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Monday, May 9, 2011 at 9:05pm

 

Federal, state, and local law already thoroughly cover making terrorism, threats of violence, harassment, etc., illegal.

[The legislative proposal to give state officials authority to decide which individuals or organizations constitute a domestic terrorist entity] is yet another example of the state Republicans whipping up xenophobic sentiments among their close-minded fundamentalist base to ensure that they have their full support when it comes to their real agenda: lining their fatcat pockets.

If this bill does what it purports, it is useless, redundant and a waste of legislative effort when so many people are out of work and we could be focusing on our economy.

That's the optimistic view.

More likely is that this bill does cover new ground that other law doesn't already cover: persecution of anyone "not like us," removal of due process and First Amendment protections, and institutionalizing the narrow-minded hate of right-wing Christians.

We've come a long way since the Founding Fathers separated matters of religion from matters of government. Every day I read this paper, I find some new way in which Tennessee is indeed "leading" the nation into miserable decades we'll apologize to our grandchildren for.

Posted by "nash615"

 

129 Comments on this post:

By: Loner on 5/10/11 at 5:36

Good morning, Nashville!

The "limited government" Tea Party Republicans of Tennessee are at it again; they're attempting to create more fear and loathing while expanding the size, scope and authority of governmental power...exactly the opposite of what they claim to be all about.

The irony here is that TN state lawmakers feel perfectly authorized to expand federal minimum standards of compliance re; the Patriot Act, yet , these same jokers object to local governments expanding minimum standards of compliance in the areas of civil and human rights.

The Tea Baggers are predictable: If a proposed law limits personal freedom and liberty, the Tea party is in favor of it; if it expands personal liberties and freedom, they are dead set against it.

Apparently Jesus of Nazareth, the Republican Tea Party's, Jewish, man-God idol was also in favor of limiting human freedom, not expanding it. Either that, or these "Christians" are actually heretics.

HOLY WARS SUCK.

By: Loner on 5/10/11 at 6:10

Will the KKK be designated as a "domestic terrorist entity", or have they been "grandfathered in"?

Will David Fowler's FACT group be designated as a "domestic terrorist entity"? They certainly strike fear into the hearts of secular democrats and other societal "misfits".

Maybe the State legislature ought to define itself as, a "domestic terrorist entity".

By: Loner on 5/10/11 at 6:19

If Tennessee had a "domestic terrorist entity" law on the books in the 1960's, Martin Luther King would have been locked up, along with the Freedom Riders and their enablers.

Do most Tennesseans really want a law like this on the books, or is this simply Republican Tea Party grandstanding and more shameless pandering to its bigoted base?

By: Blanketnazi2 on 5/10/11 at 6:23

Loner, unfortunately I'd bet most Tennesseans want it.

By: dargent7 on 5/10/11 at 6:26

Preds blew it last night. Couldn't score 1 more measely goal? At home?
My grandmother could of gotten at least an assist.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 5/10/11 at 6:26

lol

By: house_of_pain on 5/10/11 at 6:29

smh

By: gdiafante on 5/10/11 at 6:57

The better team won, darge. They did win the President's trophy for a reason. But you can sum the entire game down to the bad 40 something seconds in the first when they gave up two goals.

Oh well, I'm used to being disappointed...I do live in Tennessee...

By: Captain Nemo on 5/10/11 at 7:03

I wonder if the Tea Party and the splitter group Birthers will be considered a terrorist organization?

By: Blanketnazi2 on 5/10/11 at 7:03

good morning, folks! it's humid already.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 5/10/11 at 7:04

Family First should be.

By: dargent7 on 5/10/11 at 7:16

gD: Maybe I should of served all those Double Jack 'n Cokes and Double Gin 'n T's to the Preds bench.

By: budlight on 5/10/11 at 7:39

G said "Oh well, I'm used to being disappointed...I do live in Tennessee..."

And G, who is forcing you to live here? You must like it or why else would you be here?

"institutionalizing the narrow-minded hate of right-wing Christians." This is so untrue. Christians do not hate; they love.

