Letters to the Editor

Tuesday, November 10, 2009 at 9:28pm

Bring 'em home

I firmly believe that President Obama should not commit any more troops to Afghanistan but start removing U.S. troops entirely and bring them home.

 

There is nothing to be gained by staying and supporting a corrupt government and certainly Osama bin Laden is no longer there. If we wait long enough, he will eventually surface and the CIA can take him and hand him over for justice to be served for his planning, financing and committing the 9/11 atrocity against America.

 

President Bush plunged us into Afghanistan and rightfully so, and he made great strides with the cleansing of the Taliban who harbored al Qaeda and freeing the people. But [he] lost his way by attacking Iraq and forsaking the Afghanistan campaign which allowed the culprits to reassemble and rebound. There's no use in the U.S. making the same mistakes over and over.

 

Now it's time to leave them to govern themselves with or without a corrupt government and be assured that justice for bin Laden will come some day.

 

It also is now time to concentrate on keeping our intelligence alert and accurate so as to keep the U.S. protected from more terrorism and to focus all our energy on our domestic problems.

 

I no longer support the war in Afghanistan as I did when we had clear purpose.

 

C.W. Clouse, 37209[2]

 

 

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165 Comments on this post:

By: Captain Nemo on 11/11/09 at 2:28

Good morning.

Yes Bush screwed us by not finishing that war, before starting his war of choice in Iraq. He thought that the US could do just about anything he wanted, but found out the hard way that even with all of America wealth and power there are limits.

With Osama still free and laughing at our blunder in Iraq, he still has the power to call for another attack on US soil. He and is followers are either next door or in Pakistan with its nuclear weapons. If not Osama, then some other religious freak could get a hold of of these weapons and use them against us.

I just don't see how we can leave Afghanistan at this point.

By: dooley on 11/11/09 at 5:41

Nemo , What are we going to gain by staying ? We sure could use those troops to secure our northern and southern borders here at home.

By: idgaf on 11/11/09 at 5:57

You leftys are full of crap including barry who said Afganistan is the war we should be fighting.

I think we need to fight a serious war (to win) and give the General what he wants/needs or get out.

By: house_of_pain on 11/11/09 at 6:49

Happy Veterans Day.
Thank you.

By: dargent7 on 11/11/09 at 7:12

"Mission Accomplished" was 3 years ago, and counting.....the USA killed Saddam Hussein, his two sons, and 3/4 of his extended family, his cabinent, and anyone else who got in the way for imperialism gone amuck. "We'll stand down, when they stand up". Yeah, right.
Afghanistan in late 2009 is hardly where bin Laden would be at this point. General McChrystal does what Generals do: fight wars. There is no "win" in a mountainous terrain like Afghanistan and with over 150 "tribes", no consensus as to a central government. The Gen wants 40,000 now, in 4-6 months McCain will come up w/ another "surge" of 25,000, and we'll be stuck like in Iraq with puppet, corrupt governments in place. It's a loser.
Mr. Clouse is correct as usual.
He, and that other young and good looking guy are the only one's whose LTE make any sense.

By: Loner on 11/11/09 at 8:16

Good morning, Nashville!

Great LTE, Dooley. The USA is running out of spare cash for elective wars. We are currently bribing 100,000 Sunni "former insurgents" in Iraq to stand down. Each fighter is on the US payroll for $300/mo. Their leaders get a lot more. This is what the "surge" is all about, we paid off the enemy.

If the Chinese will lend us more money, we could try to bribe the Afghanis into submisssion, like we are doing in Iraq at this very moment.

That's how Junior Bush and Gen. Petraeus quelled the Iraqi insurgency...it works... kind of...until the money runs out and the fighters resume their efforts to dislodge the foreigners from their soil.

Here's my advice to our foundering Commander-In-Chief: Declare victory and then get the hell out of there. We can use drones to assassinate the Taliban leaders after the troops leave....Israeli style.

By: Funditto on 11/11/09 at 8:18

Those Republicans do seem to have selective memory AND selective hearing.

Calling Obama "Barry" sounds like a pet name. Are you sweet on him ID?

By: Loner on 11/11/09 at 8:31

The current price tag for the war in Afghanistan is over 3.6 billion per month, (not including the enormous Iraq war costs). With US unemployment over 10%, the domestic economy in a shambles and the nation absolutely polarized politically, the USA could go the way of the former USSR - bankrupted into oblivion.

Yes, Junior Bush and Dick Cheney are war criminals who sold the nation out to the privateers, the contractors, the war mongers and the war profiteers. Those two should be arrested, waterboarded and tried in the Hague.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/11/09 at 8:34

dooley it would be like the last time we help in Afghanistan to remove the Russian. After that was done we just pack up and left. We did not offer to help to rebuild the country. We did not offer any help to educate the people or give any medical aid for the people. Our only goal was to embarrass and get the Russian out.

