Post Politics: Carter should've kept race card in deck

Sunday, September 20, 2009 at 10:45pm

Last week President Jimmy Carter said aloud what many in the political elite make plain only in private.

“I think an overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity toward President Barack Obama is based on the fact that he is a black man,” the former President uttered in response to a question from NBC News.

It was a bold and controversial statement but its sentiments are shared by a large swath of 'enlightened’ opinion in this country. Most prefer more qualifiers and cloaked language than Carter but, at root, they believe what Carter believes: these conservative protester-types are uncomfortable with a black president.

Of course, any conservative politician worth their salt is out there denouncing these words by the former President. Gubernatorial candidate, Rep. Zach Wamp, did not disappoint on this score.

“[President] Carter is wrong again by making opposition to [President] Obama’s policies a racial issue. People can disagree [without] everything being 'racial,’” the candidate posted on Twitter.

So, is this intense heat on Obama from the Right racially motivated? Sure, some of it is. Despite the progress made in this county, there are still race haters who simply will never accept a black man as President.

However, these people are few and far between — just as folks who are completely colorblind are extremely rare. Most Americans are somewhere in the middle.

Would Obama get the same reaction if he wasn’t black? That’s an impossible question to answer. If Barack Obama was a white man named Mike Smith, he wouldn’t be Barack Obama.

It’s like asking if Obama lost white votes in 2008 in certain states because of his race. Well, yes, of course he did. But he also gained votes in certain states because he was black. It was, and is, both a blessing and a curse.

You may disagree, but when I look around the white population of America I do not see a lot of overtly racist people. I do not see folks with a high level of of racial consciousness or solidarity. If you asked most white people if they were racist they would tell you no — and they would believe it. If you hooked them up to a lie detector, they would beat the box.

That is not to say that they don’t have biases or subconscious racial attitudes that are hurtful and even dangerous. In all likelihood, they do. The point is they don’t think they do.

So when average conservative whites, who don’t believe they are racist, are bombarded by messages that they are wicked race haters — they bristle. They dig in. They become resentful. Do these individuals have racial biases they need to think deeper about? Might they benefit from a racial sensitivity course or a seminar on white privilege?

Probably.

But using the mass media to call them out as racist isn’t going to make them suddenly realize the error of their ways and repent. If anything, these attacks will marginalize folks who are already marginal. It will drive them into the arms of the true racists. It may seem counter-intuitive, but sometimes the biggest enemy of increased tolerance and racial healing is “anti-racism” itself.

Why do you think the President is always reticent to ascribe questionable racial motives to whites? I’m sure there are times when he’d like to call out some his detractors as a bunch of ignorant crackers. I know I would if I were him. But he doesn’t. He doesn’t because he knows that it would be counterproductive.

Confrontation was desperately needed during the Civil Rights movement to change laws and confront customs that were overtly racist and needed adjustment. That time is over. The work isn’t done but the last couple humps to true healing are tricky ones. Finesse is needed.

Ta-Nehisi Coates describes Obama’s unique ability to accomplish this.

“He accepts an apology for an immature act of rudeness, and they go hysterical. He takes his wife out for a date, and their veins bulge. His humanity, his ordinary blackness, is killing them,” Coates wrote in a blog post last week.

Condemning the tea party protesters and the townhall agitators for their racism, real or imagined, only further alienates the movement and empowers the demagogues who pull their strings.

Racism is a cancer in America. Radiation has shrunk it down to a manageable size. Now what is required is delicate surgery. Obama is attempting to use a scalpel while people like former President Carter insist on the same old dull blade of anti-racism.

Doctor Obama is in now. Let him work. He’s got this.

Kleinheider is NashvillePost.com's political blogger. Visit him at http://postpolitics.net

75 Comments on this post:

By: courier37027 on 9/20/09 at 11:50

"So when average conservative whites, who don’t believe they are racist, are bombarded by messages that they are wicked race haters — they bristle. They dig in. They become resentful. Do these individuals have racial biases they need to think deeper about? Might they benefit from a racial sensitivity course or a seminar on white privilege? Probably."