By: Captain Nemo on 5/10/11 at 7:45

You sure are a shining example of Christian love bud. If someone dose not believe the way you call them hater of Christian.

By: Loner on 5/10/11 at 7:46

Right now, here, it's 54 F with 54% relative humidity...clear and crisp...winds are calm.
It's been a cool and wet Spring...lawns are super lush, most hardwoods have broken dormancy and have leafed out. The fruit trees are fragrantly blossoming, it makes for a sweeter, more sensual motorcycle ride.

They're catching big carp in the widewaters, the neighbor kid caught a 12-pounder yesterday...on canned corn "bait".

By: HenryB on 5/10/11 at 7:48

Wake up and smell the draft, Bud. So few churches today even come close to approaching Christ's definitition of love. None that I know of in Middle Tennessee. I stopped attending the Presbyterian church where I'm a member because of the bigoted, racist and hateful practices of its clergy and members. When the Muslims first proposed their new house of worship here in Murfreesboro, the pastor of the largest church in town and the pastor of the massive First United Methodist Church both spoke out against it and were quoted in the local paper. Combine those two churches, and it would be one of if not the largest church in the state.

By: girliegirl on 5/10/11 at 7:48

Nash615, please take note of the Christians who are now being slaughtered in Egypt. That's not exactly "a good thing"

By: girliegirl on 5/10/11 at 7:49

George Clooney would like to point out that this is happening to Christians in the Sudan, and has been for years and years. I'd guess the Christians have had enough, don't you think?

By: gdiafante on 5/10/11 at 7:51

I didn't realize the 1st amendment applied to foreign countries...

By: Captain Nemo on 5/10/11 at 7:55

Now girliegirl has her excuse to justify her hatred for Muslims.

By: BenDover on 5/10/11 at 8:20

"the narrow-minded hate of right-wing Christians" translation, "I see racist people"...

People are right to point out that the advance of Islam in America is as much a political movement as it is a religious movement. Our brothers in Western Europe are learning well that the liberal ideology of unchecked multi-culturalism is disastrous to western society because as these minorities quickly reach democratic majority by out-breeding western culture we find their fundamental societal structure is inconsistent with western liberty.

So go ahead and knee-jerk your chin black and blue about 'narrow-minded hate of right-wing Christians'... kill this canary in the mine and revel in your righteousness. You've seen nothing yet of the intolerant hate your ignorance invites.

By: revo-lou on 5/10/11 at 8:27

Where Ben, in the Constitution, does it say that we can do that? Where does it say that we get to pick the people that we want to let live in this country? Where does it say that, other than following the laws, and basing those laws off the document itself, does it say that there will be some that CANNOT live in this country?

By: gdiafante on 5/10/11 at 8:27

So what you're saying, Ben, is that in order to ensure religious freedom for Christians, we need to restrict religious freedom.

As Loner says, holy wars suck.

By: BenDover on 5/10/11 at 8:34

We've always had the ability to restrict immigration based on social and cultural norms, revo. Not doing that is a very recent thing in this country's development.

By: yogiman on 5/10/11 at 8:38

Lo and behold! It looks like the "government" has been "investigating" Obama's citizenship status. Wonder why they have kept it as a secret? Wonder what they will find out.

I gather the main question is; did he become an Indonesian citizen through the adoption of his stepfather Lolo Soetoro. Is that how he was given the name Barry Soetoro?

By: revo-lou on 5/10/11 at 8:41

Really Ben, please show me where in our laws (other than when we rounded up the Japanese and the American Indians, wink, wink) we can limit a social or cultural group.

