7 on 8/6/09 at 9:52

Chief: This argument of yours, or futile attempt to rationalize the isipid is real old. Bush gave the State of the Union speech. Maybe he wasn't "under oath", but who cares? He was speaking from the highest office on planet earth, to us earthlings.
That supercedes any freakin' "oath" in a court of law. And, as I told Sid, by his definition, as narrow as it may be, he did not have sexual relations with that woman"...ie., INTERCOURSE. Face to face...doggie style, spoons...whatever. His penis did NOT penetrate her vagina. A technicality? So what? Got it yet? Welcome to the real world, lawyers, and US courts. Now, admit you're wrong, and we can move on.

By: Loner on 8/6/09 at 9:53

When it comes to state-sponsored terror, nobody comes close to Uncle Sam. We snuffed out ten times the number of innocent souls in Hiroshima than we lost on 9-11.

There is only one other country that comes close to the USA in this category, with US support, the Israelis killed 100 Palestinians for every Israeli lost during the recent Gaza War - 1400 versus 14.

Interestingly, neither Hiroshima bombing nor the Gaza War were considered "war crimes" by the "civilized" world. The victors determine and define the morality of history.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/6/09 at 9:56

naive
–adjective

1. having or showing unaffected simplicity of nature or absence of artificiality; unsophisticated; ingenuous.
2. having or showing a lack of experience, judgment, or information; credulous: She's so naive she believes everything she reads. He has a very naive attitude toward politics.
3. having or marked by a simple, unaffectedly direct style reflecting little or no formal training or technique: valuable naive 19th-century American portrait paintings.
4. not having previously been the subject of a scientific experiment, as an animal.

By: Kosh III on 8/6/09 at 9:59

slacker said:
"Sal Mineo was Sicilian, he wasn't allowed to be gay."

Wrong. I got proof: "Picture it! Sicily 1922....."

By: Loner on 8/6/09 at 10:00

My math is off again, 260,000 is one hundred times as many as 2,600, not ten times as many. 100 to 1 seems to be the preferred death ratio, not ten to one, for the US and its closest ally.

But we Americans delude ourselves into believing that we are a just and compassionate people - it's self-bullshitization on a grand scale.

By: slacker on 8/6/09 at 10:06

Loner, dropping the two bombs, saved American & Japanese lives, it ended the war. More Japanese were killed by the fire bombing's, than the atomic blasts.

By: Loner on 8/6/09 at 10:08

When we get behind the wheel of our Toyotas or Hondas, or mount up on our Suzuki and Yamaha motorcycles, we might pause for a moment and reflect on what it all means...in the bigger picture of human development. Trade good - war bad.

By: dargent7 on 8/6/09 at 10:09

Loner: You are so right on. The USA has more felons per capita than any industrialized nation. More persons in jail than Burma.
Ranked 47th out of 50th in health care efficiency.
Ranked 48th out of 50 for "brains", scholastic proficiency.
Probably the most bankrupt of any nation except Uganda.
Wages insane, immoral, illegal wars based on "Imperialism" and the need to conquer.
The two atom bombs Truman dropped are a testament to our paranoid status.
Look at the USA now. If we were so great, why are we in this supine position?

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/6/09 at 10:09

anyone who could believe this has no abiltiy for reason:

http://imgur.com/2nWSh.jpg

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/6/09 at 10:10

Nemo,

And yet Bush was never impeached...because he didn't lie under oath.

Just KILLS you that Clinton was impeached and Bush wasn't, doesn't it. LOL

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/6/09 at 10:12

Blanket

"chief thinks that these special interest groups (insurance lobbiests) really care about him and that the so-called free market will work in his favor."

I hardly believe in that...however I DO believe that the special interest groups want to make a profit and will do what it takes to get one.

You, however, believe the government really cares about you and that socialism will work in your favor.

Now THAT is naive!

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/6/09 at 10:16

i have the ability to vote. i have absolutely no control over what private insurance does.

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/6/09 at 10:18

dargent

"Bush gave the State of the Union speech. Maybe he wasn't "under oath", but who cares? He was speaking from the highest office on planet earth, to us earthlings.
That supercedes any freakin' "oath" in a court of law."

Fortunately for the American people, you are incorrect, at least when it comes to the LAW of the land. Thank God for that.

"And, as I told Sid, by his definition, as narrow as it may be, he did not have sexual relations with that woman"...ie., INTERCOURSE. Face to face...doggie style, spoons...whatever. His penis did NOT penetrate her vagina. A technicality? So what? Got it yet? Welcome to the real world, lawyers, and US courts. Now, admit you're wrong, and we can move on."