No, Mr. Kleinheider, it is a response to beling labelled something that you are not, by people who don't know the first thing about you. It is the reflex mentality of the left: if you are not with us, you must be against us and therefore we must brand you.

Meanwhile, when someone suggests slowing down or not spending (read: wasting) money suddenly that opposition carries a racial overtone? Give me a break. Every proposal this president has made carries a hefty price tag, often with little or no demand to correct the problem. American taxpayers now own much of AIG, two automobile manufacturers, and let us not forget the $20 billion handout to GM just before they filed bankruptcy.

By: rgreen17 on 9/21/09 at 6:04

Onviously we all know this is an opinion piece. Mr. Kleinhedier has no actual concept of journalism as he has conducted no actual research or a mass of interviews to verify his own opinions. The simple statement of "So, is this intense heat on Obama from the Right racially motivated? Sure, some of it is", shows the lack actual intellectual thought. I do not recall anyone stating previously that if you had disagreed with the policies of Bush or Clinton that "it must because they were white". If Colin Powell had run for offie or Condi Rice (God that would have been fantastic!) as conservatives... it wouldn't be racisim that the media or senile fools like Mr. Carter would be screaming about, it would be conservatism. Just as the left in this country with persons of color previously (Clarence Thomas, Colin Powell as secretary of State). The left is motivated by a vile hatred of the United States itself of its Constitution plain an simple.

By: pjsteelman on 9/21/09 at 7:00

Well, Mr. Kleinheider, at least you did spell Jimmy Carter's name correctly.

By: Lab on 9/21/09 at 7:35

For brevity I will echo the above comments. But I do need to ask what your recommended therapy is for some of my friends and acquaintances who are pure-bred Davidson County Democrats, and who openly stated in conversation last fall that they would have to sit out the election because they could not vote for (Obama).

By the way, I missed the Obama plan to get AIG and General Motors back into ownerhip by stockholders that are not government entities. Would you please refresh my memory?

By: Loner on 9/21/09 at 7:47

Is Joe "You lie!" Wilson a racist?

Representative Joe Wilson (R-SC) is a member of the Sons of Confederate Veterans and is one of seven state senators who voted to keep the Confederate flag flying over the SC statehouse - Jimmy Carter was right on, Wilson is definitely a white supremacist.

I invite doubters to read the Confederate Constitution - the mission statement of the Confederacy. Black African slaves or black african slavery are mentioned some eleven times in the sordid document.

The Confederate Constitution is the smoking gun that gives truth to the lie that the Civil War was not about slavery per se. I would imagine that a confederate-flag-waving loud mouth like Wilson has read the Confederate Constitution and still supports the casus belli of the Old South.

May God preserve Barack Obama from racist scum like Joe Wilson.

Bravo, Jimmy Carter!

By: Loner on 9/21/09 at 7:55

Honest, unbigoted opponents of the Obama Administration may now feel the pain that honest, unbigoted critics of the Israeli government feel when their criticisms and suggestions are summarily dismissed as being "anti-Semitic" by nature.

By: pandabear on 9/21/09 at 7:56

There's a homeless guy on the streets that talks
to himself and sometimes, out of the blue, just shouts out at nothing....

He makes more sense than this twerp.

By: frank brown on 9/21/09 at 8:00

I have no idea how many times "black african slaves or slavery is mentioned in the Confederate Constitution" but I can assure the world that my disdain for Barack Hussein Obama has nothing to do with race. I do think that Obama is a better President than Jimmy Carter. In fact I rather doubt Jimmy Carter really understanding how the average family black or white views their lot in life.

By: sidneyames on 9/21/09 at 8:06

Black African slaves or black african slavery are mentioned some eleven times in the sordid document. Go back and dig up history lessons Loner. Go to UTube and look up Rev. Perryman speech. He says "The Bible records the first country to enslave others were the Egyptians, World history records the first to start the African Slave Trade was the Muslims around 650 AD". He talks about Obama and affirms that not all whites are racists. No Joe Wilson does not support racism. He just thinks Obama lied. Obama used the word Liar in his speech, but you're saying its not OK for anyone else to call Obama a liar. He did lie. There are many contradictions in his "message". That's all coming from a 1/2 white man. So it's not about race because he is not 100% black. I don't like him because of his abortion policy, not his race. What part of abortion policy don't you get? And remember this: The Democrats voted against the Civil Rights Movement. They voted against many race-related bills in the past. Look it up. Rev. Perryman talks about it. Review his UTube speech and get his book about Obama Drama.

