Letters to the Editor

Tuesday, December 29, 2009 at 1:10am

Athletes fall so far

Great perspective on the accountability (or lack thereof) of professional athletes! [City Paper, Dec. 21] We are all accountable but it's good to hear someone vocalize the fact that these men and women are no different.

We, the general public, should not idolize them so much that we lose perspective for the high standards of marriage.

I personally feel that these men and women lack a personal relationship with God or they wouldn't fall so far. [That's] not to say that every Christian does things perfectly, it just gives you the perspective, discipline and the accountability it takes to honor your marital relationship.

Thanks again for writing what a lot of other people think.

Michael Kerrigan, Nashville

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273 Comments on this post:

By: gdiafante on 12/29/09 at 10:42

I got a Pale Ale and Stoudt. I was thinking of getting a Nut Brown too.

By: Funditto on 12/29/09 at 10:42

My son was raised in a Catholic home, with a Catholic family and went to Catholic schools. Yet on his Facebook page, he says he's an atheist. Children, especially smart ones, form their own opinions. When my first was born, me pediatrician said 'You can't make a child eat, sleep or believe." That's just the way it is. So many kids I know are screwed up because their parents refused to accept that fact.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/29/09 at 10:42

LOner

That was why I left Ann Arbor so soo. I was going to stay one more day but there was a squall coming yesterday and I did not want to be in it.

Still it was not as bad as gdia' travels.

By: sidneyames on 12/29/09 at 10:44

"By: chiefpayne568 on 12/29/09 at 8:39
Loner, I agree with you about the parents being the primary role models. Yet there are times when the parents try to be just that and are excoriated for it as well, particularly if what they are teaching their children is not politically correct."

Chief, parents are the primary role model. And you are right, political correctness has taken a toll on parenting. I'm glad my mother was strong and held up under pressure. When we said "Why" to one of her dictates, she said "Because I said so". That was good enough for me. After all she was my mother and I owed her that respect.

Children today don't feel theyowe their parents anything. And people like Tiger woods don't feel they owe ANY BODY ANYTHING. He is spoiled rotten.

And D7, when those men in Christian leadership (as well as Tammy Baker) fall into the grip of cheating, regardless of whether it's with sex or the Church's money, they are not doing it as "Christians". They are doing it as sinners who fell from grace. So you can't blame it on their religion. It's there lack of CORE values and an accountability factor.

Stop saying that everything is due to them being Christians. D7, I know you had a blessed Christmas cause you're still here.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/29/09 at 10:45

The crouch bomber got his visa in 08.

By: chiefpayne568 on 12/29/09 at 10:47

Blanketnazi2,

"so you are just basing all that on speculation. oohhhh, muslim evil, christianity good!"

Speculation? His father is a muslim and he spent some time as a youth living with muslims, did he not? What is the specualtion here? I simply say he has some background with the muslim community...or do you think otherwise?

By: Funditto on 12/29/09 at 10:49

Tiger spent most of his life trying to please his dad by being a good golfer. While it doesn't excuse his behavior, it certainly explains a lot. Controlling parents, like Tiger's dad, do more harm than those who don't give a rip.

By: MamaG on 12/29/09 at 10:50

Good morning all...dang, blanket, girl! You are a savvy brewmistress on top of everything else fab that you do??? I'm impressed! LOL

By: Captain Nemo on 12/29/09 at 10:50

Blanket:

Christian are good. chief should try it.

By: chiefpayne568 on 12/29/09 at 10:51

Loner,

As with all parents, the parents have the right to raise their children as they see fit, provided no abuse is involved. Do bigots have the right to pass on their bigotry? Yes, they do.

It's unfortunate, but the alternative would be for the state to take custody of the children to raise them. Would you rather have that?

By: sidneyames on 12/29/09 at 10:52

"By: Funditto on 12/29/09 at 9:42
My son was raised in a Catholic home, with a Catholic family and went to Catholic schools. Yet on his Facebook page, he says he's an atheist. Children, especially smart ones, form their own opinions. When my first was born, me pediatrician said 'You can't make a child eat, sleep or believe." That's just the way it is. So many kids I know are screwed up because their parents refused to accept that fact."