Sorry but sexual relations DOES include oral sex. Don't think so? Ok...let's see: Do you call oral sex by anything other than oral SEX? For example, can an adult get put in jail for statutory rape if the adult ONLY has oral sex with a minor? Of course they can. For this to be accurate, oral sex HAS to be defined as sexual relations.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/6/09 at 10:19

what about cyber sex? phone sex?

By: Loner on 8/6/09 at 10:20

Slack, I've heard all those rationalizations before; I used to believe them, but on further review, I now believe that dropping those nukes was a huge mistake. America will always be known as the first and hopefully the only nation to use nuclear wepons on civilian population centers.

The Japanese were whipped and isolated by blockade and they posed no threat to the US or its allies when Truman ordered the killings. Revenge was a factor, most Americans celebrated the events at the time and few have ever reconsidered the morality of it all.

We have all heard the good reasons for the bombings, with a little research, one can discover the real reasons for the bombings.

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/6/09 at 10:20

Blanket,

"i have the ability to vote. i have absolutely no control over what private insurance does"

Sure you do. You can sue them, you can go to another insurance company, you can complain to the Better Business Bureau.

If this passes, do you really think you'll have control over it with your vote? Do you have control over what Medicaid, Medicare, or even Social Security does, with your vote?

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/6/09 at 10:22

Blanket,

I assume you are playing devil's advocate...Ok. The examples you mention have no physical contact and thus would be difficult to define as sexual relations per se.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/6/09 at 10:24

Sure you do. You can sue them, you can go to another insurance company, you can complain to the Better Business Bureau.

now that is naive. how do you sue them for high premiums? how do you sue them for pre-existing conditions? what good is BBB against the insurance companies?

By: slacker on 8/6/09 at 10:27

Loner, I don't dispute the revenge factor, but they refused to surrender, and it had to end. Not unlike Sherman's march to the sea, it was dirty, nasty, business but it ended the war.

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/6/09 at 10:29

Blanket,

You don't sue them for high premiums...you change insurance companies for that. You can't sue them for pre-existing conditions, because you cannot expect someone to cover you for something you already have...insurance after all is for when you contract something...if you already have it, then you keep the insurance you have.

The BBB is good against companies in that when they get a lower rating people tend to shy away from that company. You could also tell people and the news what they did to you (messed you over and didn't cover what they were supposed to) - bad advertising is a death-nail to businesses.

You can also sue them if they refuse to cover something they are supposed to cover.

Now, do you think you could do the same thing to the federal government? Good luck with that. And where else would you go if the federal government refuses to cover something? Canada?

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/6/09 at 10:31

so, according to you, everything is fine the way it is?

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/6/09 at 10:32

Republicans really don't want their lies made public:

A Republican senator is calling for the White House to suspend a new project that asks members of the public to flag “fishy” claims about President Obama’s health care plans, arguing that it raises privacy concerns and will serve to chill free speech.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2009/08/gop-senator-white-house-encroaching-on-first-amendment.html/?

they think they can lie and when it comes time to really examine their claims, they are outraged.

By: brrrrk on 8/6/09 at 10:35

Two interesting statistics about Canada's financial crisis versus America's financial crisis.

Number of dollars spent to bail out banks..
America.... at this point who knows.
Canada.... zero, zilch, nada, bupkis, a big fat goose.

Why? Because banks in Canada weren't given the opportunity to jeopardize their economy.

Percentage of houses in foreclosure..
America.... 7.2%, with 1 in 8 of the remaining mortgages in jeopardy.
Canada.... 0.4%

No, that's not a mistype. Only 4 tenths of 1 percent of houses are in foreclosure. We can dream, can't we?

By: Loner on 8/6/09 at 10:36

Yes, we can do better. President Obama is already cleaning up our international image.

A recent Pew poll indicated that America's image has significantly improved almost everywhere, since Obama was sworn in. One notable exception is in Israel, where the Netanyahu-led militants are getting antsy about the "special relationship". Obama always ranked near the bottom of the list of contenders for US President, according to Israeli internal polling. Now that he is in power, the doom and gloom is spreading across the Jewish State - just read the Jerusalem Post, Haaretz or Ynet and see for yourselves.

I hate to say it again, but the last time a sitting US President pissed off the Israelis, he did not live long. Mister Obama, watch your back.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/6/09 at 10:36

Five right-wing myths about healthcare reform, and the facts

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2009/08/06/healthcare/index.html

By: brrrrk on 8/6/09 at 10:41

Blanketnazi2

This site debunks the myths as well.

http://pleasecutthecrap.com/

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/6/09 at 10:42

pleasecutthecrap.com - now that's awesome!