By: govskeptic on 9/21/09 at 8:15

We've seen this race baiting so many times it becomes a
bore to all but those using it and loves their faces on TV.
or in the ditto print media.

By: sidneyames on 9/21/09 at 8:28

This minister makes sense: YouTube - Tea Party Racism Rev Perryman Says Enough - and I for one am tired of being called a racist when I oppose O'bama's abortion policy.

By: Loner on 9/21/09 at 8:42

Still in denial, the South has never fully repented of its sin. Anyone who would support flying the stars and bars, the flag of white supremacy over a statehouse is indeed a racist.

Here's what many feel is an appropriate analogy: The Confederate Flag is to black Americans as the Swastika is to the world's Jews. There were differences between the two horrific experiences, of course, there were no death camps (other than Andersonville) in the Old South, but the Black Holocaust in America lasted for hundreds of years and resulted in an oppressed African diaspora in the USA and lingering racism.

Unlike the case with the Jewish State in Palestine, the Liberian experiment to "repatriate" unwanted, freed, American slaves (the African diaspora in America) was recognized as being aversive racism and the US government withdrew its support for the scheme.

By: Cookie47 on 9/21/09 at 8:44

Cookie47

I could care less what color Barack NObama is. He could be green for all I care. I don't like him because he's a extremist socialist pig.

Jimmy Carter is just an idiot. I contend Carter wants NObama to fail so he'll no longer be thought of as the worst president in history. For the love of God, Jimmy, just go home and shut up!

By: Loner on 9/21/09 at 8:55

Let me refresh the memories of the Jimmy Carter haters.

Jimmy Carter secured two lasting peace teaties - Israel & Egypt and Israel & Jordan. Still, the Israelis and their supporters in the US dare to call President Carter an anti-Semite. The ingrates!

Carter was a victim of circumstance, he was left holding the bag, after years of foolish US support for the hated Shah. Later, Reagan's people worked behind Carter's back to avert an October surprise release of the hostages. Walter Cronkite later repented and regretted beating the tom-tom every night over the hostage issue - that really destroyed Carter's effectiveness.

Carter is a model former president. He doesn't just talk the talk, he walks the walk.

By: localboy on 9/21/09 at 9:27

With regard to [Representative] Zach Wamp - I don't remember his quotes on a similar vein concerning [President] Bush - please enlighten the public.

By: BigPapa on 9/21/09 at 9:31

The only thing Carter proved is that he still knows how to make everyone hate him. Obama doesn't want to be associated with the high pitched scream of racism at every turn, and of course people who have legitimate disagreements with the direction this country is headed dislike being painted with such a wide sweeping generalization.
way to go Jimmy- ya still got it!

By: Cookie47 on 9/21/09 at 9:43

Loner,

Carter and his administration should have known what the backlash would be when they allowed the "hated" Shah into this country for medical treatment. They gambled and lost. As a result, 52 Americans were held hostage 444 days by a country Carter was too weak to stand up to.

Face it. Carter was a weak president and your love fest of this guy isn't going to change that.

Cookie47

By: sidneyames on 9/21/09 at 9:58

Hey Loner, I just back tracked on CP and read what you said. Thank you. I accept.
I do want to ad this: If Carter wanted to stir up racial hatred, he couldn't have done it better than his most recent mis-statement. Cookie47 said: As a result, 52 Americans were held hostage 444 days by a country Carter was too weak to stand up to. And Cookie, my family was involved in that fiasco. My former husband was shipped out to the Indian ocean where he was on an aircraft carrier escort ship. He was never the same after being under that pressure for 72 days. That fiasco probably disrupted more than the 52 Americans held hostage 444 days. We should have learned our lesson then. But we're still being held hostage.

