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Monday, February 28, 2011 at 10:05pm

Sulphur Dell would serve the city by nudging the Germantown area in the direction it is already going — spurring economic development and increasing the tax base.

SoBro doesn't need further stimulus — evidence, MCC. The mayor is right to focus on an amphitheater at the thermal site.

The North Gulch would best be a shopping district that flanks the ever trendy Gulch, but certainly is a second-best location.

Posted by "alanhuffman"

 

Filed under: City Voices
Tagged: Gulch | SoBro | Sulphur Dell

62 Comments on this post:

By: Captain Nemo on 3/1/11 at 7:11

Good morning
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By: Captain Nemo on 3/1/11 at 7:11

I like this idea because of its historical place in Nashville history. It was a beautiful old ball park.

http://www.sulphurdell.com/

By: gid on 3/1/11 at 7:13

That is now a parking lot and the site was dimantled in 1969 or so.
It is in Germantown - I dont feel like being robbed or my car broken into - again.

Thermal site or the east bank.

By: Captain Nemo on 3/1/11 at 7:27

Then I would stay home if I were you gid.

By: Loner on 3/1/11 at 7:41

Wait a minute, the Sounds stadium was an issue a couple of years ago; I though that the deal had been resolved and this bread & circus scheme to raid the public treasury was old news. Back then, they were talking about the old thermal site. Have the Sounds been playing in their old stadium all this time?

Minor League Baseball is withering away in popularity, like baseball itself; all the wishful thinking and nostalgia in the world cannot alter that fact. A new stadium is an unaffordable boondoggle waiting to happen.

If the Sounds try to shakedown the taxpayers, fire them!

By: Captain Nemo on 3/1/11 at 7:48

Loner-

If fail through when the owners could not get the money together and then Mayor Purcell withdrew city support. That move freed the site for other prospect.

I don't remember all the details.

By: treehugger7 on 3/1/11 at 8:04

An ampitheater and baseball stadium could share the same site. Baseball stadiums are not used all the time and neither are amphitheaters. Of course, LP field could also be used more often had the city been smart enough to require that of the senile old man!

By: Loner on 3/1/11 at 8:08

Ah, thank you, Captain Nemo....this is the same old crap in a new wrapper. Has anything changed significantly? Baseball is going down the tubes; that may be hard for some folks to swallow, but the role of "Guvmint" is not to provide subsidized, professional, sports entertainment.

All you strict constitutionalists, please show me where taxpayer financing of sports stadiums is authorized.

By: Loner on 3/1/11 at 8:22

An amphitheater will attract too many GLBT types to Music City.....the theocrats who run things in Tennessee do not want their children exposed to thespian activity.....Christ hated a thespian, we know that.

Achtung! Nashville must be "Thespianfrei".

By: Loner on 3/1/11 at 8:30

Many, perhaps most cities are trying to stay out of bankruptcy; Nashville, however, has public funds to burn....how do you do that?

I mean sports stadiums, convention centers, public "art", fairgrounds transformation and proposed roundabouts.....where is the money coming from? Is it royalties on every Country and Western song, or what?

Please share the secret of your phenomenal wealth.

By: Captain Nemo on 3/1/11 at 8:31

tree7-

The city gave away the rights to LP stadium and now we have to ask Bud for permission to do anything on city own prosperity. City council back then vote to sell the city’s soul just to get the Goodyear Blimp to fly over.

By: Antisocialite on 3/1/11 at 8:34

Loner, I hear you on the subsidization issue, but I respectfully disagree that 'baseball is going down the tubes' or 'withering away in popularity.'

How many Sounds games have you been to in the past three years? I've been to several, and there is no shortage of folks who want to come out and see games. Despite traffic issues and amenities that aren't even on par with some single A parks, people still show up, in pretty decent numbers, for baseball. Couple that with the fact that it's popularity is second only to soccer among people of Central and South American descent, which happen to be some of the fastest growing segments of the population both of the area and the nation as a whole (cue bigoted remark in 3, 2, 1...), and you have yourself a pretty solid recipe for continued success.

It's true that baseball is not as popular as football, but that does not preclude it from being a very popular sport, and it definitely doesn't mean that it is withering away.

