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Wednesday, March 30, 2011 at 9:05pm

 

Call Washington, D.C. [The hanging of the Confederate flag from the Shelby Street Pedestrian Bridge] is a case of domestic terrorism directed at black Americans. If a swastika were hung from that same bridge, the Anti-Defamation League would have a crew in town to report on the anti-Semitic incident. As long as it's just blacks being intimidated, no such terrorism reports will be filed. Intimidating blacks in the South is not really newsworthy. It happens every day.

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By: yogiman on 3/30/11 at 11:30

The Confederate flag is like all other flags used in the past of our nation They are all a part of history of the United States of America.

And to state blacks in the South are being intimidated every day is simply a scrupulous comment. I believe if you look consciously into it you will find every race is intimidated every day by members of other races.

By: Antisocialite on 3/31/11 at 2:19

yogiman said:
And to state blacks in the South are being intimidated every day is simply a scrupulous comment.

Agreed, although I doubt you meant what you typed there.

scrupulous - Diligent, thorough, and extremely attentive to details

By: HokeyPokey on 3/31/11 at 6:39

the guy in the yogi bear costume mostly doesn't quite understand what he's writing.

HP

By: gdiafante on 3/31/11 at 6:51

The Confederate flag represents oppression and treason. Nothing more.

By: dargent7 on 3/31/11 at 7:00

Good "post" Loner.
But, the Confederate flag is a part of history. We cannot re-write it and leave out the bad parts.
I do not see discrimination against Blacks, here in the south, as I did in Detroit.
I haven't seen one cross burned. The KKK has gone underground, from what I can tell.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 3/31/11 at 7:08

dargent, they just changed tactics is all.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 3/31/11 at 7:08

g, i couldn't agree more. it's unpatriotic to fly the confederate flag.

By: yogiman on 3/31/11 at 7:18

I meant what I said, fellows. When you intimidate someone, it is intentional; unless you are friends of different races joking with each other based on their race.

By: Captain Nemo on 3/31/11 at 7:28

Good morning

http://www.images-photography-pictures.net/arizona-monument-valley-2.jpg

By: Captain Nemo on 3/31/11 at 7:29

The Confederate is the flag of a former enemy of the United States of America. We don’t go waving the Union Jack which is a part of American history.

By: Captain Nemo on 3/31/11 at 7:37

By: yogiman on 3/31/11 at 7:18
I meant what I said, fellows. When you intimidate someone, it is intentional; unless you are friends of different races joking with each other based on their race.
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So hanging the Confederate flag from the Shelby Street Bridge was just a joke?

Yogi if you did not have Toe Jam for brains you would see just how silly you are.

By: yogiman on 3/31/11 at 7:37

You are right, HokeyPokey, and I thank God I didn't get a brain like yours so I don't have to think like you on all matters.

We all think as we do because of the brains we have, and thank God no two are alike. What would this world be like if we all thought like you all do as individuals?

The Confederate flag is part of the history of this nation. There isn't one thing you can to to change it into your currant line of thinking. You think it was wrong to have it, or even create it. Where was you living in those days, up North or down South? Was you a Caucasian or a Negro? You weren't even in your mother's wombs, nor had your fathers even had a though about having you... even if he did when you was born many years later.

So you think history should change it's self because you wasn't born then to give them your way of thinking?

By: Captain Nemo on 3/31/11 at 7:39

The KKK is hiding among the Tea Party.

By: HokeyPokey on 3/31/11 at 7:42

No, man in a Yogi Bear suit, I think you might have currants on the brain.

Or in your pocket next to your supply of extra apostrophes.

Aren't you due back out the the park stealing pick-a-nick baskets?

HP

By: yogiman on 3/31/11 at 7:43

dumba..,

Are you comparing me with what you see in the mirror? I hope not. I certainly don't want a brain only equal to yours.

By: dargent7 on 3/31/11 at 7:48

Yogi: I don't recall any drinking fountains in Detroit or here in the south that had signs: "Asians" for the tiny fountain, and the taller fountain said, "Whites".
Also, in Kresgee's counter, "Whites Only" and Blacks were relegated to the back table.
How about bus seating arrangements and Rosa Parks?

By: Captain Nemo on 3/31/11 at 7:52

There you go again, yogi. Trying to make an insult by calling me a dumba..,

The word dumba dot dot colon is not an insult. You must crawl out from your cave from under the bridge and see the sun light.

By: HokeyPokey on 3/31/11 at 7:59

I think the dumba... dumba... dumba... shells are being randomly expended. Can't even tell the target, at this point.

Might just be spitting currant seeds...

HP

By: Captain Nemo on 3/31/11 at 8:08

That will only confuse him HP

By: conservarage on 3/31/11 at 8:14

domestic terrorism? lol. rude, yes, terrorism, no.