By: pswindle on 9/21/09 at 10:01

Of course, it is racial against our President. One of my friends told me that she would never vote for a black man, and I have seen some of the nastiest emails about President Obama, and the pictures that depicts him in a way that has no respect for the office of anything. He came in office with the worse mess that our country has been in. It took Bush/Cheney eight years to destroy our country and you expect President Obama to change it in less than a year.
To sidneyames:
Everything with you boils down to abortion. I hope you or your family are never faced with that decision, but I predict that you will sometimes. It is a terrible decision to make, but most are thankful that the law gives that option. It is not something that one wants, but one that has to be done. One day you will understand. No one gets out of this life without having to make tough decisions.

By: Loner on 9/21/09 at 10:04

Restraint is not weakness, Cookie47. Tolerance is not weaknes and neither is diplomacy. You may prefer presidents who get angry, shoot from the hip and think later, but I prefer a president who thinks before acting. You may prefer a US president who values Israel's interests more than our own, but I do not. You prefer military confrontation, I prefer diplomacy.

By: Loner on 9/21/09 at 10:12

OK, Sid. Carter did not "stir up racial hatred" as you claim, he exposed it. Kleinheider is right, people do not like to discuss their own shortcomings, they would rather blame the one who points them out. This is part of the ugly side of human nature and we are all guilty as charged.

By: Loner on 9/21/09 at 10:26

Surely Carter made mistakes...no "lovefest" here. He funded the Mujahadeen against the Soviets and boycotted the Moscow Olympics. In hindsight, it is plain to see that we should have aided the Soviets in their attempt to rid Afghanistan of its militant Jihadis. The Mujahadeen guys are the grandfathers and fathers of the Talibani.

Carter has acknowledged his mistakes and has not tried to blame others.

By: sidneyames on 9/21/09 at 10:36

No, pswindle you are incorrect when you say "Everything with you boils down to abortion. I hope you or your family are never faced with that decision, but I predict that you will sometimes. It is a terrible decision to make, but most are thankful that the law gives that option" And for your information, I"ve already dealt with it. At 19 I helped my friend get an abortion; later she went through 3 husbands;never told them why she couldn't have kids anymore; drank; had a 4.0 in college and was not smart enough to get counseling; killed herself at 40. I know that she NEVER got over killing an unborn child and I have never gotten over paying to have it killed. So, I've already had the "experience" thank you. It cuts to the very soul of the person(s) involved. If you want to have an abortion, PAY FOR IT YOURSELF, but taxpayers who have a conscience don't want to pay for it. Exclude us, sort of like the conscientious objectors to war. We don't want it. Obama signed the Mexico treaty two days into office. He spit in Regan's face and the Bush's face. I don't dislike anyone due to skin color; it's their politics and hatred towards unborn babies that I dislike. So when you say "It is not something that one wants, but one that has to be done" you are incorrect. If you want a baby, have sex. If you don't want a baby, abstain. Everyone knows by now where babies come from. Don't procreate if you don't want to pay the price.

By: Cookie47 on 9/21/09 at 10:38

Loner,

Restraint is a weakness if you don't have the guts to stand up for yourself (in this case, the country and people he swore to protect and defend) when restraint is no longer working.

Like you, I would much rather have a president that thinks before acting. Unfortunately, Carter didn't have what it took to act and act decisively.

There is always a time for diplomacy. I would prefer it to sending anyone into combat. However, once that time has passed and diplomacy hasn't worked, then, and only then, it's time to kick the crap out of the trouble-making bully. Carter didn't have the strength or fortitude to do that.

And before you say it, NO, the United States is not the bully now or then.

As for this article, racism in all forms should be wiped from the face of the earth. Yes, it still raises its ugly head in this country from time to time and should not be tolerated. Unfortunately, it's now become a crutch, a "Card", to be played when someone doesn't agree with someone. Something that is so ugly has now been reduced to the same thing a kid would say on a playground somewhere.

"Teacher! Teacher! He's being mean to me!" has now become "You don't agree with me. YOU'RE RACIST! I'll use that to make you look bad and shut you up!"

Childish! Simply childish!