By: Captain Nemo on 3/1/11 at 8:37

I am not sure where it is coming from, but during the depression Nashville did better than most cities.

By: Captain Nemo on 3/1/11 at 8:40

My last post was directed to Loner.

By: gid on 3/1/11 at 8:48

By: Captain Nemo on 3/1/11 at 7:27
Then I would stay home if I were you gid.

--- I will, no need to go to Germantown to watch the hookers and druggies conduct business. This area is no place for the Sounds.

By: Loner on 3/1/11 at 8:52

Maybe they'll carry that 8:30 post as the next Reader Comment, Captain, then people might come forward and disclose the source of the cash....or not.

Antisocialite, you may be right on the popularity of baseball in Latin America...maybe the "illegals" will actually save the national pastime from extinction; wouldn't that be ironic?

Here is a site that offers a cogent analysis of the baseball situation:

http://bottomlinesportsshow.wordpress.com/2010/02/18/2009-nfl-preseason-preview/

By: AmyLiorate on 3/1/11 at 9:10

"All you strict constitutionalists, please show me where taxpayer financing of sports stadiums is authorized."

You know it Loner. It's not there or in the Metro Charter. But much like anything else, the people who should be leading the city are off building circus arena's and starting a parade. That stuff is always more fun than doing the city's real work: drainage issues, school budgets, mending the 100 year old water and sewer mains that keep busting up the streets downtown. Never mind the crime around you... we need a new ball park for a business that won't build it's own.

If Krafty Karl is going to build a baseball stadium in his own honor then at least he should save land cost and put it on top of the MCC!

The tourist masses and local asses will already be there according to Producer2 and all the other profiteers sucking on the Metro teat. So it will be a hit, the mayor will knock it out of the park and get a home run for his next campaign.

By: Loner on 3/1/11 at 9:22

Amen, Amy.

Panem et circum worked for Caesar; it still works today. Dedicating a new ballpark is always more fun than dedicating a new sewage treatment facility.

By: Loner on 3/1/11 at 9:34

Gotta sign off, for now....going to the NY DMV to get the DHS-approved enhanced NY DL...so I can visit Canada. Another post 9-11 SNAFU. See ya later!

By: brrrrk on 3/1/11 at 9:56

Antisocialite said

"It's true that baseball is not as popular as football, but that does not preclude it from being a very popular sport, and it definitely doesn't mean that it is withering away."

It would be interesting to see a ROI study done comparing a minor league baseball franchise to an NFL football franchise. I wouldn't be surprised if minor league ball came out on top.

By: AmyLiorate on 3/1/11 at 10:10

For those out there who like to join in thoughtful skepticism:

http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2011/02/war-partys-atrocity-porn.html

Don't just read the first bit and think you see the gist of the article, Griggs is going deep in this post. Read on down into the part about how many journalists go through CIA training.

A take on what might be in contrast to the balance of power here, as the free press is often viewed as the "fourth leg" of our government. And if many journalists are quasi operatives, then how can we expect other countries to treat ALL journalists?

This is why I like to read and see others post foreign news sites in addition to our own.

By: Antisocialite on 3/1/11 at 10:39

Well brrrk, I'm not sure how an ROI study would look at things, but it seems logical that people that have come to whichever area ends up being picked for an eight dollar baseball game will have more cash to spend at surrounding businesses than people who have come to LP field and paid forty-five dollars for a Titans game.

Sure, in terms of sales tax for the city, where the money was spent is less of an issue, but I'd rather that thirty-seven dollar remainder be spread around to local businesses rather than in the NFL's pocket. And that's just the ticket price, let's not even go into how much is spent on merchandise in LP... if only that kind of money was being spread around to local shops every few games in the summertime. Unfortunately Greer has no real commercial development around it, and fans leave immediately after the game.

I can't see the Sulphur Dell location being much better considering that almost all surrounding lots are either state owned, or already developed residential condominiums or apartments. Not to mention the extra parking burden this would put on the downtown area when you realize the hundreds of parking spaces that are currently used by state employees that would need to be demolished for the park.

The PSC Metals yard is nothing more than a pipe dream until I hear something concrete from someone on their side of things, because, quite frankly, their property is ideally suited to their needs; and moving them from it will take some tax incentives and subsidization that might even rival the park itself. River, Interstate, and rail access are necessary for the type of business that they run and good luck finding another site as convenient for their individual customers as that one.