By: Captain Nemo on 3/31/11 at 8:16

From yesterday

By: yogiman on 3/30/11 at 3:01
Well folks, when y'all get together this weekend, remember its a Sunday. No fighting should take place on Sunday. Especially in a public restaurant. You're supposed to just sit there and be polite and give everyone else the chance to speak (one at a time). Let them say at least two words before you interrupt.

And as you are wondering what they are going to look like when you go in, remember; beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. And be prepared for many disappointing surprises.
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It was only yogi that brings up violates at our proposed encounter and thinks that we will be disappointed at who will be at the gathering. I suppose that electrical brain currents do not flow through Toe Jam as easy as gray matter.

I don’t know what the others are expecting, but I am looking to meet the minds I have grown fun of over the pass few years.

By: Captain Nemo on 3/31/11 at 8:22

Spoken like a true Reb. It so just a little old confederate flag

By: gid on 3/31/11 at 8:42

Freedom of Speech. Granted the Bridge was not the place for it but if someone wants to put up a flag in their yard, or wear clothing with the Stars/Bars on it, it is their right.

By: dargent7 on 3/31/11 at 8:49

Freedom of Speech, like the Second Amendment, has been bastardized and mutated to inane levels.
The Founding Father's envisioned Glocks and Beretta's with 31 round clips? That's what they took into account?
Hanging a severed US soldier's heads and torsos from a bridge in Tikrit is, "freedom of speech"?
Flying 4 planes into buildings is, "Freedom of religion"?
The US Constitution and Bill of Rights are today, a diluted reminder of what they once were.

By: Captain Nemo on 3/31/11 at 8:53

Spot on Paul.

By: BigPapa on 3/31/11 at 8:57

Why was it up there? Was it a joke, or a group making a "statement."

By: Captain Nemo on 3/31/11 at 9:31

I suspect both BigPapa. It was a mean spirited statement/joke.

By: foxman on 3/31/11 at 9:38

KKK=Tea Party? You are an IDIOT!

By: Captain Nemo on 3/31/11 at 10:05

Great dialog there foxman, you must get your Kool-aid from Fox News.

By: Captain Nemo on 3/31/11 at 10:09

If foxboy could read, he would see that I never said KKK= Tea Party. I said they were hiding in the Tea Party.

By: AmyLiorate on 3/31/11 at 10:32

Domestic terrorism? Do I really think that any people were intimidated by a flag underneath a bridge?

Sure a symbol can be used to try intimidating people, and whoever put the flag up was trespassing, maybe a fool even, but a terrorist? Seriously, a terrorist?

On the statement about whether our founders could comprehend 30 round magazines, etc. Bold part for emphasis by me:

Alexander Hamilton speaking of standing armies in Federalist 29
"...but if circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude, that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people, while there is a large body of citizens, little if at all inferior to them in discipline and use of arms, who stand ready to defend their rights..."

So it stands to reason that some, if not all, founders believed the common citizen would be well armed and trained in the use of guns. That they would be "little if at all inferior" to me says the the people would be an even match for the army and it stands to reason that the people would be equally armed. We are not, few people have full auto on any type of gun.

I don't think the founders had a lack of vision that weapons would become more powerful, instead they seem to address things by understanding human nature and leaving the options open for free and virtuous people. Today we fear the little gun owners and not our government, although the government uses aggressive force on citizens every day.

http://reason.com/blog/2011/03/28/what-does-it-take-for-a-police

While larger weapons are difficult to obtain they don't seem to even have restricted ownership of them, a few people would buy a cannon with private money from time to time. They still do, mostly non-breach loading, anyone can get one for around $5,000 and you probably don't even need a license or background check.

Types of guns are not a problem. 500,000 Swiss homes contain military weapons. Anyone think Switzerland is a hot bed of wild west gunslingers? That is one military rifle for every ten Swiss aged 15-64. Or one for every five males of that age range.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nf1OgV449g

By: brrrrk on 3/31/11 at 10:40

Captain Nemo said

"The KKK is hiding among the Tea Party."

Hiding? That implies that you have to go out of your way to find it, doesn't it?

By: Captain Nemo on 3/31/11 at 10:41

Amy
in•tim•i•date ( n-t m -d t )
tr.v. in•tim•i•dat•ed, in•tim•i•dat•ing, in•tim•i•dates
1. To make timid; fill with fear.
2. To coerce or inhibit by or as if by threats.

ter•ror•ism
   ˈtɛr əˌrɪz əmShow Spelled[ter-uh-riz-uh m] Show IPA
–noun
1.
the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.
2.
the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3.
a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.

