Up or Debate: Haslam's budget

Tuesday, January 29, 2013 at 12:19am

What's your reaction to Gov. Bill Haslam proposed next state budget, unveiled at Monday night's State of the State address? What do you think about the possible closing of the Cordell Hull Building

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134 Comments on this post:

By: Rasputin72 on 1/29/13 at 3:08

What would the Simple Six know about a statewide budget?

By: Ask01 on 1/29/13 at 5:21

On the positive side, this will, if we are lucky, provide our elected employees with productive work, citizens with reasons to complain, and, if our legislature remains constant, material for late night comedians to make fun of Tennessee.

What I read of the budget seems fairly innocuous. Sort of like Governor Haslam himself. I can't shake the image of him writing the budget with one hand while using the other to constantly check the wind.

However, considering the infighting we can likely expect from the super majority Republicans, the legislature might just bog down into a useless mass, accomplishing nothing.

By: govskeptic on 1/29/13 at 6:20

With appreciation to our local Public Television station, I watched the entire speech.
It was fairly long, yet had many subjects to hit upon, and the Governor did a good
job with the subjects and projects included. Sounded like solid proposals and
expenditures to this reader, unlike the ramblings we get from news reports and
many posters on local media sites that have no clues, just biased opinions a many.

By: gdiafante on 1/29/13 at 6:39

The Cordell Hull building should be demolished, as should a number of buildings the state owns. Let's face it, they don't have the money to keep these buildings up and if they did, too many people would complain about the expenditures.

I didn't hear or read the budget, nor do I care.

By: Loner on 1/29/13 at 6:47

Good morning, Nashville.

Reverend Haslam...er, I mean Governor Haslam just won't give up on the idea of burdening the taxpayers of TN with the cost of sending kids to private Christian schools, where young, impressionable minds are indoctrinated into the right-wing mindset and where conservative values are inculcated. here is the key passage from the referenced article:

The governor’s office also made his case for supporting a school voucher program that would allow 5,000 parents of low-income children in the bottom 5 percent of schools to send their student to private school using taxpayer dollars. Under his plan, the students could begin using the vouchers in the school year that begins in the fall of 2013, but would climb to up to 20,000 students by the 2016 school year, according to the governor's legislation

Oh yeah, the Governor is a pastor wannabe and he's using his elected office to promote private Christian schools, at the expense of the public education system...Haslam's a Jesus freak....he's gotta a go.

By: Loner on 1/29/13 at 7:10

Christian schools, disguised as "Charter" schools, are nothing more than Christian madrassas, where apartheid Zionism is endowed with Divine sanction and Islam is demonized....where the idea of carrying a firearm is considered following the way of Christ....where homophobia festers and infects young minds....and where secessionist ideology is glorified.

No, the taxpayers in a secular, pluralistic, democratic republic should not be forced to pay for such hateful enterprises as that....education based upon hate is not in the public's best interest...it is a recipe for disaster....your Governor is a clear and present danger to what secular governance remains in the Coonskin Cap state.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/29/13 at 7:33

It will cost 45million to repair the Hull building and 25 million to destroy. What will it cost to rebuild?

By: Captain Nemo on 1/29/13 at 7:35

What does the Ratputin know about a budget?

By: Captain Nemo on 1/29/13 at 7:39

The Boy Scouts will except Gays.

By: gdiafante on 1/29/13 at 7:39

What will it cost to sell it so it can be someone else's problem?

By: Captain Nemo on 1/29/13 at 7:41

My Coon Skin cap walked off last night.

Davy Crockett-

By: Rasputin72 on 1/29/13 at 7:45

I back LONER the retreaded hippie.

Diversity among Americans is disgusting.

Muslims,Christians,Jews,Negroes,Caucasians.Homosexuals,Liberals,Conservatives,Atheists,Mormons,Hispanics,Gays,Democrats,Republicans,Socialists,Communists,Poor,Rich,Asians,Hindus,Leaches,Underclass,Criminals,Men,Women,People You Like,People YouDont Like, Lawyers,Politicians,Simple Sixers,Warmongers,Peace Nannies. It is enough to make a person voice his bias on a little forum 600 miles away from his village.

By: Loner on 1/29/13 at 7:51

As for the Cordell Hull Building, I left this comment on that board

Taxpayer-funded Health, Education and Welfare services in TN have been viciously denigrated and demonized by the right-wingers for decades....no wonder then that this beautiful structure has been allowed to fall into severe disrepair, as it houses the Department of Health and the Department of Children’s Services, as well as other often-despised government agencies.

After they tear down this unique edifice, they'll probably build one of those tax-exempt, born-again, mega-churches on the site....taking another giant step backwards, in the Coonskin Cap State.

