Letters to the Editor

Wednesday, August 12, 2009 at 12:00am

Clinton should be commended

It seems that the hatred and vitriol exhibited by the fringe right wing nuts when Bill Clinton’s name is even mentioned has resurfaced and probably will linger until they all die out.

It's a shame that the ignorant and uncalled for remarks hurled at former president Clinton by these imbeciles because of his act of mercy in going to North Korea on a mission as a private American citizen to try to get two young ladies released from prison and a 12-year sentence of hard labor and was successful.

For this deed he should be held in the highest esteem by all Americans and not vilified for his actions as the ultra right wing are determined to do.

I along with the most Americans appreciate from the bottom of our hearts that Clinton was able to speak for these young women with a voice of reason which resulted in their release instead of threatening with a fake cowboy bravado that they have been used to for the past eight years.

This in itself showed that Americans as a whole are not a bunch of brash bullies. Rush, go to rehab please, and take Mr. Bush with you.

C.W. Clouse, 37209

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249 Comments on this post:

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/12/09 at 2:51

William Kostric the man with a loaded firearm and a placard that says “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of tyrants and patriots” at the Town Hall meeting of President Obama held at Portsmouth, New Hampshire regarding health policies and issues

crazy right wingnuts.

http://www.makli.com/william-kostric-005425/

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/12/09 at 2:51

brrrrk on 8/12/09 at 2:36

"Interesting that you should draw a distinction. Both are acts of charity. Why can't it be Christian Welfare versus Government Charity? Seems the intent is to demonize the Government by using semantics."

Not really...the government takes the money from people to give to the poor in an act of redistribution of wealth. This is enforced giving without the motivation to give willingly...big difference.

"Hmmm.. really? Tell that to a guy that worked a good paying middle class factory job for 30 years; only to find out that his job is being outsourced and he's being laid off at the age of 55. He did everything right, he came to work, he was productive, he did everything that was expected of him. A man can only be held responsible for that over which he has absolute control."

That is the point exactly...since you have no control over how much the government takes from you for "charitable" contributions, you have no responsibility and hence no charity in your heart or willingness to give for it.

"Sounds like you're looking for the proverbial pat on the back. I was always taught by my parents that charity in and of itself is it's own reward. I expect neither salvation nor reciprocity. Does giving to a charity or volunteering make me feel good? Yes. But that's not my goal."

No, the point of charity is it's own reward...but by that token if it is not charity when someone takes your money to give to someone else, then it is not in and of itself a reward.

"Finally, you seem to argue that only religious institutions are qualified to provide aid. Again, really? And can you guarantee that an institution like a church, who's whole system of belief is built around subjective interpretations of life, can fairly distribute aid without malice, prejudice or acts of evangelism? Say what you will about Government charity, but at least it aspires to the idea of being blind to all but need."

Ah no, I never said only religious institutions are qualified to provide aid...I SAID that only if you give willingly and freely and of your own volition, are you truly giving charity. Anything less is not charity but government intervention to redistribute wealth.

"Oh, one more thing. I can't believe that you would consider a non-profit institution funded by public donations to be more efficient than a private organization. Why that's so socialist of you. :-) "

Sorry but I never said such a thing....hence I am not socialist. Thanks.

By: gdiafante on 8/12/09 at 2:52

Interesting...

http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/07/14/heart.stem.cells/index.html

By: slacker on 8/12/09 at 2:53

A rubber duck is as impervious to balmy weather, as rubber chicken.
~Soupy Sales

By: gdiafante on 8/12/09 at 2:54

Yeah, that's a quote from Thomas Jefferson, blanket.

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/12/09 at 2:55

Wow! Now THIS guy I feel sorry for!

Husband jumps in river to escape nagging

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_3434479.html

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/12/09 at 2:59

By: gdiafante on 8/12/09 at 2:54
Yeah, that's a quote from Thomas Jefferson, blanket.

indeed it is. just used way out of context. showing up at a Town Hall meeting with a gun yet the right says that they are there to truly discuss issues rather than detract. Disgusting, really.

By: gdiafante on 8/12/09 at 3:01

Founding fathers and Bible quotes are most often quoted way out of context. That guy is a certified nut though.

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/12/09 at 3:02

Blanket,

While I agree that the man MUST be a nut - I'm sort of amazed he didn't get nailed by the Secret Service.

BTW, just was WAS the context of the quote from Thomas Jefferson?

