Letters to the Editor

Thursday, September 17, 2009 at 11:11pm

Heaven help us

Free speech and hate speak are two entirely different things. Free speech is guaranteed by The Constitution but hate speak and inciting violence is not.

The atmosphere that is created by the hate mongering of Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck — two of the worst among a bevy of fringe right hate mongers — only serves to create and atmosphere that is extremely dangerous for our president and his cabinet members that refuse to bow to their vitriol.

These right wingers know that there are more unbalanced right wing nuts out there than them and will listen to their bitter rhetoric and act on it. The Republican Party has lost its way and refuses to refute these crackpots.

I think that the networks are complicit in aiding and abetting these hate mongers and should be held accountable along with them if any situations of violence arise as a result of their hate speak. Right wing hate mongering has been responsible for several assassinations and attempted assassinations.

Remember if you falsely yell ‘Fire!’ in a crowded theater, it is not covered by the Constitution. So I really don't think the kind of hatred that Limbaugh and company spew is either.

If the true conservatives don't get tough and try to take their party back heaven help us all.

C.W.Clouse, 37209

Comment via e-mail to letters@nashvillecitypaper.com

224 Comments on this post:

By: oyharward on 9/18/09 at 9:05

Right here in America, the voice of freedom of the entire world, we are so fortunate to be enlightened and educated by Rush Limbaugh, Bill O’Reilly, Glenn Beck, Sean Sanity, and many other radio and TV anchors; but specifically our own 24/7/365 Fox News Channel, as the mean-stream TV media (ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, MSNBC) and many in the dying print media are ignoring the corrupt and/or criminal issues of the day.

It appears that many editors, producers, and/or publishers of the media seem to allow the Liberals on Capitol Hill on anything, short of murder, it the elected or appointed ones fit in and practice Liberalism/Socialism. That is OK. America will remember in 2010. You can bank on that!

Thank you Fox News Channel and many others practicing honor in news.

God Bless America!

Oscar Y. Harward
oharward@carolina.rr.com
http://conservativechristianvoice.blogspot.com

By: slacker on 9/18/09 at 9:10

All you emotional types, should stop listening to political talk radio, and watching political tv shows.
Do as I do, and listen to sports radio, its geared for Wonderlic scores of 6 and below, and I fit in nicely.
I must warn you there is arguing, and juvenile name calling, endless apologizes, and...come to think of it, there is no difference. Nevermind.

By: slacker on 9/18/09 at 9:14

Hey chief, I thought Michael Myers went off the reservation, because Jamie Lee Curtis, turned the poor lad down.
(My sincere apology to Indians)

By: dargent7 on 9/18/09 at 9:15

SidVicious: If "my lies" are so rampant, why then, "o genius one", does TCP print them as well as The Tennessean? To incite vitriole? You dare state you're smarter than them? Doubt it. And just one short month ago, you AGREED with every LTE I penned...three. Remember?
And Dooley nailed it to you ambidexterous malcontents...write a better LTE and they will print it. Kinda like Lee Iacocco in the 70's..."if you find a better car, buy it".
Sorry to inform you and Funditto, he and I are all they got.
And the Full Moon isn't for two weeks.

By: chiefpayne568 on 9/18/09 at 9:23

oyharward,

Case in point:

The ACORN story which was around for quite a while before the mainstream media deemed it necessary to report it.

The Van Jones story didn't get reported by a majority of the media until he resigned.

I could go on but you get the idea. There's plenty of examples like these.

By: oyharward on 9/18/09 at 9:35

chiefpayne568, it is the mean-stream, rather than the main-stream. There is a difference. The mean-stream medias really dislike Conservatives. The Liberals in the mean-stream reject the Conservatives writings, disallowing many Conservative vision to be shared; just refusing to publish Letters To The Editor.

By: dargent7 on 9/18/09 at 9:37

Chief: The original "ACORN" hidden camera stuff was at a 4th grade level. This is 2009 and people need, and want digital HD.
Van Jones was 1 of 65 Czars currently employed. In charge of "Green" something.
I got a news flash for you that's 100% real: 3 troops were killed yesterday, 2 the day before, 4 the day before that. (in Afghanistan).
The "Joint Chief's" guy wants a "build up".
Guess what? Can you say Vietnam?

By: dargent7 on 9/18/09 at 9:44

oyharward: I have no idea what you just said. TCP is a poor example of "liberal media". They publish 1 letter, 4 days a week.
Maybe The Tennessean is more "main-stream". Blog and post there.
Here, you're interfering with my frequencies.