By: Captain Nemo on 3/31/11 at 10:41

LOL brrrrk

By: gid on 3/31/11 at 10:42

Dar-7

I didnt mentioned the 2nd Admenment. This pertains to a flag being displayed on a public bridge.
Free Speech should be broad in reach; without causing possible harm (yelling FIRE in a theatre for example)

A person has the right to their voices

By: brrrrk on 3/31/11 at 10:52

Antisocialite said

"yogiman said:
And to state blacks in the South are being intimidated every day is simply a scrupulous comment.

Agreed, although I doubt you meant what you typed there.

scrupulous - Diligent, thorough, and extremely attentive to details"

LOL.

Apparently our yogi is a graduate of the Sarah Palin school of Public Speaking; a program that requires you attend several different colleges and leave before finishing the program.

“Are we at war? I haven’t heard the president say that we are at war. And that’s why I too [don’t know] do we use the term intervention, do we use war, do we use squirmish?” - Sarah Palin

By: yogiman on 3/31/11 at 10:59

Amy,

Our founders passed our gun laws based on the grounds of the British Empire's dominating factor. Our government of today, and before, would love to remove our 2nd Amendment to take the people over, like the British Empire.

If, or when the communists take over our country, you can kiss your freedoms goodbye. And I personally believe that is Barack Obama's goal along with many other members of Congress. It can only be stopped by us, the people. And it will depend on how well they have educated the younger generations of our nation, including some of our currant posters.

By: Captain Nemo on 3/31/11 at 11:05

Show evidence of that yogi. If not then you are a liar.

By: yogiman on 3/31/11 at 11:08

OK children,

Let me rephrase that comment I made from "scrupulous comment" to 'a stupid ridiculous' comment. Does that meet your un-scrupulous mentalities okay?

By: yogiman on 3/31/11 at 11:14

Its simple, dumba..,

Simply look beyond your nose, if its short enough.

By: Captain Nemo on 3/31/11 at 11:22

That is no proof you Toe Jam brain goof. You are a liar.

By: Loner on 3/31/11 at 11:43

Good morning, Nashille....I'm a little late to the meeting; I had some pressing issues.

Well, I'm flattered to have my post elevated to this level. I did not expect that.

Yogi wrote: "The Confederate flag is like all other flags used in the past of our nation".

Sorry Yogi, that emblem is the banner of treasonous bigoted rebels, who took up arms against the United States of America. That same loathsome flag was used by post-war white terrorists, the KKK...... that was/is their logo; it is not, as you so glibly suggest, just another flag used in our nation's past. It is, in fact the flag of American white supremacy.

The Great Secession was the tragic result of irreconcilable differences over the African Negro slavery issue; check the Confederate Constitution...it's in there....the CSA was fighting to keep African Negro slavery forever legal and to make ownership of African negro slaves a constitutionally protected right.

The rebel flag is to American blacks as the Swastika is to Jewish people....that's not a perfect analogy, of course, but it is pretty damn close.

The Civil War is over....let it rest in peace. The blacks have paid their dues.... let the descendants of these African Negro slaves go and let them live in peace...they are our brothers and sisters.

Kum-By-Yah....Kum-By-Yah.

By: AmyLiorate on 3/31/11 at 11:43

Thanks for the spelling lesson Nemo, it's important to get the breakdown in syllables too.

I still haven't seen anyone come forth and say they were scared in the least by the flag underneath the bridge. I usually see it on a truck or two every week, hell it's even on a state issued license plate! Is our own DMV equipping terrorists with symbols of hate?

Is it not closed minded to declare that the flag has no other meaning but hate and fear? If we intimidate all the people who like the flag or other reasons, then are we not creating a self fulfilling prophecy? Aren't we free to wear Che Guevara t-shirts?

I like you just fine Nemo, but you do spout out a lot of names like troll and toe jam. Is than any example of intimidation? Certainly Yogi and Sid are thick skinned but non the less would you rather they not participate on here? What means could be used to pressure someone into leaving a forum online.

We have the freedom to hate, just not the freedom to harm. Even the ACLU stands by that and I believe the Supreme Court even upheld that with regard to the Westboro Church funeral group.

By: Loner on 3/31/11 at 11:58

Anti, I agree, this is NOT what most people would call an act of domestic terrorism....but, perhaps it ought to be. I tried to make the point that, if the banner was a swastika, not the stars & bars, the Jewish community might understandably consider this incident to be an act of domestic terrorism....the ADL's Abe Foxman might even fly out to Nashville, for a press conference on the race-based crime.

I believe that the relationship between Jews and the Swastika is reasonably analogous to the relationship between American Blacks and the Stars & Bars.

The event was newsworthy enough to make the NCP; but I didn't read where the NAACP is labeling this as an act of "domestic terror, by way of intimidation", or such. Maybe the black community is aware of the racist nature of this act, but do not wish to transform the culprits into folk heroes. I could understand that.