Cookie47

By: sidneyames on 9/21/09 at 10:39

Oh and P.S. I've actually talked to idiots who say "well killing the baby is cheaper than raising it 18 years" and I hope that you don't think that way. Ohhhhh! How cold and cruel. No one has to have an abortion. There are people in the world who will step up and raise a child. So practice birth control; keep your drawers on!

By: girlygirl on 9/21/09 at 11:12

Loner: You forgot to mention Camp Douglas - a Confederate prison camp - located on the south side of Chicago. Yes, atrocities were, and are still, committed sometimes by folks other than Southerners.

Just curious... I'm a white registered democrat, I attended TSU, I voted for Obama, and, while I like him personally, I've been very disappointed with some of his decisions as president. Does that make me a racist?

By: Cookie47 on 9/21/09 at 11:18

By: girlygirl on 9/21/09 at 11:12 "Just curious... I'm a white registered democrat, I attended TSU, I voted for Obama, and, while I like him personally, I've been very disappointed with some of his decisions as president. Does that make me a racist?"

No, it doesn't make you a racist. You've got buyer's remorse just like I got when Bush did nothing about the illegals. OMG, maybe you're becoming a conservative!!! Come on over to the dark side!!!

Cookie47

By: pswindle on 9/21/09 at 11:37

sidneyames
I'm sorry for your lose, but not all abortions fall into that category. Everyone has the option to not have an abortion, but do not take the right away from others where that is the only option becasue of unforseen circumstances. It sounds like your friend had other problems beside the abortion issue.

By: sidneyames on 9/21/09 at 11:57

Pswindle, you didn't read my post. It says: Yes, have your abortion, but don't use my TAX DOLLARS TO PAY FOR IT. Take responsibility. Buy a condom; if you can't afford a condom; don't do IT! But if you get pregnant, and YOU don't want the baby, then it falls on YOU to pay for YOUR own abortion. You buy your toothpaste, your cell phone, your shoes, your underwear, so pay for YOUR own abortion. Don't punish the people who do not want to pay for abortions. You do the deed, YOU pay for it.

By: sidneyames on 9/21/09 at 11:59

Please watch UTube - at this address: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThzM22US-Jo

He seems to be a gentleman and a scholar. A little truth never hurt anyone. How come the people he mentioned are not in your "racist rants"?

By: Loner on 9/21/09 at 12:13

Girlygirl, I agree atrocities were committed on both sides during the Civil War. My point is, those who still support the Confederate cause are either ignorant of the truly racist nature of the Southern Casus belli or else they are aware of the white supremacist nature of the Confederacy and still support it. Supporters of the Confederacy fall into two distinct classes: the Ignorant and/or the A-holes. Which one are you, Girly?

By: pswindle on 9/21/09 at 12:13

Sidneyames
If someone needs an obortion for unforseen circumstances, and cannot pay for it, she will have it anyway. Who do you think will end up paying for the abortion? We the taxpayers. They wil just go and get it under Medicaid. I don't see the difference. In the option idea, everyone will have to buy some type of insurance. So all of it would not fall on the taxpayer. I have always been careful about one's rights. I do not want others to believe like me, but I want the freedom to believe in my issues.

By: Cookie47 on 9/21/09 at 12:28

Loner,

I was born and raised in the Nashville area. I don't support racism nor the "confederate cause". I also don't like damn Yankees coming down here and telling us how they did it back home. If a Yankee doesn't like the way we do things, happiness is a northbound Yankee.

Now, I have to ask. Are you a Yankee? I ask because a true Southern Gentleman would not ask a woman (GirlyGirl) if she were ignorant or an a-hole. Perhaps an apology is in order, Loner? What do you thnk?

Cookie47

By: Loner on 9/21/09 at 12:30

Here's a couple of snippets from your beloved Confederae Constitution:

Article IV. Sec. 2. (I) The citizens of each State shall be entitled to all the privileges and immunities of citizens in the several States; and shall have the right of transit and sojourn in any State of this Confederacy, with their slaves and other property; and the right of property in said slaves shall not be thereby impaired.

Need more? How's this?

