Letters to the Editor

Thursday, August 6, 2009 at 11:00pm

Don’t let the door hit you…

As a current state employee, I am wondering if state Sen. [Paul] Stanley will be treated the same as other state employees who leave service under scrutinized terms.

As a state employee, I work for the citizens of Tennessee, just like the legislators who were elected into office and their salaries are paid for by tax dollars. If an employee does leave under circumstances that are not in the best interest of the employer and make the employee look incompetent, then the employee loses all sick time, vacation and comp time accumulated during their years of service.

Since Stanley is leaving under these type conditions I do hope he is treated the same as a employee that is literally fired and not under a rehire rights type provision placed in their file. He does deserve the pension as all employees who have five years government service earn and is totally within their legal right to process and receive the benefits due him.

So, I do hope that he is being treated just as any other employee who works for the state and is not given preferential treatment due to his rank in and of government service. He gets his pension but paychecks stop the next pay period after his resignation and not after burning accumulated leave time.

Gower Mills, 37209

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143 Comments on this post:

By: Captain Nemo on 8/7/09 at 2:22

Good morning Nashville,

Here is thursdays alien count.

2 from Alustria 3 from England 2 Scotland 7 Vulcans 2 Borg 32 so far Klingons( not counting the actors) and 2 Texans.

Klingons do n
know how to party.

By: Captain Nemo on 8/7/09 at 3:15

It just kills the Chief conservatives whinners (sic) that they spent all of that time and money trying to get Clinton out of office and he still finish all 8 years. While Newt and others that lead the charge were ran out of office for the very reason they damned Clinton.

By: daKine7 on 8/7/09 at 5:48

Arguing with Chief about what constitutes sex and what peole beliefs are about the activity is downright useless. He should write a book and then focus on college campus's and high school auditoriums nationwide telling 90% of the student body they are no longer virgins since they engaged in oral sex. Then thell their daddies they cannot give them away in marriage since they're all sluts. And certainly cannot wear white.
How anyone can think Clinton fibbing under oath about his personal sex life rises to the same level as Bush's dog & pony show called The State of the Union is beyond the pale.
I'm going light on this board today...I don't want to ruin my weekend with nonsense.

By: house_of_pain on 8/7/09 at 6:24

d7, I hope you're not giving any cigars to your intern.
She sounds like she could use one, though.

By: daKine7 on 8/7/09 at 6:49

d'pain: I think in medical terms "she had a meltdown" yesterday. But, with cigars, I have the same problem Clinton had: I don't know where to stick them.

By: Funditto on 8/7/09 at 6:59

Ah. Titans Rookie stretching for an early morning run. Gonna be a good day!

By: Kosh III on 8/7/09 at 7:18

At least one comment relating to the LTE

Members of the Legislature do not get sick leave, or annual leave and rehiring can be done if the electorate is stupid enough to do so.

By: house_of_pain on 8/7/09 at 7:36

I can see right now that Funditto isn't going to leave the house today.
Did you check the Vanderbilt web site for jobs?

By: dargent7 on 8/7/09 at 7:38

d'pain: So when women tell me to "stick it", that means they want the cigar in their mouth's? That explains their facial expressions. Who'd of thought?

By: house_of_pain on 8/7/09 at 7:40

Mysterious creatures, indeed. I still haven't figured out their language.

By: slacker on 8/7/09 at 8:02

nemo, you are representing Nashville, make us proud. Let them know we were so close in getting that UFO landing pad here.

By: slacker on 8/7/09 at 8:09

Mr. Mills, do all part time state employee's receive a pension?

By: Loner on 8/7/09 at 8:29

Good morning, Nashville!

It's a beautiful day on the Erie Canal, I hope that it's just as awesome along the Cumberland this fine nmorning.

Dunno what the severance rules for state-level politicians thrown over the transom are, in your neck of the woods; in the Empire State, state employees have unions to defend their rights, management types usually are on their own. The LTE sounds like misery wanting company and a bit of schadenfreude.

It's a Friday. This board will endure through the weekend. We may want to conserve space, I am sick of the page number hassle when posting after page one...any Amens on that?

By: house_of_pain on 8/7/09 at 8:37

Amen. Don't count on avoiding it today, though.

By: Loner on 8/7/09 at 8:43

As for Bill Clinton, the guy had the decency and the caljones to honor the request of the families of those two captives. It could have been a trap and if the mission had failed, the right-wingers would have ridiculed Bill ad nauseum. He took some personal risks and I hope that he is remembered for things like this and not his alleged tryst(s).