In the after matt we left Osama to become the man to bring down the towers. If we are to leave Afghanistan now, will we leave it for another man to lead another attack US soil?

By: Captain Nemo on 11/11/09 at 8:38

By: idgaf on 11/11/09 at 4:57
You leftys are full of crap including barry who said Afganistan is the war we should be fighting.

I think we need to fight a serious war (to win) and give the General what he wants/needs or get out.
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If Afghabistan is not the war we should be fighting then why did Bush go in?

As always id you are the one full of crap.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/11/09 at 8:39

Loner what will be the price tag for leaving?

By: Loner on 11/11/09 at 8:41

We should offer to buy our medical marijuana from the Afghanis, if they cool it with the terrorism thing....a win-win scenario for all concerned. The Afghani Kush is considered to be among the world's finest Cannabis.

Smoke Cannabis, not people.

By: house_of_pain on 11/11/09 at 8:45

Loner needs to be our Ambassador to Afghanistan.

By: Loner on 11/11/09 at 8:52

I don't know the price tag for leaving, Nemo, I do know that we cannot keep up this level of profligate spending forever. The War Lobby will try to scare the public into remaining in Iraq and Afghanistan, they scared us into invading and occupying those places. Fear is their only tool, if we can grow some caljones, as a nation, we can defeat the enemy within - the Defense lobby, the Israel lobby and the Energy lobby.

Realistically, forget it; the War lobby has a strangle hold on our federal government...we are doomed to disintegrate into a powerless, snivelling society of cry-babies and scaredy cats. I can't see the union holding together for another two hundred years...I give it another twenty, tops.

By: Loner on 11/11/09 at 8:57

Thanks, House, I got my grab-n-go bag all packed, I'm tanned and rested. If called to serve, old Loner is ready, willing and able. I even have a combat bong...shatterproof glass, the camo coloration is in the glass itself. That baby can waste a dozen men at a time.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/11/09 at 8:58

Loner I can't argue with you about that, but to leave Afghanistan again without doing something is to reopen a killing shcool for terrorist.

By: govskeptic on 11/11/09 at 8:59

LTE is right on target. Maybe we should try an even bolder policy and bring home 90% of those in Japan,
Germany, and So. Korea. It's long past time for those
with the Euro's that has increased 50% against the
dollar to bare a great deal more of this type defense!

By: Captain Nemo on 11/11/09 at 9:00

Loner after you tame the place will have a party.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/11/09 at 9:01

That is a good idea govskeptic. I wonder just how many troops that would be?

By: Loner on 11/11/09 at 9:04

It's a tough call, Nemo. When we eventually leave our twin occupied territories, chaos will descend on those two hell-holes. Venedettas will be carried out, collaborators beheaded etc. Looting will occur. Theocrats will eventually reassume control over the masses and things will return to normal. America, however, will be flat broke and broken. The fat cat war-profiteers will move abroad. We bit off more than we could chew.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/11/09 at 9:08

Then Rome is doomed to fall a second time and a new Dark Age will cover the land.

By: Loner on 11/11/09 at 9:16

No, not really, Nemo. Europe will be in relatively good shape as will Japan, China and India. Here in the states, local warlords will be calling the shots as each state looks out for its own interests. On the bright side, the lobbyists will be unemployed and a kind of peace will settle over the rest of the planet, as the world's biggest, meanest bully struggles to survive the mess he created for himself.

I hope that I am wrong, of course, but my crystal balls reveal a dismal future for Uncle Sam. We had it all...then we blew it....the dream hijacked by the special interests.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/11/09 at 9:26

I hope you are right on this, Loner.

Changing the subject. It Insurance talk time of day.

By: sidneyames on 11/11/09 at 9:36

If we wait long enough, he will eventually surface and the CIA can take him and hand him over for justice to be served for his planning, financing and committing the 9/11 atrocity against America.

Clouse, or if we wait long enough, he will surface and blow up even more Americans on our own soil. They couldn't even stop a doctor at Fort Hood who had red flags all over according to the news.

Venedettas will be carried out, collaborators beheaded etc. Looting will occur. Loner you are correct. That is the law of the land over there. And my concern is that if we continue to allow ourselves to cow-tow to political correctness, it will become the law of our land.

If Afghabistan is not the war we should be fighting then why did Bush go in? Captain, leave Bush out of it. O'bama said "AFGHANISTAN IS A NECESSARY WAR" AND he thought so during the Bush administration or else why would he be so: This is my war!

Afghanistan is o'bama's war; he said so.