Article IV. Sec. (3) The Confederate States may acquire new territory; and Congress shall have power to legislate and provide governments for the inhabitants of all territory belonging to the Confederate States, lying without the limits of the several Sates; and may permit them, at such times, and in such manner as it may by law provide, to form States to be admitted into the Confederacy. In all such territory the institution of negro slavery, as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected be Congress and by the Territorial government; and the inhabitants of the several Confederate States and Territories shall have the right to take to such Territory any slaves lawfully held by them in any of the States or Territories of the Confederate States.

Need to see more? go here:

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_csa.asp

Now, nobody on this board can claim ignorance on this crucial point.

By: Loner on 9/21/09 at 12:37

Apology? From me? No way, Girly. Your xenophobic use of the term "yankee" has tipped your hand...you are a modern day Confederate sympathizer. The snippets I posted and the link provided are all the evidence that one needs to conclude that defenders of the Confederacy, regardles of their gender, are ignorant and/or A-holes

If the truth hurts...sorry 'bout that, Girly. Repent and atone!

By: Loner on 9/21/09 at 12:45

BTW, yes, I am a Yankee. My great-great grandfather fought with the NY 8th HVY ARTY , he joined up when he was just sixteen and was wounded and captured by rebel troops at the Battle of Cold Harbor. He was held at Libby prison, where he contracted scurvy. His leg wound was never treated properly, he limped for the rest of his life. He died at age 83.

My home county is very rural - Orleans Co. New York. Small as it is, our relatively sparsely populated county lost over 450 men in the Civil War, a huge per capita price to pay to defeat white supremacy and to save the union. I owe it to those who never returned to tell it like it is...and was.

By: Cookie47 on 9/21/09 at 12:48

The apology suggestion didn't come from GirlyGirl. It came from me, Cookie47. If you are a gentleman, Southern or otherwise, you owe her one.

Let me explain something to you, Loner. Most people in the south don't think about what color a person. They're simply another person. You're the one that has a preoccupation with a person's color and racism but you're obviously a liberal and they tend to put labels on everything.

Now, where's that apology for GirlyGirl. I'm sure your Moma raised you better than that.

Cookie47

By: cmarcus45 on 9/21/09 at 12:55

This is simply Carter's way of trying to be relevant. It looks as if the Democrats are using the strategies they often try to tag Republicans with -- that is, they are spreading fear (that opposers are discriminating and will continue to do so) in an effort to stick it to the working man (through increased taxes and fees after spending stupid amounts of money on health care that will largely benefit those who choose to not work). Just another way of expanding and centralizing the government with no eye toward the current and future cost.

By: slzy on 9/21/09 at 12:56

the dred scott decision,which the taney court said the courts had no power to regulate slavery in any of the several states and territories.,is what led to the civil war.
for instance,say you were a slaveholder from south carolina,and you have excess semi-skilled labor on the plantation,and you bid on a construction project in chicago. dred scott says you can take your slaves anywhere,so the planter gets the contract,because free labor cannot compete with slave labor.

before the war started,there were already slaves counted in the census of kansas and nebraska.
once again,there was no way a homesteader could hope to compete with slave gangs working a farm.

human nature has not changed much,the contractors who hire illegal aliens are the new slaveholders. there is no way anyone following the law can compete with the criminals hiring illegals.

By: Loner on 9/21/09 at 1:01

Both of you, GirlyGirl and Cookie47, are Confederate sympathizers, your fanciful denials nowithstanding. As such, I do not owe either of you any sort of apology. I showed you the smoking gun - the Confederate Constitiution - yet you still still support the Confederacy and demand an apology from me?

No way, baby!

By: abrahamlincoln on 9/21/09 at 1:10

if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, its a duck, same for the racists, if they talk like a racists, its a racists

By: abrahamlincoln on 9/21/09 at 1:13

dam! southern confederate traitors, terorrists, comitted treason against the u.s.a. and raised arms against the good old u.s.a., you southern confederate traitors got your a-- whoooop! the good old u.s.a. put a boot in your a-- because its the american way

By: abrahamlincoln on 9/21/09 at 1:16

I will defend the united states of america with my life, especially against american traitors, terorrists that would seek to harm the united states of america

By: Cookie47 on 9/21/09 at 1:27

Loner wrote: "My great-great grandfather fought with the NY 8th HVY ARTY , he joined up when he was just sixteen and was wounded and captured by rebel troops at the Battle of Cold Harbor. He was held at Libby prison, where he contracted scurvy. His leg wound was never treated properly, he limped for the rest of his life. He died at age 83."