Funditto, even "dumb" ones form opinions. Usully they get it from an "educated nutty college professor". My brother was Baptist, Athiest, Agnostic, Jewish, Catholic, Buddist and he's come full circle to being a Christian now. Since I was 11, I have been a Christian. MOther was no religion or spirtual person as we were being raised. She "sent" us to church; she stayed hom. She became a devoted Catholic at 40ish. Daddy dammed God until he was 68; then became a Christian.

The good news about God is that he doesn't judge us the way our fellow D7's and human's do.

I'm a free thinker; do and say what I please as long as I can't get arrested for it at the moment. I strayed from my CORE values from about 25 to 30. Wow! Drugs, sex, you know. But I didn't get into stealing and prostitution or blowing up airplanes.

So I think that solid Core values, critical thinking skills and common sense lead us to do what is the right thing in a given situation. And also in the case of the Steve McNair's and Tiger Woods' types (as well as Tammy Bakers), a little LESS SELF in the equation.

I always consider my husband when I'm making a decision that could hurt me and my family.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/29/09 at 10:54

Good point sid. Even you can have a dumb opinion.

By: dargent7 on 12/29/09 at 10:54

It's all about the money. Would any of us be writing these posts if we were making $25., $50., or $100 million a year? Any star gets the Red carpet or VIP treatment, as in "come to the front of the line".....and "there is no line, come right in". Give a college NFL, baseball, basketball player $50 million a year, at 22 years old, and he's going to make the right decisions? You can be sure Tiger didn't spend 1 sec. in any line, bought any girl a drink, paid any cover charge. GM gave him 3 cars to drive, Nike gave him a complete wardrobe, Titleist furnished his clubs, bags, and balls.
Look at Charlie Sheen, a $20. million a year sit-comedy star. He has handlers, agents, lawyers just on retainer waiting for the next F***U**.
Temptation is all around, and based on money and age, you succumb.

By: sidneyames on 12/29/09 at 10:56

By: Captain Nemo on 12/29/09 at 9:45
The crouch bomber got his visa in 08.

Capt., the crouch bomber didn't think too highly of his "family jewels".

I think the post yesteerday about dogs at the airport is good, except that big dogs like german sheps go for the crouch and maybe then it would open up a lot of "sexual harrassment" from dogs who fly.

I need reassurance today. I went to gamble. I took $200. I was up to $1400 on the penny machine. I thought to myself "I need my husband to take this piece of paper that says $1200 on it". Then I called him. He didn't answer his phone.

I said "well, I'll just put a little of it back into this blackhole machine". 5 hours later, I had a piece of paper that said $100.00.

Was I dumb, dumber or dumbest? Was I stupid, stupider or stupidest? Or was I just bored out of my goard and sat at that machine too long?

By: Captain Nemo on 12/29/09 at 10:58

I have seen people making a lot less than $15,000 a year cheat. I have even seen go to church twice a week cheat.

I bet BenDover cheat on his taxs.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/29/09 at 10:59

Mama, I wish I could share some homebrew with you!

g, one of my first batches was a nut brown ale. i was so proud because that was the second batch i brewed and it was soooo good!

By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/29/09 at 10:59

g, did you get the barometer to check the gravity of your brew?

By: Funditto on 12/29/09 at 11:00

My son is far from dumb Sid. He has his own beliefs and while I don't agree, I respect them. Who needs God around to judge? You and chief seem to have that covered.

By: gdiafante on 12/29/09 at 11:00

Gambling...and so close to our savior's birthday...shame...SHAME!!

By: Captain Nemo on 12/29/09 at 11:01

The crouch bomber thought he was going to get 7 virgins in heaven. He did not think on how he it would work out once he got there with nothing to work with.

By: gdiafante on 12/29/09 at 11:02

Yeah. It didn't come with the kit, my father in law gave me his, and a crapload of bottles.