By: chiefpayne568 on 9/18/09 at 9:46

Health Care Reform
Opposition to Health Care Plan Hits New High of 56%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/september_2009/health_care_reform

By: pandabear on 9/18/09 at 9:49

I think the aliens have landed ...

By: Funditto on 9/18/09 at 9:51

new By: house_of_pain on 9/18/09 at 8:47

panda, please make your posts in the form of an insult...

Or a diatribe with a link pasted in for good measure. Oh, and don't read what folks say, just spout off after glancing at the first few words.

By: Funditto on 9/18/09 at 9:52

"Thank you Fox News Channel and many others practicing honor in news.

God Bless America!

Oscar Y. Harward
oharward@carolina.rr.com
http://conservativechristianvoice.blogspot.com"

LOL! He must have looked into Glen Beck's eyes.

By: chiefpayne568 on 9/18/09 at 9:53

Dargent,

Let me get this straight...you think because the video wasn't high grade, the STORY wasn't worth reporting??? Does this include the sometimes crappy video from in war zones TOO?

And so since there was a very large and important news story from Afghanistan, we're to IGNORE a story about someone close to the White House who is an self-acknowledged communist? You know, they CAN do more than one story at a time.

By: Funditto on 9/18/09 at 9:54

By: oyharward on 9/18/09 at 9:35

chiefpayne568, it is the mean-stream, rather than the main-stream. There is a difference. The mean-stream medias really dislike Conservatives. The Liberals in the mean-stream reject the Conservatives writings, disallowing many Conservative vision to be shared; just refusing to publish Letters To The Editor."

You must not be familiar with George Reynolds, Bobby Bass or Hershel Butts. Methinks you can't read.

By: pandabear on 9/18/09 at 9:55

Ah, Funditto.

Why don't you tell everyone in Spanish how much you despise them
like you did earlier this year. I'm sure I could translate it for them like
I did last time.

By: Kosh III on 9/18/09 at 10:06

'O'bama uses the word LIAR and yet when a republican uses it, it's hate

No. It was just rudeness and a violation of House rules.
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But no personal responsibility for Republicans huh? (sarcasm)

By: MamaG on 9/18/09 at 10:14

house, you gonna be at Kustom Thrills later on today/tonight? If so, I'm jealous! LOL

By: Funditto on 9/18/09 at 10:15

I don't despise everyone. Just mean people.

By: chakracon on 9/18/09 at 10:17

TCP publishes your BS, dargent7, because their pickens is slim. You don't speak the truth. You espouse YOUR truth, your opinions, and what matters only to you. You are no smarter than anyone else even tho' you act like you are. You are a despicable being.

By: house_of_pain on 9/18/09 at 10:18

My wife had to postpone her visit to Oct. 2, MamaG.
If I get the check for the study I just participated in, I'm going again next weekend.

By: brrrrk on 9/18/09 at 10:27

Anyone addressing the state of today's conservative movement needs to check out Bill Moyers Journal from July 11, 2008.

Two interesting quotes from the show.... and both of these guys are staunch Republicans....

MICKEY EDWARDS: "Well, first of all, you know, I don't think the rationale of the conservatism is small government. It's limited government, but that doesn't necessarily mean small. It means that there are areas that you cannot take government into. There are there are areas where the rights of the people are paramount. So, you know, in the old system, you know, before America, you had rulers and their subjects, right?"

ROSS DOUTHAT: "The problem is, I think, because conservatives are naturally hostile or skeptical of government power, conservatives often don't think deeply enough about what they're actually going to do with government when they actually take power. And that's how you end up, I think, with a lot of the problems in the Bush years where you have people unqualified to run federal agencies being appointed. You have bills getting written up that are really good in theory but then you look at the details and they don't actually work.

So I think, you know, the challenge for conservatives is to basically prove that liberal argument wrong. Liberals say, 'Well, because conservatives are fans of limited government, you can't trust conservatives to run the government we have.' And conservatives need to prove them wrong, and they haven't."

By: brrrrk on 9/18/09 at 10:28

Oh, and here's the link to the show if anyone cares to watch it..... or read the transcript.

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07112008/watch.html

By: chiefpayne568 on 9/18/09 at 10:29

Kosh,

"'O'bama uses the word LIAR and yet when a republican uses it, it's hate
No. It was just rudeness and a violation of House rules. But no personal responsibility for Republicans huh?"

Appears there was none for President Obama since he didn't get any form of condemnation from Congress.