First, I thank you for your Great-Great-Grandfather's service. From what you wrote, he served his country well. It's obvious you're proud of him as you should be.

I, too, have family members that fought in the Civil War (too many to mention here). While I don't agree with slavery, they fought for what they believed in as your grandfather did. For most Southerns, it wasn't about slavery ONLY. It was also about state's rights and an over-reaching federal government.

At this point in history, we should come together civilly to eradicate racism. Carter should stop pointing fingers, trying to paint most Southerns and some other Americans as still racist. 99% of the people I know are NOT racist and disagree completely with judging a person by the color of their skin.

Perhaps you and the former president should not make such broad sweeping accusations. I'm sure you would not like the same in return.

Cookie47

By: Loner on 9/21/09 at 1:33

Honest Abe speaks the truth.

The Confederacy was a terrorist entity, most black Americas would agree on that point.

The Confederates took up arms against the United States of America, they were armed terrorists.

The Confederates had a mission statement - the Confederate Constitution, they were militant terrorists, hopped up on a race-based cause that had the blessings of he Southern-based religious leadership.

Robert E. Lee was the Bin Laden of the Confederacy. A West Point graduate, Lee betrayed his oath of allegiance.. His "honor" and allegiance to Virginia, rather than to the USA, cost 618,000 combatants their lives.

There was no glory. Just perfidy and agony.

By: Loner on 9/21/09 at 1:55

Cookie, thanks for your thoughts about my great-great grandfather. I suspect that he was like your own ancestors, who served in the CSA, in that he was duped into service by war mongers.

Both sides used the churches as recruiting stations. Peer pressure to "volunteer" must have been enormous....on both sides of the divide.

Politicians and newspapers exploited the long-smoldering conflict, North and South.

The Civil War gave rise to the modern military-industrial complex.... a powerful lobby, then and now.

The enlisted men on the front lines were little more than cannon fodder...the carnage is difficult to imagine.

The lasting shame is when folks today try to re-write history and claim that white supremacy and the moral and legal validity of the institution of black African slavery were not central to the Confederate casus belli (cause for war). As I said, the Confederate Constitution is the smoking cannon.

Let's hope that our ancestors rest in peace and that we do not repeat their mistakes. If the union should ever break up in the future, let's hope that cooler heads prevail....war is not the answer .

By: Cookie47 on 9/21/09 at 1:55

Loner, you and Abe obviously want to paint all Southerns with the same brush as Carter. All I can tell you is 99% of the people I know are NOT racist and disagree completely with judging a person by the color of their skin.

At this point in history, we should come together civilly to eradicate racism. Carter should stop pointing fingers, trying to call out most Southerns as still racist. Like myself, most are not. Perhaps you and the former president should not make such broad sweeping accusations.

I'll leave you and Abe to discuss the historical aspects of the Civil War. When ya'll decide to discuss the stupidity of racism as well as Jimmy Carter in the present tense, let me know.

Cookie47

By: slzy on 9/21/09 at 2:10

odd that slavery was not central,but it was the sole topic of the lincoln-douglas debate.

By: Loner on 9/21/09 at 2:10

States Rights are fine, as long as one of those "rights" isn't a right to deny basic human rights to some of the state's residents or to guarantee the right of some residents to own other residents.

Sadly, but uderstandably, the concept of States Rights took a real beating as a result of the war. Today, we should think of ourselves as Americans first, not New Yorkers or.Tennesseans. Can I get an Amen on that?

By: slzy on 9/21/09 at 2:12

odd too,for slavery not central,but the troops from alabama,tennessee,kentucky,north carolina,and missouri that fought for the north were from the portionns of those states where slavery was not profitable.