By: sidneyames on 11/11/09 at 9:38

By: Loner on 11/11/09 at 7:41
We should offer to buy our medical marijuana from the Afghanis

Loner, I have first dibs on that contract. That's why I'm cultivating my garden. Then I can do the transition, just as soon as TN votes to let me raise medical pot!

ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. That's a joke. The people who smoke weed are already growing it here or importing it from CA. You can tell by the way they drive!

By: sidneyames on 11/11/09 at 9:40

By: idgaf on 11/11/09 at 4:57
You leftys are full of crap including barry who said Afganistan is the war we should be fighting.

I think we need to fight a serious war (to win) and give the General what he wants/needs or get out.

I second that emotion, idgaf. Barry, as you call him, is now setting forth his 4 plans that he might carry out. Well, why doesn't he just collaborate with the enemy to see what they want us to do? I mean, we fight wars on ABC, NBC, CBS and FOX. I wish they really did have a secret service in the U.S. so we could have a plan that the enemy doesn't read about in the Wall Street Journal or see on the evening news.

By: Loner on 11/11/09 at 9:42

The Empire State could go it alone, as could any state with a coastline. Landlocked states would be in a bind. Airspace restrictions, checkpoints, state tariffs etc. would bedevil commerce in the Former United States of America (FUSA). Like fifty squabling hens in a chicken processing center, the republic could quickly devolve into selfish madness.

Again, I sure hope that my crystal balls are wrong on all that....maybe the USA will come to it's senses and reform the campaign finance system, bring the troops home, pay off its debts and thereby avert disaster. Of course, all that needed reform is not likely to happen.....we are on the road to perdition.

By: gdiafante on 11/11/09 at 9:47

Happy Veterans day!

My opinion on Afghanistan is we finish. History has shown us the ramifications of a quick and total retreat. Iraq has become somewhat self-sustaining, time to reallocate those troops to where they were needed to begin with.

Then, we take over the world, and the American Empire will endure.

(Note to Obama: ok, I support you on this, please fix Stanley Cup Playoffs and bring the cup to Nashville, thanks.)

By: gdiafante on 11/11/09 at 9:49

"...maybe the USA will come to it's senses and reform the campaign finance system, bring the troops home, pay off its debts and thereby avert disaster."

Loner, you've had the power to make this happen the whole time...just click your heels three times...

By: idgaf on 11/11/09 at 9:52

Sid this is the first anti-American president we had who surrounds himself with radicals/communists and we don't even know if he is eligibal to be the president.

He runs around the world apologizing for us as if he was recruiting them to do us in.

Bet michelle is proud now, with the job he is doing on us.

By: gdiafante on 11/11/09 at 9:59

"Sid this is the first anti-American president we had who surrounds himself with radicals/communists and we don't even know if he is eligibal to be the president."

A perfectly valid indication of the worsening intellectual state of the American populace. Thank you for your contribution.

By: Loner on 11/11/09 at 10:00

The basic flaw in the reasoning supporting the nation-building notion, one that our gifted planners ignore, is this simple, unassailable truth - theocratic societies need to experience a genuine protestant reformation, from within, before secular democracy can take root.

We put the cart before the donkey...so to speak. The more that the West pounds on the Islamic nations, the more fundamentalist they become.

We are fighting counter-productive battles with extremist Islamists.

Muslim moderates, (yes, they do exist), are overpowered by the fanatics because we push their societies into calamity and chaos.

Obama doesn't seem to get it. He is a tool of the War Lobby, like any US president.....I don't expect a presidential epiphany any time soon. They'll kill him if he balks.

By: Funditto on 11/11/09 at 10:02

Anti - American how?

Radicals and communists - who?

You throw out these accusations with nothing solid to back them up. No wonder we're so divided!

By: Loner on 11/11/09 at 10:04

Dammit, i traded those ruby slippers for a bag of skunk weed, several years ago. The gangstahs now own those magical shoes, GD.

By: Loner on 11/11/09 at 10:06

Uh, oh glitchie, glitchie yah yah heah....LOL.

By: Loner on 11/11/09 at 10:08

There's a HTML command...let's see if that de-glitches the board...again...

By: sidneyames on 11/11/09 at 10:08

By: idgaf on 11/11/09 at 8:52
Sid this is the first anti-American president we had who surrounds himself with radicals/communists and we don't even know if he is eligibal to be the president.

He runs around the world apologizing for us as if he was recruiting them to do us in.

Bet michelle is proud now, with the job he is doing on us.

Funditto listen to some of his comments, apologizing for America. We don't need him to apologize for our country.

And idgaf, I have to be careful. Michelle is from South Carolina. My family settled there 5 generations ago. D7 will start accusing me of owning slaves. Now I see in the news that Michelle has some white cousins that she ignores. Don't know if it's true or not.