By: Loner on 9/18/09 at 10:30

Good morning, Nashville!

Excellent LTE, Dooley, I agree with your analysis and conclusions. The right-wingers tried to be cheerleaders during the Bush (family) dynasty, but they are not very good at stirring up enthusiasm. They are very good at inciting hate and revulsion, however.

The so-called "Christian Radio & TV" pick up where Limbaugh, Savage and Beck stop, carrying the hate to the next level - righteous indignation and Divine sanction for violence.

The Israeli media have concentrated on undermining the president's crediblity and they suggest that Obama is an existential threat to the Jewish State. Again, this stirs the juices of the armed holy warriors out there. Fifth-column Israeli loyalists living here in the states are getting fired up...the Mossad may use these misguided Americans as agents provocateur or as the actual instruments for another Israeli, state-sponsored, "targeted killng". Dozens of political opponents to Israeli apartheid and war crimes have been snuffed by the IDF, especially in Gaza.

Of course, the white supremacists, the skin-headed Joe-the-Plumber types, did not need any prodding to hate Obama, they did need some cover to mask their true intentions. You know the line, "It's not that Obama is black, it's because ________ (fill in the blank). The GOP is supplying the good reasons to conceal the real reasons for the angst.

I will be surprised if Obama survives until 2012, too many powerful, entrenched interests wish to see him removed. May God preserve the president from the Judeo-Christian militants and anyone who would wish him harm.

By: pswindle on 9/18/09 at 10:30

Of course, this is hate speech. Did you see the march on Washington last week-end? Did you hear the speeches and the signs? Our own Marsha Blackburn was in the thick of things, doing her talking points. She is as close to being a know nothing as anyone that I know. Why is she elected?

By: sidneyames on 9/18/09 at 10:35

Fundito, you said: "Today, I head a charity and would alienate many supporters if they knew how I really felt so I remain anonymous". Gee, I don't mean to be mean-spirited, but you sound a bit like a phony baloney to me. I would never head up something that would be so shallow. Your "supporters" are not really your supporters. You just get money from them. I can't express my view while doing my job. That's not right. but I have a right to express my views on this forum. Chief, you said: "Anyone who listens to a talk radio personality KNOWS the person speaking is giving their opinion on the issue they are addressing. If the listener happens to be mentally unstable, it is not the fault of the speaker that the listener acts insanely.

That would be similar to someone watching Halloween (for example) and then running around really killing people like the character Michael Myers did - and then blaming the movie for the insane person's actions." You are so correct. When I tell my husband "I ought to knock your head off", he is smart enough tot know that I will not do it. I once heard a parent say that to her kid. The kid thought for a moment and said "you can't do that". I laughed my a$$ off. The kid was so smart. It knew it was just rhetoric. I listen to all kinds of coo-coo's on the radio and read all kinds of coo-coo's in this paper. Doesn't mean I'll be toting a gun to a rally! Means I'm just listening. D-7 thinks he and his croonies are the only ones with brains and cognitive skills. ha, ha, ha, ha. I write these posts as part of my anger management therapy! just kidding.

By: MamaG on 9/18/09 at 10:36

Well, house, good luck with that! Hope you get your check!!!

Saw a new bumper sticker yesterday:
"Pray for peace in Jerusalem"

Saw another one this morning, which I liked much better:
"My dog is an honor student at XYZ Obedience School"

By: chiefpayne568 on 9/18/09 at 10:36

pswindle,

Fascinating. So the signs and speeches you saw were hate speech. Did you say the same thing when you saw signs that said Bush = Hitler and Chimp in Chief, et al?

Oh and BTW, the people who were there apparently cleaned up after themselves as there was no trash left lying around after they left. Must have been very neat "hate preachers".

By: sidneyames on 9/18/09 at 10:41

D-7 that was last month. My nice pill wore off. AND you said: "SidVicious: If "my lies" are so rampant, why then, "o genius one", does TCP print them as well as The Tennessean? To incite vitriole? " YEP! Makes sense to me. They're probably reading and laughing their a$$es off! I would be. Oops! I am. And by the D7, when I agree with you, it's because you said something intelligent. Didn't you? And O'bama is speaking again (how unusual) and this time he's gonna be on all major networks except FOX. That's because he's afraid of FOX. O'bama can say all kinds of ugly things and I bet he says things to people off the record all the time. Things like: What am I doing wrong? They used to love. They used to believe my lies; now they're turning against me. So D-7 keep on sending in that cannon fodder. It's fun to be on this post with you. I bet if you knew me, you'd love me. ha, ha, ha.