By: Captain Nemo on 5/10/11 at 8:43

Theology is never any help; it is searching in a dark cellar at midnight for a black cat that isn't there. [Robert A. Heinlein, JOB: A Comedy of Justice]

By: Captain Nemo on 5/10/11 at 8:44

Anyone who can worship a trinity and insist that his religion is a monotheism can believe anything... just give him time to rationalize it. [Robert A. Heinlein, JOB: A Comedy of Justice]

By: Captain Nemo on 5/10/11 at 8:46

There is an old, old story about a theologian who was asked to reconcile the Doctrine of Divine Mercy with the doctrine of infant damnation. 'The Almighty,' he explained, 'finds it necessary to do things in His official and public capacity which in His private and personal capacity He deplores. [Robert A. Heinlein (1907 - 1988) Methuselah's Children]

By: Captain Nemo on 5/10/11 at 8:47

God split himself into a myriad parts that he might have friends. This may not be true, but it sounds good, and is no sillier than any other theology. [Lazarus Long, _Time Enough for Love_ by Robert Heinlein]

By: BenDover on 5/10/11 at 8:49

Islam is a political movement. If we don't recognize that we're in big trouble. Even the liberal leaders in Western Europe all now agree that unchecked multi-culturalism that invited people into their countries and allowed them to isolate into enclaves and not homogenize with the prevailing cultural norms was a huge mistake.

Does the citizenship test in America still require the pledge? (it doesn't matter if it does, I guess, because lying to advance the world-wide caliphate is a tenant of radical Islam).

You people believe you are so smart and superior by being oh so tolerant of everything but the cultural norms in this country. Here's a little clue people. Sometimes the cultural norms are right. There's a reason they became cultural norms in the first place. Applying critical theory to everything for the sake of critical theory alone without analyzing whether the result of destroying 'what is' in favor of 'something else' is positive or not is simply ludicrous.

Your bearded Marxist professors were wrong... America is a great country and we need to tell that legacy of the Frankfurt school, those who came to this country, took over the universities and taught the boomer generation to abhor everything good and exaggerate everything bad about America... we need to just tell them to go pound effin' sand.

that is all

By: revo-lou on 5/10/11 at 8:54

{Your bearded Marxist professors were wrong... }

That is not what SHE said.

By: revo-lou on 5/10/11 at 9:00

Ironically, Ben, I see your concern and agree with you to a degree, in that what and who we are is what made this country great. But, what also made this country great is that we COULD become who we are. How do you decide that that must stop now? Our Constitution is setup for people to live their lives freely with regards to their ideals, as long as those ideals do not squelch the ideals of others. If our Constitution is not strong enough to “protect” your ideas from those of Islam, or any other belief/culture/people then, really, what good is it?

By: Captain Nemo on 5/10/11 at 9:01

First came science, then cam religion and then cames politics. All religions become a political movements.

By: gdiafante on 5/10/11 at 9:06

The basic belief that freedom exists for all unless it restricts the freedom of others is bunk, according to Ben.

Didn't Southerns present this argument in the 1850's to promote the spread of slavery to new territories?

By: Captain Nemo on 5/10/11 at 9:06

Ben see other religion as a political movement, yet he forgets the politics of Catholicism.

By: yogiman on 5/10/11 at 9:08

budlight,

I, maybe as a loner of this group, recognize your beliefs in your religion, but why do you think the fields of different beliefs are changing so much today?

Did you read those 45 issues given by the Communist regime in 1963? In many ways they are using "preachers" to convince people religion is not a true belief in God.

I just read where a "preacher" claimed to be a Navy SEAL right after the bin Laden issue, which he isn't. There has been others to make such false claims in other fields of activity. (Fact: very few former SEALS have claimed to have been SEALS even after their time in service)

I have read, many times, where "preachers" claim to be something good which has been proven they weren't. I have read several times where "preachers" pull criminal acts, including rapes (believers in God?). To convince the people they are here to deliver God's word?

Which is why I believe you must have your own beliefs. You shouldn't need someone to convince you how you should follow your (their) beliefs.

By: Captain Nemo on 5/10/11 at 9:09

Whores perform the same function as priests, but far more thoroughly. [Robert Heinlein]

By: Captain Nemo on 5/10/11 at 9:11

(Religous) Faith strikes me as intellectual laziness. [Jubal Hershaw, from Stranger in a Strange Land, by Robert Heinlein]

By: Captain Nemo on 5/10/11 at 9:14

When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, 'This you may not read, this you may not see, this you are forbidden to know,' the end result is tyranny and oppression, no matter how holy the motives. Mighty little force is needed to control a man whose mind has been hoodwinked; contrariwise, no amount of force can control a free man, a man whose mind is free. No, not the rack, not fission bombs, not anything--you can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him. [Robert Heinlein]

By: Loner on 5/10/11 at 9:20

Ben Dover is all for homogenization, we can't call him a homophobe anymore...Ben wrote: "Even the liberal leaders in Western Europe all now agree that unchecked multi-culturalism that invited people into their countries and allowed them to isolate into enclaves and not homogenize with the prevailing cultural norms was a huge mistake."