By: house_of_pain on 8/7/09 at 8:44

On this day in 1882, my people began a most noble quest:
ridding the world of those nasty Hatfields.

By: Loner on 8/7/09 at 8:51

Thanks for shaing that, Mr. McCoy. Cap'n Nemo, did Dr. McCoy ever mention the family feud?

By: Loner on 8/7/09 at 8:51

shaing = sharing....my bad.

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/7/09 at 8:58

Nemo,

"It just kills the Chief conservatives whinners (sic) that they spent all of that time and money trying to get Clinton out of office and he still finish all 8 years. While Newt and others that lead the charge were ran out of office for the very reason they damned Clinton."

Doesn't bother me at all frankly. Clinton got caught, that's all.

I bet it just kills you, Nemo, that Bush was in office all 8 years and never got impeached. Must tear you up inside.

By: Loner on 8/7/09 at 9:02

Bush was never impeached, as Clinton was, but Clinton never had anyone throw their shoes at him....except for Hillary.

By: slacker on 8/7/09 at 9:03

Hey pain, I always thought Bobby Hatfield of the Righteous Brothers death was suspicious. Where were you 11/05/03?

By: house_of_pain on 8/7/09 at 9:05

I was at home, slacker. Alone. Cleaning my shotgun.

By: slacker on 8/7/09 at 9:06

lol

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/7/09 at 9:06

DaKine7

"Arguing with Chief about what constitutes sex and what peole beliefs are about the activity is downright useless."

There's no argument to be made. Oral sex IS sex. If you don't think so, then the next time a guy going to a hooker gets a BJ and is busted for it, it should be thrown out of court, right?

"How anyone can think Clinton fibbing under oath about his personal sex life rises to the same level as Bush's dog & pony show called The State of the Union is beyond the pale."

Clintons "fibbing under oath" was PERJURY. If you or I had done that we would be in jail right now. Clinton got off light on that, just paying a fine and losing his license to practise law. You can complain all you want, but Clinton broke the law and was impeached because of it.

And no matter what else you think of Bush, as far as I can tell, he never broke the law while in office...and so was never impeached.

By: Loner on 8/7/09 at 9:08

Pain, are you barefoot and do you wear bib overalls over your bare chest with one strap dangling to the side? Benny Hill did the best hillbilly impersonation, IMHO.

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/7/09 at 9:08

Loner,

"Bush was never impeached, as Clinton was, but Clinton never had anyone throw their shoes at him....except for Hillary."

Well gee, which would one prefer? To be impeached or to have shoes of some Arabic person thrown at him? Hummm...decisions, decisions.

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/7/09 at 9:12

Loner,

"As for Bill Clinton, the guy had the decency and the caljones to honor the request of the families of those two captives. It could have been a trap and if the mission had failed, the right-wingers would have ridiculed Bill ad nauseum. He took some personal risks and I hope that he is remembered for things like this and not his alleged tryst(s)."

I will give Clinton cudos for going there. It could have been a trap or whatever. Unfortunately, his place in history as President is pretty much fixed because of the impeachment...as is Johnson as the first impeached President. Clinton did do some good things...but the impeachment is what he will be remembered for.

By: house_of_pain on 8/7/09 at 9:16

As a child, yes. But we evolved quickly and made the transition to Dickies.

By: MamaG on 8/7/09 at 9:22

Good morning all! Loner, it is indeed, a glorious day here in Nashville. Benny Hill--I haven't thought of him in a long time and I used to love his show.

Neme, I hope you've been having fun out there. Have you been gambling? I hope you hit a big jackpot if you are!

By: Loner on 8/7/09 at 9:32

Chief, loyal to his former CINC, says, "And no matter what else you think of Bush, as far as I can tell, he never broke the law while in office..."

Sorry to be forced to disabuse you of your erroneous beliefs, Chief, but Bush ignored or bypassed the FISA Laws with those unwarranted wiretaps etc.

Bush relegated the Geneva Conventions to "quaint relic" status. He signed off on extraordinary rendition as well as waterboarding and other banned interrogation methods.

Bush did not wait for an official blessing from the UN before invading Iraq, he took this nation to war on trumped up charges, false pretexts, misinformation and wishfull thinking.

Bush gave us Gitmo and Abu Ghraib.

Bush shielded then pardoned the person responsible for outing a covert CIA agent.

Bush got away with these high crimes, Bill Clinton, however, was impeached for lying to Congress about a blow job. Clinton had a blow job, Bush blew the job.