By: gdiafante on 8/12/09 at 3:03

The French revolution. He was attempting to defend the bloodshed.

By: CAH on 8/12/09 at 3:03

By: gdiafante on 8/12/09 at 2:36
"The market is up because of upbeat economic news, such as the Fed leaving the interest rate alone. Obama's numbers are down because of the blacklash against health care reform.

I wrote that in the simplist terms possible for you CAH, stop watching Spongebob and pay attention."

Well, they didn't leave it alone enough. They made a change in the mortgage rate rules that will allow those rates to go up. How much? We will have to wait and see.

By: CAH on 8/12/09 at 3:10

Yes, the guy very well could be a nut, rightwing or otherwise. He does have the right to carry the weapon though as long as it isn't against any state or municipal restriction. The Constitution guarantees it.

Rather than nut, a more apt description would be stupid. Carrying openly or hidden anywhere near the President is not a smart thing to do.

By: gdiafante on 8/12/09 at 3:13

Really, the Constitution guarantees that? Who knew? Thank you Mr. Obvious!!

By: brrrrk on 8/12/09 at 3:18

Blanketnazi2,

What's rarely talked about regarding Jefferson's "tree of liberty " line is the context in which it was written. It was contained in a letter written to William Smith in 1787. This was six years before the French Reign of Terror (1793-1794) which had a profound effect on Jefferson and caused him to question his own "tree of liberty " statement.

By: gdiafante on 8/12/09 at 3:20

See, I was having doubts about the French thing, wasn't it about the constitution debate? That he thought, at one time, that each generation should write their own Constitution or something? I can't remember.

Maybe a busybody will look it up for us (nod to Chief)

By: CAH on 8/12/09 at 3:21

BTW, a wingnut is a nut, usually metal, that has protuberances, called "Wings" that extend to both sides and is used to tighten down on a bolt. A 'right wingnut' tightens to the right while a 'left wingnut' tightens to the left.

This type of nut should not be confused with a 'rightwing nut' or a 'leftwing nut'. Those are both nuts that cant to one side or the other.

By: brrrrk on 8/12/09 at 3:23

Speaking of Jefferson's letter to Smith, it contains this quote that I find interesting in light of the misinformation that is going around concerning health care reform...

"The British ministry have so long hired their gazetteers to repeat and model into every form lies about our being in anarchy, that the world has at length believed them, the English nation has believed them, the ministers themselves have come to believe them, & what is more wonderful, we have believed them ourselves."

By: gdiafante on 8/12/09 at 3:29

The irony is that Jefferson spread his own lies, backhanded and through other people, throughout his political career. He was a masterful political tactician behind the scenes because he had an aversion to confrontration. Not to mention a very substantial hypocrit when it came to slavery, government expansion and executive powers.

By: slacker on 8/12/09 at 3:31

Anybody that would show up at a town meeting, openly carrying a weapon with the President there, should have been slapped silly, and escorted out.
The the secret service let the president down.

By: brrrrk on 8/12/09 at 3:38

gdiafante,

I don't think it's really fair to pin the hypocrite label on Jefferson regarding slavery. Let's not forget that he was still a product of his times. I have no doubt that he truly believed that all men were created equal in his own way, but at the same time he was a pragmatist. He understood the dangers of being a "free" black man in the colonies at that time; which is to say that as a black man you were free only as long as there was a white man close by to back up your statement that you were truly a free man. There were many slaves living on plantations that were captured after being freed. Jefferson knew that.

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/12/09 at 3:42

Gdia,

Well, according to one source, he wrote it in justification of Shay's Rebelliion while in France, and while there, the French Revolution took off and he wrote it again with respect to that.

http://tinyurl.com/quwuhm

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/12/09 at 3:46

brrrrk,

And let's not forget that in trying to create the Declaration of Independence, they were beset by a number of differing opinions on slavery. It was frankly hard enough just getting all of them to agree with the declaration...getting them to ban slavery at that time would have made passing the declaration impossible.

Most just weren't ready to give up slavery.

By: gdiafante on 8/12/09 at 3:51

Incorrect Chief, slavery really wasn't an issue in declaring Independence from England. The slavery issue arose in the Constitutional Convention, and the resulting document was a result of a compromise...basically putting off the issue in order to preserve the union.

By: BenDover on 8/12/09 at 3:54

"yet the right says that they are there to truly discuss issues rather than detract"... 'discuss'? That's Obama's word... that's Pelosi's word. I don't want to 'discuss'... I want to tell my reps in no uncertain terms that I'm against it and if they are doing their job of representing me they'll be against it too.