By: brrrrk on 8/6/09 at 10:43

Did Jesus have to get pre-approval to raise Lazarus from the dead?

By: brrrrk on 8/6/09 at 10:45

Was Jesus told he couldn't cure the Lepers because it was a pre-existing condition?

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/6/09 at 10:45

By: brrrrk on 8/6/09 at 11:43
Did Jesus have to get pre-approval to raise Lazarus from the dead?

Yes, because it was a pre-existing condition. But he head to get the approval from God and the Holy Ghost which are other entites of his multiple personality disorder, so it was all good.

By: house_of_pain on 8/6/09 at 10:45

Death is a pre-existing condition and is not covered.

By: slacker on 8/6/09 at 10:49

Which brings up the question, do they charge you for your space at the body farm?

By: Loner on 8/6/09 at 10:49

Slack, they may have been reluctant to surrender before Horoshima, but not after Hiroshima. We did not give the Japanese very much time to consider surrender before hitting them again, in Nagasaki. They were still reeling from the shock and horror of it all when we struck again.

The second nuking was purely punitive, though some argue that we needed to do it so that the Russians would think that we had a huge arsenal of nuclear bombs. Again, flimsy rationalizations for a murderous, racist rampage upon hundreds of thousands of innocent and utterly defenseless human beings.

No, in my opinion, the two nukings were mass murder and we should atone for our sins, not rationalize them.

By: pswindle on 8/6/09 at 10:53

I tjhought that I had great health-care, but Blue Cross is now denying me coverage for a condition that I have had for years. I have TMJ and several years ago, I had to get a mouth-piece, and the insurance covered it. Now that I have had dental work the mouth-piece no longer fits, but the insurance company said no, If they can deny me this coverage, most people do not have a chance of getting coverage when it is badly needed. Just because you have coverage, that does not mean that your condition is covered.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/6/09 at 10:55

very true, pswindle.

By: slacker on 8/6/09 at 10:56

Loner, I thought you were an atheist.
That second bomb was for Pearl harbor & the Bataan death march.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/6/09 at 10:58

check out the militant atheist:

http://www.atheistcartoons.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/unholy_trinity3.jpg

By: gdiafante on 8/6/09 at 11:00

"so, according to you, everything is fine the way it is?"

Does this surprise you? If we could tax Chief's whine we'd have a budget surplus.

By: gdiafante on 8/6/09 at 11:01

The bombs were necessary. Japan would have never surrended otherwise.

By: brrrrk on 8/6/09 at 11:02

pswindle.. You're denial of service just upped their profits.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/6/09 at 11:04

By: gdiafante on 8/6/09 at 12:00
"so, according to you, everything is fine the way it is?"

Does this surprise you? If we could tax Chief's whine we'd have a budget surplus.

Got that right.

cantankerous
adj.
Ill-tempered and quarrelsome; disagreeable

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/6/09 at 11:05

querulous:
adj.

Given to complaining; peevish.
Expressing a complaint or grievance; grumbling

By: Loner on 8/6/09 at 11:07

As for Sherman's march to the sea, again, I think it was not only mean-spirited and cruel but also counterproductive. In spite of that, Sherman was considered a hero in the North. They named a tank after the guy.

Speaking of American home-grown atrocitiies, Andrew Jackson forced tens of thousands of American native peoples to relocate to reservations "out West" - by way of forced march and US Army prodding. Still, the guy is considered a hero and his likeness is on our $20 bill.

We ripped off Texas and most of the Southwest from Mexico we ripped Spain for Hawaii and the Phillipines. Might makes right?

Today, the tradition of manifest destiny continues. We are helping the colonists in the Jewish State in their moden-day efforts to round-up, uproot, relocate and/or isolate the natives. Oh, we are a blessed people, are we not?

By: house_of_pain on 8/6/09 at 11:08

I heard someone use "misunderestimate" the other day.
Can you define that one?

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/6/09 at 11:10

house, i think it's up there with misremembered - lol!

By: house_of_pain on 8/6/09 at 11:11

Don't use your strategery on me, Blanket.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/6/09 at 11:17

Hiroshima pictures:

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/08/hiroshima_64_years_ago.html

By: brrrrk on 8/6/09 at 11:17

I heard a quote last night that I think perfectly defines the Republican opposition the any health care reform.

"Reason is not automatic. Those who deny it cannot be conquered by it"