By: MamaG on 9/18/09 at 10:41

sidney, for a 62 year old woman, you sure act like a juvenile. A spoiled brat.

By: chiefpayne568 on 9/18/09 at 10:43

sidneyames,

Even if you did tote a gun to a rally - one could determine, given the fact you toted it OPENLY where all could see it, that you were simply making a political statement and not there to try to assassinate the President or anything.

As far as I can ascertain, there has been no violence on the part of the anti-healthcare protestors. I have been looking for it to see if anyone has been hurt or whatever...but so far, I haven't seen it. So either what they are hearing and speaking ISN'T hate speech OR they are smart enough not to act on any hate speech they are hearing.

Now on the part of those who are pro-healthcare, I have heard of two instances, one in which an individual bit off the finger of a healthcare opponent and one in which several pro-healthcare union people physically assaulted an anti-healthcare individual.

So, which side seems to be responding to hate speech?

By: sidneyames on 9/18/09 at 10:44

And funditto, I have always used my real name and gotten no hate mail to date. If I get any, I'll let you know. And who on this site would even stoop to sending hate mail? Must be someone who reads it and doesn't have the nerve or intelligence to post.

By: Kosh III on 9/18/09 at 10:45

chief

When did our President use the word "liar" and to whom was it directed?
When did Obama become a member of Congress and therefore subject to it's rules?

And calling someone who deliberately expressed an untruth is different from calling someone a liar who spoke the truth.

By: Captain Nemo on 9/18/09 at 10:48

Well there be anything left in 2012. Maybe there is some truth that this being the end.

With all of the hate messages coming from the fringe right, I can see that a new civil war is on the horizion.

By: dargent7 on 9/18/09 at 10:49

Chakron: It's still a free country...WRITE SOMETHING BETTER. Are you brain-dead? They (TCP) are NOT right or left wing...or radical leftist. WRITE SOMETHING. It's that easy. Get up off your fat as**, walk around the block, put your thoughts in order, and WRITE IT. Until then, don't critize me for what I at least have the right to WRITE. Got it yet?

By: Loner on 9/18/09 at 10:50

Sidney Ames, are you female? With a name like Sidney, one wonders if perhaps your parents really wanted a boy. Do you have residual penis envy, Sid? This could explain your penchant for crude language, guns, war, violence and macho bravado. It's OK, Sid. Come out of the closet, are you longing to be one of the guys?

By: Captain Nemo on 9/18/09 at 10:52

Limbaugh and the likes new talking points seem to be working. The robots are all fired up.

By: dargent7 on 9/18/09 at 10:55

Chief: I AGREE, the ACORN "undercover" work was worth reporting. But, it wasn't exactly "60 Minutes" quality. I mean, did you see the "pimp" and prostitute? I wish I could find clothes like that in the 70's. The quality of the footage was grainy and you could NOT make out what the employee was saying. Subtitles doesn't cut it in 2009. The first run they blocked the person's face out. It was 4th grade stuff. It was indeed inflammatory, but not admissable in court. And, I am in that business.

By: sidneyames on 9/18/09 at 10:59

To those of you who think that the radio talk show hosts are inciting us anti-o'bamaites to hate, then read this:
TEHRAN, Iran – Hard-liners attacked senior pro-reform leaders in the streets as tens of thousands marched in competing mass demonstrations by the opposition and government supporters. Opposition protesters, chanting "death to the dictator," hurled stones and bricks in clashes with security forces firing tear gas.
Americans are usually more civilized. Yes, we've had riots, so don't tell me about them. But this o'bama stuff will not go that far. We'll use the ballot to stop it. I personally wish he'd shut up his pie hole, get off the campaign trail and WORK in the oval office. Now he's attacking our college kids.

By: Loner on 9/18/09 at 10:59

D7, I tried to get LTE's past the NCP censors, to no avail. I have tried to rebut the theocrats.

Any criticism of Israel is considered "anti-Semitic", much like most of the criticism of Obama is labelled as "racist". Those whose criticisms of Obama are not race-based should empathize with those of us who are sick and tired of being called anti-Semitic, simply because we place America's vital interest on a higher level than those of the Jewish State.

I suppose that if I wrote a rousing endorsement of the "special relationship", I would get published.

By: dargent7 on 9/18/09 at 11:01

Loner: Now, don't get cruel. Leslie Nielsen is one of my favorite actors (what an incredible body of work) and Lynn Swan was one hell of a wide reciever. Sidney as a first name I think favors girls,...if you wish it had a dic*k. Sidney Weaver, for eg. Ooops..that's Signorney. Sorry.