By: chiefpayne568 on 12/29/09 at 11:02

Funditto,

Your son has the right to decide for himself. But I assume you instilled in him some of your beliefs...as most parents do.

If he chooses not to believe in God, that's for him to decide.

As for judging you, I have no need or authority to do that. That's up to God to do, not me.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/29/09 at 11:03

Where in the bible does it said that gambleing is a sin?

By: chiefpayne568 on 12/29/09 at 11:03

Nemo,

I thought it was 72 virgins, not 7.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/29/09 at 11:03

yeah, it usually doesn't come with the kit but it is an excellent thing to have. home brew usually comes in around 8%.

so your father in law brews? that's great!

By: sidneyames on 12/29/09 at 11:04

By: Funditto on 12/29/09 at 10:00
My son is far from dumb Sid. He has his own beliefs and while I don't agree, I respect them. Who needs God around to judge? You and chief seem to have that covered.

Funditto you formed an opinion of my sentence without asking me to clarify it. I didn't say YOUR son was dumb. YOu had already implied he was smart and I figured he is.

So in addition to smart kids forming opinions I stated that "even dumb ones" do also.

Sorry for the mix up. I was not judging you or your son. I was stating an opinion.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/29/09 at 11:04

dang, i wish i could go home and brew a batch right now!

By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/29/09 at 11:05

sid, did you have a good Christmas?

By: dargent7 on 12/29/09 at 11:06

Sid, I see you're well into your 4th cup of coffee.

By: gdiafante on 12/29/09 at 11:09

He did brew. He's an alcoholic, so there was a little tension everytime he did. But I got a lot of his brewing equipment.

By: gdiafante on 12/29/09 at 11:09

I'm teaching my kids to despise the Titans.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/29/09 at 11:11

if i had kids i'd teach them to despise jay cutler.

By: sidneyames on 12/29/09 at 11:11

"By: Captain Nemo on 12/29/09 at 10:01
The crouch bomber thought he was going to get 7 virgins in heaven. He did not think on how he it would work out once he got there with nothing to work with."

Capt. I have a question. Of course, I"m not judging them, but don't you think that a religion that gives you 7 or 77 or 700 virgins for killing Christians is sort of sexually perverted? I mean, aren't they always preoccupied with sex.

"By: Captain Nemo on 12/29/09 at 10:03
Where in the bible does it said that gambleing is a sin?"

I've never read that. I was using my recreation money. I could buy a game boy and sit my house and play it all day. But I went to the casino, got 2 free cokes, a free water and played on their game boy. It's just how you manage it, that makes it good or badd.

My mortgage was paid, car paid for, insurance up to date, light bill paid, groceries in the fridge and pets well cared for. I even spent money on Many others. So I wanted to just sit and veg.

I could have smoked a doobie, but I don't do that. I could have downed a 12 pack, but I don't do that. During the 8 hours I sat at the SAME machine, I forgot about my Tux and all my pain in my leg and all the crap I have to do.

It cost me $100. I won the other money and played it back, so it was their money I played with. I came home with a full tank of gas, $100 in my pocket and a very sweet husband who normally doesn't gamble, but who went with me anyway cause he knew I was not going to stop crying unless I went into a public building.

By: Loner on 12/29/09 at 11:14

Still waiting for a reply on the Mitzvot...hey, if you are going to call yourself a Judeo-Christian, you better bone up on what's required....there's more than ten commandments, there are about 613 of them. If one believes in the same God that played games with Abraham's mind and selected a Chosen People, then one ought to consider conversion to Judaism. Christianity and Islam are heretical knock-off faiths... Jesus was Jewish, as were the Disciples, they never renounced Judaism itself; Christ was never a Christian.

By: sidneyames on 12/29/09 at 11:14

"Blanketnazi2 on 12/29/09 at 9:34
oh, i forgot. you probably think Obama is a Muslim."

No, Obama is a camelion; changes colors to fit the room. His mother was married to 2 muslims. He has been trained and conditioned as a muslim and also went to a racially charged church (against whites).

