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Tuesday, December 29, 2009 at 2:10am

Athletes fall so far

Great perspective on the accountability (or lack thereof) of professional athletes! [City Paper, Dec. 21] We are all accountable but it's good to hear someone vocalize the fact that these men and women are no different.

We, the general public, should not idolize them so much that we lose perspective for the high standards of marriage.

I personally feel that these men and women lack a personal relationship with God or they wouldn't fall so far. [That's] not to say that every Christian does things perfectly, it just gives you the perspective, discipline and the accountability it takes to honor your marital relationship.

Thanks again for writing what a lot of other people think.

Michael Kerrigan, Nashville

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By: Loner on 12/29/09 at 11:08

Hey, Pastor Dusty, here is a snippet from a credible Jewish site. The URL follows the snippet:

"While it is recognized that Moslems worship the same God that we do (though calling him Allah, He is the same God of Israel), even those who follow the tenets of their religion cannot be considered righteous in the eyes of God, because they do not accept that the Written Torah in the hands of the Jews today is the original Torah handed down by God and they do not accept the Seven Laws of Noah as binding on them."

"While the Christians do generally accept the Hebrew Bible as truly from God, many of them (those who accept the so-called divinity of Jesus) are idolaters according to the Torah, punishable by death, and certainly will not enjoy the World to Come. But it is not just being a member of a denomination in which the majority are believers in the Trinity that is idolatry, but personal idolatrous practice, whatever the individual's affiliation."

http://www.mechon-mamre.org/jewfaq/gentiles.htm

By: sidneyames on 12/29/09 at 11:09

"By: MamaG on 12/29/09 at 10:33
Son just got 2nd acceptance letter to college...3 more to apply to then decision time. WooHoo! (Hope for the one near the beach!)"

Congrats mama. If he goes near the beach, I'll furnish gas, buy food and drive. Oh and if you find a duplex condo, I'll buy one half.

I've been trying to get hubby to move to the beach. Waaaa! I wanna live in the sun near the beach before I'm too old for my string bikini. oH gosh. the thought even scares me, so D7 put a lid on it.

And Mama, you're right. O'bama ran for the poo folk! He said "change" and to me that should mean that he'll do leaner entertaining. He's like a lottery winner gone wild. They usually end up broke and back in the gutter. To me, he's a braggard, big spender.

I know that the majority of muslims are good (I think), but why don't they march and protest against the bad ones.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/29/09 at 11:11

By: sidneyames on 12/29/09 at 11:09
I know that the majority of muslims are good (I think), but why don't they march and protest against the bad ones.

they do. it just doesn't get a lot of airtime here in the U.S.

By: chiefpayne568 on 12/29/09 at 11:12

dargent7,

"But, what's the difference between what these Islamic extremists idiots believe and "Born Again" Christians who believe after they've murdered their entire family or the next door neighbor's, all they have to do is "receive the Lord" and they will live in "Paradise" forever? Zero difference."

Ah but one believes that murder is a sin but that if he repents of that sin (even if he is punished with the death penalty) he will be forgiven by God.

The other believes that if he murders in the name of God, he in fact must rejoice in the murder he has done because it is his ticket to paradise with God.

One considers the act to be AGAINST God's wishes and the other says it's an act that God condones. BIG difference.

By: chiefpayne568 on 12/29/09 at 11:16

Blanketnazi2,

By: sidneyames on 12/29/09 at 11:09
I know that the majority of muslims are good (I think), but why don't they march and protest against the bad ones.

they do. it just doesn't get a lot of airtime here in the U.S."

Why not? You'd think those who would like to keep profiling out of the equation, those who would like to keep muslims from being persecuted for what the radicals are doing - you'd think they would get the word out. So what gives?