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/7/09 at 9:33

Well, apparently there are some in the medical community that don't like the healthcare plan.

Physicians speak out on health care bill
Many say the costly plan won't fix problems

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/6563705.html

By: BenDover on 8/7/09 at 9:39

I'd sure love to have Clinton & Co. back over that wackey comedy troupe of socialism and racial hypersensitivity that resides in the White House now.

By: BenDover on 8/7/09 at 9:40

Feel free to report me to so I can be added to their enemies list of people who disagree with the president's politics.

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/7/09 at 9:46

Loner,

"Sorry to be forced to disabuse you of your erroneous beliefs, Chief, but Bush ignored or bypassed the FISA Laws with those unwarranted wiretaps etc. "

Sorry but those were covered under the Homeland Security laws.

"Bush relegated the Geneva Conventions to "quaint relic" status. He signed off on extraordinary rendition as well as waterboarding and other banned interrogation methods. "

Geneva Conventions mention prisioners of war...not civilians. A slight point, I'll grant you...but then I haven't heard anyone specifically address this issue.

"Bush did not wait for an official blessing from the UN before invading Iraq, he took this nation to war on trumped up charges, false pretexts, misinformation and wishfull thinking. "

The ceasefire Saddam signed specifically said he had to comply or the war would be renewed. After being warned multiple times from Bush about compliance, the war was renewed by the US and some of our allies. While the UN did not bless it, the ceasefire signed allowed for it.

"Bush gave us Gitmo and Abu Ghraib."
They had to be housed somewhere...unless you didn't want us to take any of the civilian prisoners. Abeit, that WOULD have been easier all the way around.

"Bush shielded then pardoned the person responsible for outing a covert CIA agent. "

A covert CIA agent who was a desk jockey, not a field agent...and who had others in DC who knew she worked there.

"ush got away with these high crimes, Bill Clinton, however, was impeached for lying to Congress about a blow job. Clinton had a blow job, Bush blew the job."

BUT if someone thought they could try Bush for highcrimes, then why didn't they do it?

By: BenDover on 8/7/09 at 10:00

"BUT if someone thought they could try Bush for highcrimes, then why didn't they do it?"

Because unfounded frothing political vitriol is neutralized by the facts coming out in a real court case.

By: Loner on 8/7/09 at 10:01

Chief just don't get it, do he? (I'll try the Hillbilly dialect)

The shoes of that "Arabic person" symbolize the hate and resentment towards America that exists on the steets of Iraq and across that region of the world. We Americans have paid dearly for that invasion in time, troops and treasure and the end result is general antipathy towards America and Americans.

Those hurled Arabic shoes are not the sole evidence of a colossal failure in American leadership under Junior Bush, the financial meltdown under his watch was the other shoe dropping. Bush was in bed with the War Lobby while Rome burned.

When the dust of history settles, the fellatio incident may be viewed as an abuse of Congressional Power and political theater. The Iraq War may be viewed as one of America's biggest and costliest blunders.

Being impeached because of a BJ is better than being remembered as a foolish, blundering president. Time will tell.

By: Dragon on 8/7/09 at 10:01

"Bush did not wait for an official blessing from the UN before invading Iraq,"

What law did this break?

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/7/09 at 10:07

Looks like AARP are going to lose a lot of members over this. I can guarantee you they won't get me into that group now...even though they've been asking me to join.

AARP Organizers Cancel ‘Listening Session’ After Participants Refuse to ‘Keep Their Comments Quiet’

http://www.breitbart.tv/aarp-reps-cancel-listening-session-after-participants-refuse-to-keep-their-comments-quiet/

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/7/09 at 10:10

asinine
ajd

1 : extremely or utterly foolish
2 : of, relating to, or resembling an ass

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/7/09 at 10:13

Loner,

"The shoes of that "Arabic person" symbolize the hate and resentment towards America that exists on the steets of Iraq and across that region of the world. We Americans have paid dearly for that invasion in time, troops and treasure and the end result is general antipathy towards America and Americans. "

Oh I get it...I just don't care that ONE guy didn't like the US. I've been to Afghanistan and a lot of the people there like us a lot. Not everyone to be sure but a lot do. Same applies in Iraq, according to what my fellow soldiers tell me...but I may be finding out about that for sure in a few months. I'll let you know if I'm going or not.