So we will not know what he really is for a long time. He says he's a Christian and we are expected to gush over him. He's a very decadent person. Lavish parties, lavish life style all at our expense.

He should have gone to his HOME in chicago for a christmas season of family.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/29/09 at 11:15

I think that for failing to blow-up the plane, the dude gets 72 gay companions in the basement of heaven.

There is only six virgins waiting in heave if you just die. You get a seventh one if you go kaboom.

By: gdiafante on 12/29/09 at 11:16

"Christ was never a Christian."

So even he didn't think he was the son of God...interesting...

In the lost book of Dilbert, Jesus was the second cousin of a friend who once met a man who claimed to have seen God in a water puddle.

By: dargent7 on 12/29/09 at 11:17

Chief: It's between 72 and 108.
But, what's the difference between what these Islamic extremists idiots believe and "Born Again" Christians who believe after they've murdered their entire family or the next door neighbor's, all they have to do is "receive the Lord" and they will live in "Paradise" forever? Zero difference.

By: sidneyames on 12/29/09 at 11:17

By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/29/09 at 10:05
sid, did you have a good Christmas?

Well, besides the fact that I sinned by gambling, yes, thank you Blanket. I drove up to Metropolis; had 2 nights with hubby and ate well. Safe driver that I am, I made it back home safely.

My pets were well cared for and now I am blessed that both of us (hubby and me) still have our jobs.

By: house_of_pain on 12/29/09 at 11:18

My wife blew $40 on the slots in Biloxi.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/29/09 at 11:18

sid, what would it matter if he were muslim? like that's a bad thing? not all muslims are extremists. lavish parties? all presidents have lavish parties. they're expected to entertain properly.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/29/09 at 11:19

sid I think all religions have been perverted.

As for sex.....well that has been preverted too.

By: sidneyames on 12/29/09 at 11:20

By: dargent7 on 12/29/09 at 10:17
Chief: It's between 72 and 108.
But, what's the difference between what these Islamic extremists idiots believe and "Born Again" Christians who believe after they've murdered their entire family or the next door neighbor's, all they have to do is "receive the Lord" and they will live in "Paradise" forever? Zero difference.

D7 Christians are not taught that you should kill and get the reward.

Muslim are taught that if you kill infidels, then you get the reward.

Christians are taught "do not kill", "do not commit adultry" and so on. The misguided ones are the ones who think, "I'll do this and ask for forgiveness".

A true Christian would never premeditate that way. We're not taught that.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/29/09 at 11:20

sid, i'm glad you had a good time in metropolis. did you see superman? lol!

By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/29/09 at 11:21

sid, not all muslims are taught that. many are taught that if you kill one you have killed all of humanity. not all muslims are extremists.

By: sidneyames on 12/29/09 at 11:22

By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/29/09 at 10:18
sid, what would it matter if he were muslim? like that's a bad thing? not all muslims are extremists. lavish parties? all presidents have lavish parties. they're expected to entertain properly.

then we need to lower our "expectations" and ask them to be frugel with our money. He spends a lot. I wonder WHO pays for his $4000 to $6000 a night room in hawaii? He does not own a home (vacation or other) in Hawaii. He does own a home in Chicago.

Most presidents go to a home they own for their vacation away from the White House.

By: sidneyames on 12/29/09 at 11:24

Blanket, thanks. I got a photo with him. Is that the REAL Metropolis?

Blanket, I also know there are good muslims and good christians. Thanks for reminding me.

My computer room is not heated. My fingers are numb. Time for a run to my kitchen for some Southern Pecan coffee and a piece of banana bread. yummy.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/29/09 at 11:24

Blanket, not all Jews or Christian are extreamist.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/29/09 at 11:25

he was raised in Hawaii and has family there. he can't exactly stay at Motel 6. i'm sure there has to be provisions made that wherever he stays has to be secure. and it's not like he can serve visiting ambassadors McDonalds.....

By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/29/09 at 11:26

sid, it always cracks me up to see all the Superman stuff in Metropolis. i used to have a great aunt who lived there and we would visit when i was a kid.