By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/29/09 at 11:17

"if anyone slays a human being – unless it be [in punishment] for murder or for spreading corruption in the land – it shall be as though he had slain all mankind; whereas, if anyone saves a life, it shall be as though he had saved the lives of all mankind." (Quran 5:32)

In other words, Quran itself has ascertained that only the state may take life as capital punishment of a murderer or someone who is in rebellion to the law of the land. Other than these two crimes, neither can the legislature formulate law to take life of a human nor can governments act to do so. If one contemplates a little bit on these two crimes, it becomes evident that even in these cases, life of a human can be taken by a state only through judicial proceedings. Other than these two conditions, it is said that slaying of a life is akin to slaying entire humanity, and saving a life is akin to saving humanity.

By: DustyU on 12/29/09 at 11:17

Loner: I haven't been called pastor for years; thanks. Yea the Jews have a real problem with trinitarians since the Torah is very plain about one God. But changing the subject slightly, how would you handle the accusation that your leaders arranged the murder of the son of your god?

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By: dargent7 on 12/29/09 at 11:22

Chief: Explain your verbal masturbation to God. Murder is murder, except in the foolish eyes of the USA's courtroom. Think OJ is going to Heaven?
Both types you mention are "lost", and fundamentally challenged to the point of UN-reality.
The "Christian" who kills an abortion doctor will pay for that the same as the "shoe", "underware", or 9/11 bombers.
Maybe God does have a sliding scale on murder, in cold blood, and "bonus points" granted if they "accepted His Son", before or after the act, but I'm currently not aware of it.
If that's the case, I'd like it in writing, and The Bible falls short.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/29/09 at 11:22

http://www.ia.ucsb.edu/93106/2001/oct8/islam/islam.html

Here is an interesting article that defines what Islam is vs. the extremist view of terrorists.

By: sidneyames on 12/29/09 at 11:24

Here's my real deal belief. I believe that God created me. I believe he sent his son to be on earth for a time and to die for my sins. BUT that does not excuse me from accountability for my sins. And the bottom line is that not one of us - the CP preachers - will know till it's over. And it ain't over till it's over.

I let my cat grizzley come into the house lately to bond with us. He's not too comfortable. He likes the Florida (aka sun room) room. It's his domain.

It's so odd to me that the Bible is only 1/2 used. If Americans ate the food of the old testament and didn't eat what it says not to eat, we'd be healthier. But most of us like lobster and fattening foods.

By: chiefpayne568 on 12/29/09 at 11:29

dargent7,

"Think OJ is going to Heaven?" Since I believe that he is guilty and that he is unrepentant and refuses to confess that he is in fact guility, no I do not believe he is going to Heaven.

"The "Christian" who kills an abortion doctor will pay for that the same as the "shoe", "underware", or 9/11 bombers."

In point of fact, we agree in that the Christian who refuses to confess that he committed a sin and refuses to repent of that sin is indeed lost...the same as the muslim who blows himself/herself and whomever with them are.

"Maybe God does have a sliding scale on murder, in cold blood, and "bonus points" granted if they "accepted His Son", before or after the act, but I'm currently not aware of it."

I'm saying that if they truly feel remorse for their actions, confess them and repent, they have a shot at paradise. God will have to judge them. But if they die without acknowledging what they did was a sin and without repenting, then they are indeed lost.

By: MamaG on 12/29/09 at 11:29

Thanks to all you well-wishers re kid's college! It was a great present to receive!
house, I'll be sure to tell him about the fraternities to stay away from. Fortunately, I don't think he will ever drink or do drugs in his lifetime. He may surprise me but I highly doubt it. He grew up with an alcoholic, drug-addicted father and doesn't want to be anything like that. He said he's afraid if he took one drink he would like it enough to want to keep on drinking and become like his dad.
He has lived a lot of years for someone so young.

By: DustyU on 12/29/09 at 11:32

Blanketnazi - My second wife (I've outlived 3) was from Chad and a Muslim so I've known many on a personal and family level. They're people just like everybody else.

sidneyames - I'm a cat lover too. Scratch grizzley's ear for me.