By: Rasputin72 on 1/29/13 at 7:52

Captain Nemo......Rasputin knows enough about budgets to know that your budget if you have one is meager and lacking.

By: Loner on 1/29/13 at 7:56

Rasp buggered the board with his 7:45 rant...for some reason, the page width just expanded...to make room for that long-winded tirade....but thanks, Rasp, for your support....I may run for TN Governor, I'll need an endorsement from the local Grey Poupon set....and from homeless guys in la-la land too.

By: Loner on 1/29/13 at 8:01

By: Captain Nemo on 1/29/13 at 7:41

My Coon Skin cap walked off last night.

Davy Crockett-

Captain Nemo...Crockett may have been wearing a zombie coon on his head all those years....it suddenly re-animated itself and escaped?

Maybe the parasite-infested fur cap walked off, using coordinated flea-power.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/29/13 at 8:08

Raspy old boy, we only have your word of your wealth and the word of a charlatan is not very trustworthy.

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By: slacker on 1/29/13 at 8:13

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By: Captain Nemo on 1/29/13 at 8:13

Loner-

Crockett said that on the morning of the last battle at the Alamo.

By: Rasputin72 on 1/29/13 at 8:17

Thanks LONER, I omitted the homeless people in lala land. I also inadvertently left out the internet street evangelists and the people who think it absurd that people who have never accomplished anything make internet suggestions on complex matters as though they have merit.

The very idea of these commoners.

By: BenDover on 1/29/13 at 8:20

Let's talk about the federal budget.

Oh... that's right... they haven't passed one in 3 and a half years.

By: Loner on 1/29/13 at 8:21

Haslam's budget earmarks 60 million for teacher "merit pay"...but there is no official, codified policy in place that defines just what "merit" consists of....therefore, this is, in effect, a slush fund, to reward anti-union teachers and punish those who believe in collective bargaining....Haslam's a scab-loving theocrat....he's gotta go.

By: slacker on 1/29/13 at 8:23

I'm for trying to sell the CH.. If the current zoning can be easily changed, its a piece of valuable commercial property.
But shirley our leaders have explored that option.

By: BenDover on 1/29/13 at 8:23

"It will cost 45million to repair the Hull building and 25 million to destroy. What will it cost to rebuild?"

No... the real question will be which one offers the most graft and kickback for the political class and bureaucrats.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/29/13 at 8:23

Rasputin was raised in a low income neighborhood, but not a Ghetto as he says he was. Raspy was a Drama Queen at an early age.

By: Rasputin72 on 1/29/13 at 8:23

Thanks to you as well. I left off narcissists. There is just too diversity to do justice to the subject.

By: gdiafante on 1/29/13 at 8:25

Ben, do you support a constitutional amendment for a balanced budget?

By: Captain Nemo on 1/29/13 at 8:27

By: Rasputin72 on 1/29/13 at 8:23
Thanks to you as well. I left off narcissists. There is just too diversity to do justice to the subject.

That is your best come back?

By: slacker on 1/29/13 at 8:27

Maybe Rasp. will buy the CH property, and convert it into a downtown condo.

By: Loner on 1/29/13 at 8:31

Ben...did you say "federal"? Oh boy, now it's TARP, TARP, TARP and USURPER, USURPER, USURPER....GOD, GOD, GOD and GUNS, GUNS, GUNS.....you boys need new material....Jingle James, at your service.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/29/13 at 8:33

slacker-

It will become his new summer home after it is boarded up and others homeless move in first.

By: Rasputin72 on 1/29/13 at 8:37

Ooops, I left off people who were poor as children and decided that was something they could do something about and did.

I also left off productive and successful people who think the lower class should have their voting privileges revoked if they do not pay a federal income tax under 65 years of age.

So much diversity and so little space.

LONER knows the problem of diversity and preaches against it everyday.

By: Kosh III on 1/29/13 at 8:37

State employees will get 1.5% raise which will just about cover the rise in insurance premiums that happened the first of 2013 so it's not a net raise.
Of course right after his took office Haslam gave the top officials raises of 40% or more even though some(DCS O'Day) are clearly incompetent.

By: slacker on 1/29/13 at 8:38

Good idea Nemo.. but Rasp will have to enforce the no bowel movements.. inside the building rule.

By: Kosh III on 1/29/13 at 8:39

If the buildings are sold and razed, what will replace it? A high rise which will frak up the skyline and view of the Capitol building?

Which crony will get the land for cheap?

By: Captain Nemo on 1/29/13 at 8:41

Loner, Ben seems somewhat distressed today. Do you think that it could be that Obama’s budget, could the means of getting us out of this mess that Bush got us in?

By: Loner on 1/29/13 at 8:44

The Cordell Hull Building is so dilapidated that it must be razed? Oh yeah? Sez who?