By: Loner on 3/31/11 at 12:17

Amy and I usually agree on major issues...minor ones too; but this is one time when I must respectfully argue the opposite position.

Amy wrote: I still haven't seen anyone come forth and say they were scared in the least by the flag underneath the bridge. I usually see it on a truck or two every week, hell it's even on a state issued license plate! Is our own DMV equipping terrorists with symbols of hate?

In rebuttal, let me say this: Folks don't normally express their fears openly. I think that it's a safe bet that this S&B incident is being discussed, in low tones, in the black community in the Nashville area. Ignoring the knuckleheads is a fairly logical strategy for dealing with this sort of thing.

The relative commonness of the Stars & Bars image in your area does not mean that it is irrelevant to my argument , or that the hurt and fear that the image instills is not real. Blacks are tolerating the free speech of Confederate sympathizers; that does not mean that they condone the message.

Yes, your own DMV is in fact equipping racists with symbols of hate....the bigots who order those "vanity plates" could very well become domestic terrorists.... down the road. I thought that the official application for an approval, for the Confederate flag plate, was denied. Shame on Tennessee!

By: Loner on 3/31/11 at 12:30

My vote for most humorous post:

By: HokeyPokey on 3/31/11 at 7:59

I think the dumba... dumba... dumba... shells are being randomly expended. Can't even tell the target, at this point.

Might just be spitting currant seeds...

HP

By: Captain Nemo on 3/31/11 at 12:36

Amy the spelling lesson was unintentional.

I guess that you have never been terrorized by men in white hoods caring a confederate flag while burning a cross at your home. Then you could understand what the flag represents.

As for the name calling, since you have not said anything about yogi’s condescending, arrogant and obnoxious comments, am I to think that you have a bias toward me?

By: AmyLiorate on 3/31/11 at 12:49

While I can't say that with some people, and in some situations, the flag could really bring fear to blacks, I think it's on display enough that the effect is very weak in general. I'll agree with your proposition that a nazi flag would have stirred up a lot more talk, but that flag has a more recent and much more vile past. That flag is rarely seen and maybe that is why it's got more impact... at least to me.

As far as things apply to racism that is open to debate but my old neighbor who was from Indiana really had some words to say about then candidate Obama... words that I don't use and certainly not a message that I agree with. Frankly I won't say what the flag means but I am tired of the Southern states taking all the heat for racism when, as our friend from Detroit pointed out, there is plenty of hate up North and unfortunately it's all over the place.

Bottom line, if someone wants to be a hater and they proudly wear some symbol on their shirt then so be it. I'd rather they be open about it, much like the sex offender map I can check to see if my neighborhood has any rapist or child molester hanging out. But also by being open about it the opportunity for discussion is there. Maybe you find out a lot more about someone. You can decide for yourself if they're a liar, maybe just a pure history buff or possibly just showing respect for a grand father who fought.

Or we can all be oblivious and just never talk with anyone who looks or acts differently than our own style and view... in my opinion that doesn't build a better society.

By: Captain Nemo on 3/31/11 at 1:10

Tell it to yogi, Amy.

By: AmyLiorate on 3/31/11 at 1:22

Ah Nemo, that would be a fallacy. My inaction does not show agreement nor disagreement. What goes on between you and Yogi is a little pot you both stir. I'm just pointing out intimidation in one place I see it.

I won't condone when others slam each other and I'm not promoting it either. I do chuckle from time to time at some of the banter. I'd really love to see just Nemo and Yogi hang out for a while. Maybe go fishing or something, surely you guys have something in common outside of politics.

I didn't mention today but Yogi surely throws an equal amount back you, as does Sid. But I think I've made it clear on this forum that I have a lot I disagree with Yogi on, even poked a little fun at him in my own creative way a time or two... but you and I agree on a fair share of topics. Others I might not agree on but that's just life. I try not to comment unless I think I have something to add to the conversation here, something that will get people thinking a bit more. Lately I've been working more and haven't had time to hang out on the NCP. Missed you all, hope to be online more in the future.

On your other point -
If you want to wear a hood to my house then I'd probably laugh my butt off at you. If you want to preach hate at my door I'd ask you if Jesus agrees with your reasoning. I assume that the hooded guys try to pass themselves off as christian (little "c" intentional for bigots) although certainly Christ was not Caucasian or Aryan or "white."

I don't care what flag you have if you come with a burning cross to my house you'll hear a shotgun as I'll assume you are trying to burn down my home. I encourage anyone else to do the same. Something about equality with regard to firearms ownership seems to keep the racists in check. ;)

When I see the klan rally on TV or in the news, I take comfort because they have about 20 people show up from under some rock and about 30 cops there to protect them. It really shows how insignificant they are. They don't seem to mind that some of the cops are black when the opposing crowd has them outnumbered 10:1.