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By: dargent7 on 12/29/09 at 11:34

Sid: I'm really trying to stay with you on these posts, but have no idea what you're talking about or trying to convey. One, you say, "I want to be by the beach", and last week said you hated San Diego, La Jolla in particular.
There's more beach front property in CA than around here.... I think.
And what does your cat "suning himself" have to do with God's creation, sins, accountability, death and dying?
For simplicity, just say you're jacked up on Oxycotin or Demoral and it would all make sense.

By: sidneyames on 12/29/09 at 11:37

STATEMENT BY THE PRESIDENT AND FIRST LADY ON KWANZAA Michelle and I send warm wishes to all those celebrating Kwanzaa this holiday season. This is a joyous time of year when African Americans and all Americans come together to celebrate our blessings and the richness of our cultural traditions. This is also a time of reflection and renewal as we come to the end of one year and the beginning of another. The Kwanzaa message tells us that we should recall the lessons of the past even as we seize the promise of tomorrow.

I just read an article that said O'man didn't go to church on Christmas. I have not seen his Christmas wish for me, as a Christian.

But I just posted his racist Quanza aka Kwanzaa wish for the holiday. Geeeeez. This Kwanza is not for all people. It is for a select few. And no lectures please. I'm sick of the double standard.

Thanks Dusty for the catch scratch sentiment. And mama, he won't do drugs. He learned a great lesson from watching "what to do" - you and "what not to do" his dad. That's what he needed. You as the strong opposing force to the other side. But I doubt you preached. You lived and set an example or at least that's the vibe I'm getting.

By: sidneyames on 12/29/09 at 11:42

One, you say, "I want to be by the beach", and last week said you hated San Diego, La Jolla in particular

D7 I don't like any part of CA. I love other beaches. So I"m so sorry your comprehension level is 0. One does not necessarily have to love CA and LaJolla to love beaches. Beaches are not exclusively CA.

And I don't do drugs so stop defaming me with your accusations of drug use. Today my strongest drug was Southern Pecan coffee. Gonna have another cup right now.

You, D7, are not only lonely, you are super lonely. Get a blow up doll or something to keep you company. You're getting wacky.

And I'm not happy that the president of the greatest country in the world shunned our majority holiday. Christmas. Merry Christmas. Have a blessed Christmas. Happy Christmas. Have a huge and successful Christmas. I love Christmas and it's true meaning. The gift of life.

By: Loner on 12/29/09 at 11:43

Pastor, the Jewish Messiah was supposed to be a liberator, an earthly, political leader, a warrior king, but a mortal man. The idea of a son of God is enethema to Jewish belief, according to Kaplan.

Our gentile ancestors believed in demigods, when Christianity supplanted our pagan faiths, some perversion of the original faith was inevitable. Indeed, the idea of a Jewish avatar, remains very popular today, though the Jews reject the idea as heresy.

The Shia are waiting for their own Islamic avatar. The Sunni despise them as heretics.

The Abrahamic faiths are all fundamentally ludicrous, their followers largely hypocrites.

As a civilizing influence, religion is highly over-rated.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/29/09 at 11:44

"But, what's the difference between what these Islamic extremists idiots believe and "Born Again" Christians who believe after they've murdered their entire family or the next door neighbor's, all they have to do is "receive the Lord" and they will live in "Paradise" forever? Zero difference."

Ah but one believes that murder is a sin but that if he repents of that sin (even if he is punished with the death penalty) he will be forgiven by God

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Spoken like a true religious hypocrite. The terrorist nut jobs pray to be forgiven right up to the moment they push the button.

The born agains call for Captial Punhisment and then pray to be forgiven for their sins.