I'm not really sure where I come down on the Thermal site yet, but those are just some of the issues I see with the whole ordeal.

By: yogiman on 3/1/11 at 10:46

Amy,

Constitutionally wise, we elect special groups of people to represent us in all branches of government. They feel they are representing us the way we (probably) want them to... so they unhesitatingly give our money to the strangers they think we would appreciate them giving it to. Simple, isn't it?

That way, we can readily re-elect them so they can make a career out of their service.

By: yogiman on 3/1/11 at 10:52

Amy,

We don't seem to have any official journalists in our nation anymore. They are not reporters anymore. they are simply actors.

How can they explain how they could bring Tiget Woods down to the bottom of the ladder in just a few days when his wife caught in goofing up but they can't seem to find out if Barack Obama is that man's legal name?

By: AmyLiorate on 3/1/11 at 10:56

Money, so they say / Is the root of all evil / Today

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_theticket/20110301/ts_yblog_theticket/as-federal-investigation-winds-down-john-edwards-vanishes-from-public-eye

"Rachel "Bunny" Mellon, a banking heiress who reportedly gave millions in undocumented contributions to Edwards--cash that one former top Edwards aide, Andrew Young, has said was used to cover up the former boss's affair with Hunter."

By: gdiafante on 3/1/11 at 12:01

I find it highly ironic that, on another thread, yogi is condemning the grammatical ability of the current generation.

As far as a ballpark...if you build it, they will come. Not sure if they'll continue to come after the novelty wears off though.

By: Captain Nemo on 3/1/11 at 12:50

gid-

I thought we were talking about Germantown in Nashville TN. The Germantown I know is the in place to live with nice homes and good places to eat.

By: Captain Nemo on 3/1/11 at 1:07

Yogi-

Show proof of your accusations or shut the hell up you senile old man!

By: gid on 3/1/11 at 1:33

Capt N.

I am referring to Nashville's Germantown. On one street you will find 500k homes and the very next street drug deals and hookers. I considered moving there but not after I spent a few weekends driving around the area.

A study has been completed on the best location for the Sounds Stadium (several 100k in taxpayer money too) and it was found the Thermal site as the best location. Now Dean wants something else there and I bet this report will show that

By: brrrrk on 3/1/11 at 2:17

gid said

"I am referring to Nashville's Germantown. On one street you will find 500k homes and the very next street drug deals and hookers."

And of course we all know that none of that kind of stuff happens in Green Hills, or Bell Meade, or Brentwood, or Franklin.......

By: Captain Nemo on 3/1/11 at 2:18

gid-

I know people that live in Germantown for years and even when it was not the best or safest place to be. I have seen with my own eyes the hookers and drug dealers there, but they have being displaced once the dissent people moved in. I can remember when that area was nothing but a shantytown and now it is a jewel. It is only a matter of time before all of North Nashville will shine.

As for as a ball park being build there I don’t see it myself. However when I was younger, I can remember going to the ball games and even being on the field with my Little League team. So if they do put it there, it would be OK with me.

By: brrrrk on 3/1/11 at 2:31

I've got to give it to this Scott Walker character.... he's as wily a weasel as there is. One of the things that he's attempting to push through is a law that would require all voters to have a picture ID. Now I know what you're thinking.... wouldn't this keep people who shouldn't be voting from voting? Yeah, maybe so. Hell, if you listen to the GOP, every one who votes Democratic is an illegitimate voter. Problem is that it also prevents those who have the perfectly legal right to vote from being able to vote. How so you might ask.

Well chances are they will use a drivers license for the ID. And who are the most likely to not drive? The elderly (who can no longer can't or chose not to drive), the poor (who don't drive because they can't afford a car), and the urban (who don't drive because they use mass transit). And gee, who do these three groups generally vote for? Hmmmm.

By: gdiafante on 3/1/11 at 2:41

Brrrk, the GOP are out of their mind. They defend Wall Street, corporations and bankers and attack teachers and workers. I hope the people in Wisconsin continue to protest these miserable pricks.