By: Loner on 9/18/09 at 11:03

Macho Sid sez, " I personally wish he'd shut up his pie hole". Wow, spoken like a well-hung stud. Poor Sid, a man trapped in a woman's body for 62 years...don't take it out on us Sidney, blame your Creator.

By: chiefpayne568 on 9/18/09 at 11:05

Kosh,

Did he not say in his speech there were untruths being told...isn't that what a lie is?

Obama is not a member of Congress...but he is subject to certain rules there. They COULD censure him among other things. But the rules for speaking there by tradition apply to him as well as Congress. Granted he CAN disregard those rules...but everyone is suppose to abide by them.

I disagree with your assessment. If you tell someone they are purposefully and knowingly telling an untruth, you are, by definition calling them a liar, plain and simple. Oh you may be putting it in a more polite manner...but the effect is still the same.

By: Funditto on 9/18/09 at 11:06

By: sidneyames on 9/18/09 at 10:44

And funditto, I have always used my real name and gotten no hate mail to date. If I get any, I'll let you know. And who on this site would even stoop to sending hate mail? Must be someone who reads it and doesn't have the nerve or intelligence to post."

Here's another example of not reading the entire post.

Syd: I said I wrote an LTE years ago to the Tennessean - before NCP was even hatched.

Loner, in NCP's (and other pubs') defense, I don't think they run LTEs from outside their readership area. If they did, they'd get letters from every special interest group in the US and the locals would have no voice.

I was friends with an editor at Tennessean years ago. The kookie letters outnumbered the rational folks 3 to 1 on most days.

By: Funditto on 9/18/09 at 11:10

"Fundito, you said: "Today, I head a charity and would alienate many supporters if they knew how I really felt so I remain anonymous". Gee, I don't mean to be mean-spirited, but you sound a bit like a phony baloney to me. I would never head up something that would be so shallow. Your "supporters" are not really your supporters. You just get money from them. I can't express my view while doing my job. That's not right. but I have a right to express my views on this forum."

You make no sense, Syd. None at all.

Somehow, I doubt the non-profits are lining up at your door.

By: chiefpayne568 on 9/18/09 at 11:11

dargent,

"I AGREE, the ACORN "undercover" work was worth reporting. But, it wasn't exactly "60 Minutes" quality. I mean, did you see the "pimp" and prostitute? I wish I could find clothes like that in the 70's. The quality of the footage was grainy and you could NOT make out what the employee was saying. Subtitles doesn't cut it in 2009. The first run they blocked the person's face out. It was 4th grade stuff. It was indeed inflammatory, but not admissable in court. And, I am in that business."

The point was that an organization being funded by our government was advising people on how best to purchase and run a house of prostitution under the radar of the IRS as well as how to get minors into the country to be used as prostitutes.

If nothing else, it SHOULD have sparked the other more mainstream journelists like those in 60 Minutes to do followup undercover work and to dig deeper into the belly of this organization. What appears to be happening is a group effort to not only belittle the evidence found but to support and defend the organization.

Seems to me corruption in any organization should be newsworthy...and how much MORE so for an organization funded by the US Government.

I wonder if the news agencies would have done this for Halliburton...methinks not.

By: Loner on 9/18/09 at 11:12

John Sidney McCain. Sidney Poitier, Sid Vicious, Sidney Crosby, Sidney Altman ..... all guys, D7. I never heard of a female name "Sidney", and I delivered a lot of mail over 20 years - no female Sidneys.
I'm not trying to be cruel, just trying to figure out how and why our sid is so tweaked.

By: chiefpayne568 on 9/18/09 at 11:14

Sidneyames,

Out of curiosity, I wonder just how much time Obama has spent in the Oval office versus how much time Bush spent in the Oval office, during the first 8 months of his Presidency.

Wonder how they compare.

By: Funditto on 9/18/09 at 11:14

I know lots of girls named Sidney. She's tweaked ''cause her meds haven't kicked in.

By: dargent7 on 9/18/09 at 11:19

Chief: I'm with you on this one. But, if you do an "undercover sting operation", get it right.
FOX News broadcast the original tapes before the film was dry. They rushed it to broadcast to get "an exclusive".
There was inaudible sound quality and the employees had their faces blacked out. "60 Minutes" has "camera, lights, sound, action"....If you want to take down a taxpayer funded organization, do it right and get it right. Kinda like the US military.