By: dargent7 on 12/29/09 at 11:48

Chief: I appreciate your rebuttal, and know we'll never come to a consensus.
Muslims exceed Christians, by population, on earth by a large margin.
Who's to say their twisted, convoluted interpretation of the Qu'uran is any worse than Western's convoluted, twisted interpretation of The Bible?
Personally, I stay away from both.
I don't believe Mohammed was any Savior any more than Jesus Christ.
I once followed the Marharishi and TM until he tried to get into Mia Farrow's pants.
But, she went on to marry Frank Sinatra so maybe he was onto something greater than Nirvana?
Life's really quite easy if you don't try to cut corners, impose your beliefs, and think you've "got it right".
I'm now along the lines of a Gandhi or The Boy Scouts in my behavior patterns.
If I'm wrong, I'll take my chances at The End.

By: DustyU on 12/29/09 at 11:50

sidneyames - Yea coffee!! See today's tennessean article about coffee being good for you? Here's a good joke on that subject that I made up years ago.

You're a Christian right read the bible and all that?
Then you've heard of the seven redemptive names for God. Jehovah Jirah and the rest; God our strength, God our canopy, etc.
Well I've discovered an eighth, Jehovah Java - God our stimulant!

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By: Captain Nemo on 12/29/09 at 11:53

By: dargent7 on 12/29/09 at 11:34
Sid: I'm really trying to stay with you on these posts, but have no idea what you're talking about or trying to convey. One, you say, "I want to be by the beach", and last week said you hated San Diego, La Jolla in particular.
There's more beach front property in CA than around here.... I think.
And what does your cat "suning himself" have to do with God's creation, sins, accountability, death and dying?
For simplicity, just say you're jacked up on Oxycotin or Demoral and it would all make sense.
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I don't know what the problem is dargent. sid keep her computer on the porch and has to run in the house to warm up.

It is the temperature adjustment that causes he disorder.

By: MamaG on 12/29/09 at 11:53

You, D7, are not only lonely, you are super lonely. Get a blow up doll or something to keep you company. You're getting wacky.

D7-just don't get 'whacky' with your blow-up doll! LOL

By: MamaG on 12/29/09 at 11:55

Should have cited sidney on that first part. My bad...

By: DustyU on 12/29/09 at 11:55

Loner - Yeah they were looking for a political leader which is why they wouldn't accept Jesus. I don't believe in a demigod either. Jesus was born of a woman so he was flesh and blood like us.

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By: dargent7 on 12/29/09 at 11:56

Sid: Obama is on a secluded part of the North Shore of O'ahu. If you knew anything from Adam, the churches there hold "services" on the beach, in folding chairs. The church structures around there hold around 100, maybe. He'd block traffic for miles, and keep parishoners away from the services if he went. Get it?
Try knowing what in the F*** you're talking about before pontificating, just once!
And I'm glad you don't wear a string bikini...whale season in Hawai'i just started.

By: DustyU on 12/29/09 at 11:58

D7 - be careful of the scouts - their hatred towards gays comes to mind.

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By: Captain Nemo on 12/29/09 at 11:59

Should it matter if Jesus was a man or the son of God. Shouldn't it be what he was teaching that matters?

By: dargent7 on 12/29/09 at 12:02

MamaG: Thanks for the tip. Who carries blow up dolls in these parts, anyway? I think "Houses" "House of ill repute" outsourced the venture to China.
Any "Doc Johnson's" around here?
I'm still looking for a massuse who specializes in the "happy ending".
Bet Nemo had some leads.
Captain?

By: DustyU on 12/29/09 at 12:04

CaptN - Yeah because Jesus was a man divinely conceived in Mary's womb making him the son of God. Making him into a little god that could do no wrong negates the truth that he as a man lived perfectly "always doing his fathers will". So when he declared that "the works that I do shall ye do also" that means something more than just a platitude!

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By: chiefpayne568 on 12/29/09 at 12:05

DustyU,

Not hatred...the Scouts don't hate gays...they just think they are living wrongly and do not want that as an example for younger children. And since they are a private organization, per the Supreme Court ruling, aren't they allowed to believe what they want?