Another double standard from the standardized right-wingers?

It's not OK, if Muslims do not wish to "homogenize" into the prevailing culture; but it is OK, for Judeo-Christian fundamentalists to resist "homogenization".

The Quakers. the Menonites, the Amish etc. are free to resist this assimilation....as were the Branch Davidians etc., but Muslims are forbidden from doing so?

It's OK for American Jews to resist "homogenization" into our culture and settle into "enclaves" in the US and in the Holy Land, but Muslims should arouse suspicion, when they do likewise?

No, this outrageous double standard for Muslims is both un-American and illogical.

Fear-based Muslim-bashing will only drive Muslim Americans into increased Islamic fundamentalism; tolerance, on the other hand, may lead these Islamic Americans to modernization and reformation, in my view.

By: slacker on 5/10/11 at 9:21

Ron Hubbard stole a lot of my crap.
-Bob Heinlein

By: Captain Nemo on 5/10/11 at 9:21

The nice thing about citing god as an authority is that you can prove anything you set out to prove. [Robert A. Heinlein, from If This Goes On-]

By: Captain Nemo on 5/10/11 at 9:24

I can go now. Loner is here to take up the cause. see you later.

By: dargent7 on 5/10/11 at 9:29

"You people"...Isn't that how Ross Perot addressed jews and blacks when he totally failed at his 'run" for the presidency?
And Trump said, "my relationship with "the blacks"...
Another ignorant, subconscious rascist belief system at work, alive and well in America.

By: dargent7 on 5/10/11 at 9:37

"Christians do not hate, they love..."
Is there any more a complete erroneous statement available on the planet?
It's identicle to the jihadist statement that, "Al'lah has commanded us to do these deeds, all in the name of Al'lah, all for him..."
....to show our "love" of Al'lah, let's blow ourselves up, killing everyone within a one block radius.
Christians in the south don't own the Bible nor have a leg up on it from my experience.

By: Loner on 5/10/11 at 9:42

Carry on, Captain, Nemo...may your ion trail illuminate the cosmos, for light years to come!

From the Republican Hall of Shame:

Source;
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/14/AR2006081400589.html

Snippet:

At a campaign rally in southwest Virginia on Friday, (US Senator) Allen repeatedly called a volunteer for Democrat James Webb "macaca." During the speech in Breaks, near the Kentucky border, Allen began by saying that he was "going to run this campaign on positive, constructive ideas" and then pointed at S.R. Sidarth in the crowd.

"This fellow here, over here with the yellow shirt, macaca, or whatever his name is. He's with my opponent. He's following us around everywhere. And it's just great," Allen said, as his supporters began to laugh. After saying that Webb was raising money in California with a "bunch of Hollywood movie moguls," Allen said, "Let's give a welcome to macaca, here. Welcome to America and the real world of Virginia." Allen then began talking about the "war on terror." {End of snippet.}

By: house_of_pain on 5/10/11 at 9:52

"If you ever crawl inside an old hollow log and go to sleep, and while you're in there some guys come and seal up both ends and then put it on a truck and take it to another city, boy, I don't know what to tell you."

- Jack Handey

By: Loner on 5/10/11 at 10:02

Are the NCP Misfits, a "domestic terrorist entity"?

By: brrrrk on 5/10/11 at 10:14

For those who think the Ryan plan is "da bomb" consider this.... I heard this morning that the average 52 year old person (that's when this whole medicare voucher thing would kick in under the Ryan plan) would have to have an additional $108,000 in their 401k (if that's your retirement plan) to cover the additional cost not covered by your voucher. Now, there's change you can believe in.....