"When the dust of history settles, the fellatio incident may be viewed as an abuse of Congressional Power and political theater. The Iraq War may be viewed as one of America's biggest and costliest blunders. "

Guess we'll just have to wait and see just how history will view them. I suspect the fellation incident will be remembered widely...and the Iraq War will be remembered
along the lines of Desert Storm, Korea, etc. (i.e. nothing to write home about) mainly because the Iraq war will be considered just another war, while the second impeachment in American history will be a marker. Not comparing the two, just making an assumption based on historical significance.

"Being impeached because of a BJ is better than being remembered as a foolish, blundering president. Time will tell.'

I agree...time will tell.

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/7/09 at 10:19

Flushing more money down the drain.

Fannie Mae seeks $10.7B in US aid after 2Q loss
Fannie Mae seeks $10.7 billion in new US aid after posting $15.2 billion second-quarter loss

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Fannie-Mae-seeks-107B-in-US-apf-3979081619.html?x=0&.v=10

By: Loner on 8/7/09 at 10:19

With a big "BUT", Chief asks, "BUT if someone thought they could try Bush for highcrimes, then why didn't they do it?"

Because the Democrats are in bed with the War Lobby too, Chief. Half of them voted to authorize the invasion, the other half were too timid to complain, they too take lobbyist cash and they didn't want to stir up trouble or appear unpatriotic.

Not only that, the "Impeach Bush - Cheney" movement was marginalized by the media. Anyone calling for impeachment was branded as some type of kook or nutjob.

By: BenDover on 8/7/09 at 10:22

Wonder why Clinton was disbarred? Could it be that he lied in sworn testimony about a relevant fact in a court case where he was the defendant?

I still like the guy though. Good job with the girls in N Korea... this on top of bringing peace to Northern Ireland. We could do a lot worse for a president. Oh... wait... with Obama we did. Obama will only suffer by comparison with Bill's face back in the media.

I don't know about Bush or Clinton but media malfeasance will be the history that's written about the Obama's rise to power. The collective dirty knees of a swooning press have been and are the real story of this presidency.

By: house_of_pain on 8/7/09 at 10:27

Blanket, I thought I heard you singing along with 'Nashville Jumps' this morning.
Was that you belting out "The Spinach Song"?

By: Kosh III on 8/7/09 at 10:35

"Thanks for shaing that, Mr. McCoy. Cap'n Nemo, did Dr. McCoy ever mention the family feud?"

Dammit Jim, I'm a McCoy not a Hatfield!!!

By: Loner on 8/7/09 at 10:35

Thank you, Dragon, I expected someone to ask that.

As a Charter Member of the United Nations, as a permanent member of its Security Council, as the host nation for its headquarters and as its chief financial backer (when we pay our dues) it behooves this nation to adhere to our signed commitments and follow the rules that we Americans enshrined in the UN Charter at the close of WW2..

UN bashing has become standard procedure for the Republican Party and its media darlings. The UN has been equated with the New World Order and the future realm of the coming Anti-Christ; just tune in to any "Christian" media outlet and see/hear the hate for yourself.

My hope for change is that, under Obama, the USA will renew its commitments to the UN and to the rule of law by setting a positive example of human decency, generosity, hope, prosperity and civility.

By: Kosh III on 8/7/09 at 10:36

Just to clarify

Clinton may have been impeached, but he was ACQUITTED at his trial. Innocent until proven guilty. Ever hear of that??

By: CAH on 8/7/09 at 10:40

Bush didn't pardon Libby. He only commuted the prison sentence. All other sanctions still applied.

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/7/09 at 10:40

Loner,

"Because the Democrats are in bed with the War Lobby too, Chief. Half of them voted to authorize the invasion, the other half were too timid to complain, they too take lobbyist cash and they didn't want to stir up trouble or appear unpatriotic. "

Or could it have been that there was no clear breaking of the law which could have been used to impeach him on? I mean really. With Clinton, they had court transcripts in which he was placed under oath and then the place where he lied...that was pretty concrete evidence. But much of what is being touted as Bush breaking the law is pretty hazy at best. Still, I wouldn't argue that both Democrats and Republicans are in bet with lobbyists...and still are to this day.

"Not only that, the "Impeach Bush - Cheney" movement was marginalized by the media. Anyone calling for impeachment was branded as some type of kook or nutjob."

That was mainly because there was no clear cut breaking of the law. My point was, if Bush could have been impeached, don't you think he would have been? There were a number of Democrats chomping at the bit to get him impeached, especially during his last 2 years in office.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/7/09 at 10:41

By: house_of_pain on 8/7/09 at 10:27
Blanket, I thought I heard you singing along with 'Nashville Jumps' this morning.
Was that you belting out "The Spinach Song"?

yep, that was me!