By: Captain Nemo on 12/29/09 at 12:07

Sorry dargent I don't were any such dolls can be found, but chief knows were to find fuzzy hand puppets.

By: DustyU on 12/29/09 at 12:07

chiefpayne568 - sure but those who have children that have been hurt by their actions don't have to like it.

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By: chiefpayne568 on 12/29/09 at 12:09

Nemo,

Sure I do...all he has to do is contact you since you are the puppet master. After all, you seem to have your hand in a lot of things like that.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/29/09 at 12:11

DustyU:

I would think that all men are the sons and daughters are the children of men.

By: Loner on 12/29/09 at 12:11

Dusty, you wrote, "I don't believe in a demigod either. Jesus was born of a woman so he was flesh and blood like us." OK. Then you do not accept his divinity, right? If you answer by saying that he was both, then you believe in a demigod, for that is the definition of a demigod - half-man half-god.

By: MamaG on 12/29/09 at 12:12

D7-You could probably run down to the Hustler shop and get anything you need. (And I do mean anything-wink, wink!)

By: chiefpayne568 on 12/29/09 at 12:12

DustyU,

I understand there is a group that was making an alternative to the Boy Scouts for gay children. What happened to that concept?

The Boy Scouts had to hold true to the principles they believe in...and so had to do what they thought was right. Just the way it is.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/29/09 at 12:12

God is a White American Man.- Kyle Pyle

By: DustyU on 12/29/09 at 12:12

D7 - check with houseofpain, can probably give you a link. But my sons tended to use clean socks.

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By: Captain Nemo on 12/29/09 at 12:15

By: MamaG on 12/29/09 at 12:12
D7-You could probably run down to the Hustler shop and get anything you need. (And I do mean anything-wink, wink!)
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I would go the local Hustler Shop but I would be afraid of running into some one I know. wink wink

By: DustyU on 12/29/09 at 12:17

Loner - I'm going to piss off a lot of trinitarians but no I don't believe in Christ's "divinity". Like I said my bible reads that he was "the only begotten son of God", conceived of God and born of a virgin.

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By: Loner on 12/29/09 at 12:23

Dusty, do you prefer to think that Jesus was all-man and all-God, rather than half-man and half-God? Is that where you are going with this semantic argument?

By: DustyU on 12/29/09 at 12:23

Chief - probably is but but I never heard of them. My 9 kids are all grown and most of my 21 grandchildren too. (5 ggkids with 3 more on the way.)

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By: DustyU on 12/29/09 at 12:26

Loner - No. I spent 17 years involved with a biblical research ministry and I have never found in any text where Jesus is god or halfgod.

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By: Captain Nemo on 12/29/09 at 12:27

By: DustyU on 12/29/09 at 12:17
Loner - I'm going to piss off a lot of trinitarians but no I don't believe in Christ's "divinity". Like I said my bible reads that he was "the only begotten son of God", conceived of God and born of a virgin.
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DustyU, it is a good thing that house of pain can only count to two or he would be pissed

By: chiefpayne568 on 12/29/09 at 12:28

DustyU,

Didn't the Bible say he was the Son of Man, and later say he was the Son of God? Would that make him both?

By: Loner on 12/29/09 at 12:30

Interesting, Dusty. So, belief in Christ's divinity is not required in order to be saved? That smacks of Christian heresy.

By: DustyU on 12/29/09 at 12:31

Chief - That's right conceived by the Holy spirit in Mary's womb. Genetics 101 - God fertilized the egg which makes him the father. Born of Mary makes him a flesh and blood man.

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By: chiefpayne568 on 12/29/09 at 12:33

DustyU,

Hence God and man in one.

By: gdiafante on 12/29/09 at 12:33

I think a DNA test would prove everyone wrong...and me right...

Jesus is really the son of...

JR Ewing.