By: revo-lou on 3/1/11 at 2:46

I guess the teachers and workers should have put their money into the GOP coffers!!THAT would have really screwed up the GOP agenda.

By: gid on 3/1/11 at 2:50

Capt N

You are correct, the area has become more liveable and is much better than it was just a few years ago. I am sure given a few more years the area will be even better.
I do not feel this area is a good location for a stadium though. Too residental.
I guess I am disappointed in Dean - a study was done already and he is trying to inject his personal feeling that something else should go on the thermal site.
Let the Sounds build there - there is room for a stadium and theatre

By: gid on 3/1/11 at 2:53

brrrk

A person can get picture ID's without having a license. I am for stopping any illegal voting.

By: Captain Nemo on 3/1/11 at 2:54

Where the teacher screwed up was working for government that could not give them a completive wage as they would have made in the private sector.

By: gdiafante on 3/1/11 at 2:56

Think of all the forged/illegal documents that they have to produce in order to be here, but requiring picture ID's will suddenly pose a problem. Laughable.

By: Captain Nemo on 3/1/11 at 2:57

Does anyone know how much illegal voting goes on and where is the evidence of this?

By: gdiafante on 3/1/11 at 2:59

Voter fraud has always existed...so has fake ID's.

By: Captain Nemo on 3/1/11 at 2:59

I thought that it was a simple matter to forge fake drivers ID’s. Collage students do it all the time.

By: gdiafante on 3/1/11 at 3:06

Yes they do. This is a joke, as are most things the GOP comes up with. IF they were really serious about immigration, they wouldn't be hell bent on dissolving collective bargaining rights and DEAL WITH IMMIGRATION.

But this rallies those twin brain cells in the people they call their base.

By: AmyLiorate on 3/1/11 at 3:07

I can't wait until I'm dead so I can vote more often. Once you've been buried the threat of fines and/or jail seems to greatly diminish as a deterrent. Or so I hear.

I think they are pitching the same plan here in TN, but you will be able to get a fee ID made if you don't already have one for other reasons.

Maybe they're just trying to single out the burka wearing women, do they tend to vote D or R?

By: yogiman on 3/1/11 at 3:13

brrrrk,

There is an age factor in having a picture required on your DL. Don't remember the age but I think it's 65.

By: Captain Nemo on 3/1/11 at 3:14

If the truth be known the GOP is out to get all women whose name start with A. lol

By: yogiman on 3/1/11 at 3:20

Considering the mechanical factors of today, why couldn't a thumb print also be required on your ID card? It could also have a numerical ID on it.

By: AmyLiorate on 3/1/11 at 3:20

They can get my support as soon as they get their heads removed from their seats and stop shoving our military around to world for inept campaigns and foolish reasons.

Hell, after the pirates killed four of our citizens (over nothing but money mind you) the other day I think our military would be interested in Somalia action! No, instead they're talking about no fly zones in Libya.

The Libyans seem to be doing pretty well on their own, fly zone or not.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/af_libya

They're holding cities and troops are joining their side. That's the way it's supposed to work. If only their government didn't keep their right to resist tyranny oppressed, the citizens would be better armed and this could have happened years ago.

I hope they turn out better and free.

By: Captain Nemo on 3/1/11 at 3:24

The Biblical Mark
Clearly, there is only a short technological step to the 'mark' of Revelation, (see Implanted Humans). The Bible predicts electronic trading, although in some translations the ID appears to be on the individual rather than in the individual:

"And he causes all ... to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead ... and no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark. " ( Rev 13.16,17 )

By: yogiman on 3/1/11 at 3:25

nimrod,

Your 1:07 post makes me jealous. I wish I had the brilliance you seem to think you have. Darn, I could be a smart ass like you.

By: Captain Nemo on 3/1/11 at 3:27

The yellow badge (or yellow patch), also referred to as a Jewish badge, was a cloth patch that Jews were ordered to sew on their outer garments in order to mark them as Jews in public. It is intended to be a badge of shame associated with antisemitism.[1] In both Christian and Islamic countries, persons not of the dominant religion were intermittently compelled by sumptuary laws to wear badges, hats, bells or other items of clothing that distinguished them from members of the dominant religious group.

The yellow badge that was compulsory in the Middle Ages was revived by the German Nazis.