The private-sector man with the wrecking ball, the sweetheart contractor versus the last holdouts for governance that addresses human needs....this battle could have national audience....Americans may be interested in witnessing anti-government, Christian conservatism in action, in a place like Tennessee....or they may prefer to watch the game instead....it's bread & circus time.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/29/13 at 8:44

Kosh, I look for the second year of Dr. Who, but I did not see it anywhere. So I have now seen the first year of Falling Sky. Wow.

By: BenDover on 1/29/13 at 8:51

"Ben, do you support a constitutional amendment for a balanced budget?"

If you are asking if the federal budget should balance income to expense every year, No.

It's historically untenable. We must have debt for one-time crisis like war, natural disaster, economic calamity. Keynes was right on this. Everyone forgets Keynes' second rule though and there is never any political will to pay off the debt in the upswings.

But right now, as I've noted before, we have reached a point of diminishing returns on our deficit spending where the private sector employers and investors are spooked by the mounting debt. Without any reforms it's just throwing bundles of $1000 bills on a brush-fire right now. It's spending our grandchildren's yet-to-be earned money to simply prop up the growing political and bureaucratic class in the country.

By: BenDover on 1/29/13 at 8:54

I think the last 3 budgets Obama bothered to submit were voted down almost unanimously, Nemo.

By: BenDover on 1/29/13 at 8:59

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/227857-senate-rejects-obama-budget-in-99-0-vote/

By: Loner on 1/29/13 at 9:00

The CH Building houses despised government agencies, ergo, it was allowed to slide into its present condition. It was once a symbol of civic pride....now it is a symbol of fear & failure.

Something has drastically changed in the mindset of the average Tennessean since the fifties, when CH was built.

Apparently, government was generally viewed as a force for good back then; but today, government is looked upon with fear and loathing by most Tennesseans. Why is that?

Could it be that forced desegregation in the 50's and 60's resulted in this widespread rejection of governmental authority and this generalized loss of faith in government itself?

Or is it the orchestrated fear that government will take away one's firearms?

Or is it the idea that government is responsible for the deaths of millions of unborn babies?

Maybe, it's the idea that the government is promoting the GLBT agenda?

Perhaps, it is all of the above.

By: govskeptic on 1/29/13 at 9:03

The last Budget voted on by the Senate 's own was defeated 99-1. Sure was bi-partisanship shown on that vote!

By: BenDover on 1/29/13 at 9:10

"Ben...did you say "federal"? Oh boy, now it's TARP, TARP, TARP and USURPER, USURPER, USURPER....GOD, GOD, GOD and GUNS, GUNS, GUNS.....you boys need new material....Jingle James, at your service."

Loner obfuscates and distracts... whatever happened to our thoughtful discussions, old friend?

By: Loner on 1/29/13 at 9:14

Ben...I read the article that you linked to. The Senate Dems voted, "NO" on the the resolution offered by Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-AL), which was an altered misrepresentation of BHO's budget, hence the 99-0 vote. Sessions tried to pull a fast one...it didn't work.

By: BenDover on 1/29/13 at 9:18

I've not read Haslem's budget but if it doesn't include cutting the budget for state police and prisons by about 1/4th then he's as interested in reform as all the other Nazi "Do something!" control nuts in both parties. If there's no 'Justice' system reform on arrest, prosecution and incarceration of non-violent non-conformist 'criminals' of a different opinion; then there's really not much substantial reform that will be added to our society.

By: BenDover on 1/29/13 at 9:19

That's the cover story, loner, and the Whitehouse appreciates your more than dogmatic attention to its spin.

By: gdiafante on 1/29/13 at 9:24

As if your spin isn't Fox talking points, Ben. Pot, meet kettle.

Now regarding our national blessing, since Reagan we've been charging on Daddy's credit card like there's no tomorrow. Well, today is tomorrow and we've become accustomed to the lifestyle that Daddy's card has given us...and as long as Daddy doesn't cut up the card...

FYI: Daddy doesn't have the stones to cut up the card. Until he grows a pair, obladi, oblida...

By: Loner on 1/29/13 at 9:27

Ben wrote, "Loner obfuscates and distracts... whatever happened to our thoughtful discussions, old friend?"

Good question, Ben.

The NCP posting community has attracted annoying trolls, while turning off many thoughtful posters; over time, that loss of intellectual input has probably affected the quality of the discussions here.

Our host once put up multiple LTE's, every day, for discussion; that no longer is the case.... (Mike Burch's weekly missives are more like a column, than a regular LTE, IMO)

Clint Brewer took a hatchet to this online site...we both were banned for a while...it never fully recovered.

I try to stay thoughtful in my commentary...I try to make my posts interesting to read and somewhat entertaining...but, I'm only human, my old friend...I'll try to do better in the future.