Obama's trying to change the rules of the game with this whole 'discuss' meme. They've been putting the high pressure washington squeeze on our Reps. for months. Now it's time for the people they serve to get a seat at the table and make their case known.

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/12/09 at 3:57

Gdia,

Hummm...well, if it wasn't an issue, then why did the founding fathers have to compromise with the Three-Fifths Compromise.

It was a compromise between Southern and Northern states in 1787 in which three-fifths of the population of slaves would be counted for enumeration purposes regarding both the distribution of taxes and the apportionment of the members of the United States House of Representatives.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/12/09 at 3:57

Ben, there's been so much misinformation floating around, wouldn't you like to know if the perceptions you have are correct before you condemn it?

By: gdiafante on 8/12/09 at 4:02

Chief, that' is the Constitution. The Declaration of Independence was in 1776...jeez

By: gdiafante on 8/12/09 at 4:04

Blanket, all these people yelling at their representatives for not reading the bills...have they? The blind leading the blind.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/12/09 at 4:09

g, my problem is that the yellers are not there for information or civil discussion, they are there to disrupt. that is not the meaning of freedom of speech.

By: gdiafante on 8/12/09 at 4:14

Nope, and the hostility some are showing, pure hatred...these people have issues.

By: BenDover on 8/12/09 at 4:28

"my problem is that the yellers are not there for information or civil discussion, they are there to disrupt. that is not the meaning of freedom of speech"

wtf? That's the ACME OF FREE SPEECH!

We're pissed off that our representative are considering shoving such a huge government entitlement down our throats during a time of huge deficits without any discussion or even reading it and there's nothing wrong with us letting them know it. The government cannot afford to pay for this. I don't care about their spin or Obama-Pelosi talking points or anything else. They need to shut up and listen to the people they represent... the people who will have to pay for this boondoggle.

http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/files/2009/04/obamadebt.jpg

By: slacker on 8/12/09 at 4:31

A crowd shouting down someone is counterproductive, but they do have legitimate issues, and I'm not speaking about their behavior.
The country has not been this divided since the beginning of the Civil war.

By: gdiafante on 8/12/09 at 4:32

Moron

Noun - a person who is notably stupid or lacking in good judgment.

By: brrrrk on 8/12/09 at 4:33

Right, two thirds of the wealth in this country is held by about 1 percent of the population... and WE can't afford a civilized health care plan. A mule on a farm gets better care. Talk about a field hand mentality.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/12/09 at 4:35

Ben, the Town Hall meetings ARE for discussion, not screaming. They want to listen and also be heard. You know, DISCUSS things.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/12/09 at 4:35

By: slacker on 8/12/09 at 4:31
A crowd shouting down someone is counterproductive, but they do have legitimate issues, and I'm not speaking about their behavior.
The country has not been this divided since the beginning of the Civil war.

I agree.

*sigh*

By: gdiafante on 8/12/09 at 4:36

Inciting a riot is not free speech, and that is where all this is headed if cooler minds don't prevail.

You're right slacker, about the division.

By: house_of_pain on 8/12/09 at 4:38

I don't like division. Especially long division.
I'll leave that to the accountants, thank you.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/12/09 at 4:40

even i don't like division, house. however, i do like pi.

By: house_of_pain on 8/12/09 at 4:42

lol

By: gdiafante on 8/12/09 at 4:42

Who doesn't, Blanket? lol

By: brrrrk on 8/12/09 at 4:43

The irony is that even if the birthers/deathers do gain some ground, they'll not be able to hold it for long. There's a new generation coming along that will never join the newest incarnation of the GOP. Look around folks, the times they are a changing... whether you believe or not.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/12/09 at 4:43

i'm not really into gross numbers. they're not particularly honest.

By: slacker on 8/12/09 at 4:44

gdiafante, of course I'm right, I'm always right.
I'm also humble and damn good looking.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/12/09 at 4:44

humble pi.

By: brrrrk on 8/12/09 at 4:45

humble pi?

oy vey ist mir

By: house_of_pain on 8/12/09 at 4:46

Jeez, you gotta do some division just to get a piece of pi. It never f**kin' ends...

By: gdiafante on 8/12/09 at 4:47

Heir pi - Live at the Fillmore...

By: dargent7 on 8/12/09 at 7:55

gd: If you're still alive tomorrow, let's do Allman Brother's tunes trivia.