Muslim moderates, (yes, they do exist), are overpowered by the fanatics because we push their societies into calamity and chaos.

Loner, that is so untrue. These countries have been fighting for thousands of years before the U.S. was even dreamed of. WE do not push their societties into calamity and chaos. Their neighbors, brothers, sisters and leaders do that. I mean can you say "cruelty to women" without mentioning these radical people? They kill women who commit adultry by burying them in sand up to their torso and stoning them. They cut off hands and arms; they behead people. Is that all made up? I think not.

Sos theeir chaos has always been present in their desire to have the Muslim community rule the world.

Oh, maybe not the moderates! Yes, I'm sure they exist in a small minority.

By: Loner on 11/11/09 at 10:09

Nope, webmaster, please step in, thanks.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/11/09 at 10:11

sid and id are what is known as The Ugly Americans.

The Anti-Americans are Cheney, Limbaugh and Beck likies.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/11/09 at 10:16

sid must be drinking the kool-aid again. I can see it running out the corner of her mouth, down her chin and staining her clothing and the floor.

By: Funditto on 11/11/09 at 10:20

Sid if you apologize for something your dog did wrong does that mean you hate him? Or if your husband says something stupid and offends your neighbor, wouldn't you apologize for him? We did say and do some stupid things (Bring it on!) over the last eight years. How else are supposed to handle it? Or would you rather the world go on hating us?

By: girliegirl on 11/11/09 at 10:20

Sadly, whether you agree with the politics of the war/s or not, that's the only real employer out there now.... the US doesn't really "make" anything anymore. We're way too dysfunctional now, and China assembles nearly all of our products. Golly, if it weren't for tanks, ammo, 50 caliber guns and such, the few remaining factories here would be shut down.

By: gdiafante on 11/11/09 at 10:22

I wish that people would worry about what's best for America instead of their party. That's the problem. People have become so entrenched in party ideology they can't see past to know what's good for the long term health of the country.

Screw both parties.

By: slacker on 11/11/09 at 10:23

I would like to apologize for my dog crapping in other peoples yard.

By: house_of_pain on 11/11/09 at 10:25

"Screw both parties."
Exactly.

By: dargent7 on 11/11/09 at 10:25

What the "jar heads" in Washington, either the "Joint Chief's" or 4 Star, 3 Star, 2 Star Generals, Majors, Cols. dont's GET, is the "insurgents", al-Queda, Taliban, are fueled by RELIGION, a "jihad". They will never quit fighting. We're on their soil, they hate us, and they can blow us up for 500 years, not bat an eye, because if they get killed, by any means necessary, it's an "honor" and they get to meet up with Al'lah and those 108 virgins, quicker.
In Vietnam the war spurts were called, "offensives". Now, we call them "surges".
Unless you want to drop an atomic bomb on Afghanistan and Pakistan like Hiroshima and Nagasaki, wipe the slate clean, the ground war cannot be "won".
The USA just doesn't get it.

By: gdiafante on 11/11/09 at 10:26

Girlie, we've transitioned to more of a service industry. The problem is that now even that is being outsourced to places like India.

Combine that with the pitiful education system that is spitting out idiots instead of people prepared to enter the work force, and you have an employment crisis.

By the way, we will never be able to complete with the low-wage workers in Asia. No way.

By: Loner on 11/11/09 at 10:27

Sid, you said, " These countries have been fighting for thousands of years before the U.S. was even dreamed of."

Sid, you have been misled and misinformed. During the Pax Romana, (Roman Peace), the Middle East was at peace for hundreds of years.

FYI, Islam started in the seventh century AD, about 1400 years ago. The religion was founded and funded by military conquest and by tribute from the conquered. Peace was the general rule under the Caliphs, once the conquests were added to the expanding Caliphate.

The peace was broken by the Christian Europeans in the 11th, 12th and 13th centuries in what we now call the Great Crusades. The Ottoman Turks picked up the pieces after the Crusaders were driven out and peace ensued until the First World War, when the Ottoman Turks were defeated.

Peace in the ME was again shattered in 1948, when militant Zionists re-ignited the region with a modern Holy War. ...the Zionist-Crusaders versus the Islamic Jihadists.

Hope that sets you straight, Sid.

By: gdiafante on 11/11/09 at 10:27

SLACKER!!!

I just bought those freakin' shoes!!

By: gdiafante on 11/11/09 at 10:32

Loner, what is little known is that in the early 4th century Jesus returned. He was walking down a street in Rome and was hit in the head. When he awoke he had amnesia.

God's vow of non-interference was binding, so mankind's salvation was lost forever.

Jesus lived out the remainder of his live in Rome making cotton candy. You know how the world ended up.

Ironically, the man who hit him on the head was named "Idgafius".